NOC Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Mafia - Explorers - Game Thread (Game Over!)

Laurel said:
have i once in my life tried to deepwolf as mafia? i think ur either tripping or ur scared of more gifts, which one is it?
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to answer your first question, yes, you tried to do it last time you were mafia as i discussed

what was your main basis for wanting the claim outted?
 
Celever said:
so you're saying that you don't think me and a fairy are scum together (to a negative extent? like you think we're likely S/T?) but a fairy convinced you with her saying I came off scummier just because of her vague assertations about her finding my argumentation scummy... but also that a fairy is scum elsewhere in the reads? This is genuine confusion ftr I'd like to learn more about where you're at.

If he got blocked he should reveal that he got blocked, 1000% he should do that. He's already claimed an active role so claiming he got blocked reveals legitimately 0 information to the mafia, since if a town roleblocker blocked him that's slightly asinine. So I don't think him getting blocked is a remote possibility, really.

I do think he probably lied about being vig. I think that lying about being vig just to survive a vote falls under the vote all liars policy that's prolific within mafia. He's leaving it vague so as to not fall under that policy vote which might be worse. So yeah I agree with your scumread on JALMONT.

Could you provide examples of him not making sense (don't bother to go back and quote, just paraphrase your memory of it)

There's a different way to read newer players than more experienced players, for sure. I guess it's fine if you're not comfortable with both information models yet, but I don't think that being new (or young) is actually a reason not to vote someone out. The case just needs to be catered to a newbie mindset.
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I'm not going to bother separating the quotes.

- I think A fairy has higher chances of being scum but you two can be a team. Like it can be that she (s) used a t/t (you and shane) interaction to fuel her interests and create further division within town. It can also be that she kind of wanted to save you (team) to make you look relatively better or shane worse. I find her comment about you looking better than shane weird because I didn't share it at all. Also her general passiveness except for when the massclaim discussion with m2h, she could have used duskfull to make herself look better and make m2h look bad. I don't know I'm not 100% sure of anything but this slot is the one that gives me the most scum vibes.

- Then you suggest that jalmont is lying or he is scum? Is vig that good of a role that it can be worth lying for in that situation?

- The early claim doesn't make sense from a town perspective honestly, I can buy that he didn't know ... I honestly did in the past. The current problem is that it's half of d2 and I don't remember almost anything from him, unless he is extremely busy why would town play like that? He is my shakiest sr but still if it pressures him to talk then I'm fine.

- Fair point, Genisu is kind of an enigma right now for me but not high priority. It may be for future alice to solve.
 
just feels to me like your main two contributiuons to the thread now, and most of what you talked about being those two things, are attempts to get cleared in a derpy way

talking abot d1 flavour claim, into the clouds stuff, like you gave clouds a bpv cool, but then you push him to the point of outting (he is for sure to blame too but you did kind of pester the situation), it feels like your intention there was less "get clouds a bpv so he doesnt die" and more concern was with you getting a townread for it, like you even started pushing clouds and calling him potential scum, after being confident enough in the tr to give him a bpv?
 
Duskfall98 said:
just feels to me like your main two contributiuons to the thread now, and most of what you talked about being those two things, are attempts to get cleared in a derpy way

talking abot d1 flavour claim, into the clouds stuff, like you gave clouds a bpv cool, but then you push him to the point of outting (he is for sure to blame too but you did kind of pester the situation), it feels like your intention there was less "get clouds a bpv so he doesnt die" and more concern was with you getting a townread for it, like you even started pushing clouds and calling him potential scum, after being confident enough in the tr to give him a bpv?
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tbf he only softed the bpv claim, clouds revealed it & clouds was pushing him prior yea? At least laurel has gotten pushed quite a bit.
 
ill think about it more tomorrow ig, just feels like laurel is in his try to get cleared game to me rather than his try to vote mafia game more than anything, even with his push on me his biggest concern seems to be if i townread him or not, not anything else ive done in the game
 
Clouds revealing it is much worse to me than how laurel gave it. And I might need to reread but I doubt this is s/s (though clouds is a strange pick for bpv fmpov anyways). Clouds revealing the vest reads like some mix of 1.) wanting cred / not wanting to seem like he's hiding something 2.) have an excuse to not die -- he's already done weird nk spec e.g., when he was expecting me as the likely kill in a jalmont m world and not himself?? (At least how I read it). 3.) Have a good reason to tr laurel which reads as s/s to take heat off of a partner or a pocket attempt.
 
Alice Kazumi said:
Like a big gun?
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Don't wanna spec on this too much (wouldn't want the Mafia to try to shoot him, haha jk... unless?), but yeah a gun or maybe a one shot cop or something like that. Only reason I can see for why you'd claim a bpv outside of just wanting cred or a reason to be surviving at endgame as a mostly trd player or not wanting to lie (I've been that person, I'm very impulsive tbh). But yeah the best is useless when claimed and now clouds likely gets brought to lylo which could be good or bad. Who knows.
 
StupidFlandrs48 said:
This possibility is interesting actually. And worrying.
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It would be a pro-town move, not worrying. And in that world the fact that clouds initiated the play and laurel didn't call it out would both be towny moves. In a s / s laurel clouds world, this likely doesn't happen anyways. And this is all just speculation on why t!clouds could have felt the need to claim a vest.
 
M2H said:
It would be a pro-town move, not worrying. And in that world the fact that clouds initiated the play and laurel didn't call it out would both be towny moves. In a s / s laurel clouds world, this likely doesn't happen anyways. And this is all just speculation on why t!clouds could have felt the need to claim a vest.
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I still don't like this, if Laurel can give 1-shot KP then we're playing with fire here. Probably best to block clouds tonight just in case
 
Duskfall98 said:
just feels to me like your main two contributiuons to the thread now, and most of what you talked about being those two things, are attempts to get cleared in a derpy way

talking abot d1 flavour claim, into the clouds stuff, like you gave clouds a bpv cool, but then you push him to the point of outting (he is for sure to blame too but you did kind of pester the situation), it feels like your intention there was less "get clouds a bpv so he doesnt die" and more concern was with you getting a townread for it, like you even started pushing clouds and calling him potential scum, after being confident enough in the tr to give him a bpv?
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If you’re in my shoes and you give someone a BPV and they are aloof / deny it would you not FOS them?

my main contribution to the thread has been these two things because u choose to question it and i had a wedding day 1? not sure what more u want from me, bluedoom said he agreed with my read on the game state.

i feel like there are better options for you to be focusing on

i feel like you think im more calculated with my decision making process than i actually am (i guess i take that as a compliment but its not my intention to try hard

Can you vote celever with us? He isnt even defending himself lol
 
Duskfall98 said:
ill think about it more tomorrow ig, just feels like laurel is in his try to get cleared game to me rather than his try to vote mafia game more than anything, even with his push on me his biggest concern seems to be if i townread him or not, not anything else ive done in the game
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Ok i think you are skimming some of my content still i barely pushed u and have been pushing celever
 
Duskfall98 said:
just feels to me like your main two contributiuons to the thread now, and most of what you talked about being those two things, are attempts to get cleared in a derpy way

talking abot d1 flavour claim, into the clouds stuff, like you gave clouds a bpv cool, but then you push him to the point of outting (he is for sure to blame too but you did kind of pester the situation), it feels like your intention there was less "get clouds a bpv so he doesnt die" and more concern was with you getting a townread for it, like you even started pushing clouds and calling him potential scum, after being confident enough in the tr to give him a bpv?
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Kecleon the inventor is a pretty obvious town role based on flavor, I think you can see why I would do both things

ive also made myself very clear that my intention was not to clear myself to the game and only to clear myself to clouds as he lightly suspected me yesterday and i townread him

why would i put myself in a position of danger for what? As jalmon said i had no pressure. i thought it was a funny way to soft an item (also its low key part of the reason I gave him the vest cuz i wanted to soft it that way)
 
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