NOC Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Mafia - Explorers - Game Thread (Game Over!)

Celever said:
I didn’t remember the only line where you actually scumread me in amidst all of your other posts where you were fence sitting, shoot me
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dawg, we had an extended conversation about why i scumread you after i wrote it, if you expect me to believe you forgot then i don't know what to say:

Celever said:
why
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Shane the Shroomish said:
i thought about how your reads have developed and the threadstate stuff you're posting and i don't really believe it's game solving, it just feels like pushing for certain outcomes
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Celever said:
ok well why do you feel that way because it def is game solving let's talk
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Shane the Shroomish said:
even the genisu stuff at the start felt a bit premature and overly predictive to the point i wondered if you were informed

you saying there's a wolf fanning the flames among your detractors just feels like discred as earlier stated, and i'm independently townreading two of the three people you're throwing that at independently so it just hasn't sat well with me the entire time, i think their initial reasoning for pushing on you for the laurel vote was a little ridiculous but your response and how you set up this dynamic you're seeing just felt baldly manipulative, i didn't get the sense people were being overly meldy at any point in this game

you being on jalmont for, in ur eyes, fanning the flames, doesn't make sense to me because he isn't even voting today or trying to influence the game whatsoever, he just made a bunch of naked votes and then posted reads, which should give you some cognitive dissonance w/r/t the framework ur providing here, if you think he's trying to twist sentiment against innocent players by latching onto other people's reads why isn't he wagoning with them

i just don't buy any of it
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Celever said:
I suppose the issue that it seems like you won't overcome is that you think I'm against these people just because they're against me. I'm not, I was doing analysis anyway and it happens to be about a group that has been pushing me. But they've also increasingly pushed me the more I've gone for them, and not the other way round really. Clouds entered thread a couple hours ago while you were gone and dropped a vote on me, after all, so I think you're reading this completely backwards.

yeah the naked votes aren't a part of it, JALMONT hopped into the group during the pulsar situation and then during the final burstposts of walls where he positioned himself favourably to have influence going into D2. Wagoning players harms that positioning, because if he's on the majority wagon that's on town then people will be less willing to listen to him tomorrow. He spent most of the day starting wagons to see what would take off anyway, but then ultimately decided to not push anyone (except priming the two lowest hanging fruits in the game at the time as possible votes).
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Celever said:
You skirted around every rebuttal I made. If it’s not dialling back then it is, once again, you refusing to entertain anything other than the idea that I’m scum. Which you’re wrong about and blatantly isn’t towny behaviour.

Most specifically the fact that instead of going “oh he just made a scum pool which is also what everyone else I’ve ever played with does because that’s how you play mafia” you went “well people can play in lots of ways!! ”
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i don't play that way by making "pools" and know plenty of people who also don't so your point is invalid, if you want to say the way i play isn't how i should solve as town that's not an argument i'm interested in having
 
Shane said:
shrug
no vote seems to be his thing in other games too based on some comments in this one (correct me if i'm wrong)

i thought his readslist was uninspiring, sure, which is why i'd like him to be the cw to you, but i'm not really confident he's a wolf and if he isn't i think you have some serious image problems here
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Celever said:
Bluedoom was voting me for most of D2 and I think I’m the only person JALMONT’s voted for twice this game, tbf

Talking about my image if the JALMONT push is wrong is hardcore scum priming lol. People can be wrong. Clouds is my preferred vote within the trio anyway, which I’ve said.
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Tbf you cut that conversation off right before it was clear that I didn’t think you were actually scumreading me, mainly with this priming comment
 
Shane the Shroomish said:
i don't play that way by making "pools" and know plenty of people who also don't so your point is invalid, if you want to say the way i play isn't how i should solve as town that's not an argument i'm interested in having
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No my point is that you’re scumreading me because I made pools

I don’t believe I’m the first town player you’ve seen solve by making pools and theories
 
Shane the Shroomish said:
i don't really buy this, nothing about it implies that i don't think you're a wolf

why do you think i tried to counterwagon you at the end of the day
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Because you already locked yourself out of voting pulsar and wanted to protect JALMONT, and I was a widely scumread player besides him

Which can happen whether JALMONT is actually your buddy or not, because you probably perceived JALMONT as easier to vote out on another day than I would be.
 
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Shane the Shroomish said:
if ur going to boil my read on you down to the fact that you made "pools" i don't want to talk about this anymore, you're just not being truthful
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It is quite literally your point that I made a pool with scum in it and so I’m scum. You’ve added on that that was to destroy the influence of the players in that pool which is nonsense, but it is literally your argument.
 
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