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    Serious Catalonia's independence

    No, you can't explain what the other side thinks effectively. You will never be a good spokesperson for people you disagree with, the same as they wouldn't be for you, and you will never lay out their arguments properly. All your involvement in politics tells me is that you couldn't be more...
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    Serious Catalonia's independence

    This thread is annoyingly one-sided with roughly no one to defend one of the options that's up to debate. If one hasn't by now, I do not expect a pro-independence Catalan person to suddenly appear to even the playing field and no, dsm77773, I don't think you're committed enough to count as one...
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    Hey thank you! It's been a few years and... I must admit I do not recognize many people so I'm...

    Hey thank you! It's been a few years and... I must admit I do not recognize many people so I'm glad to see some familiar names. :) I want to say you've grown into a very intelligent and articulate woman but you were already quite so before I faded away from what I remember. Keep it up!
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    Serious Catalonia's independence

    Or just recover the taxes sent to the central government. Just as before, you use them to pay for infrastructure and the army which you so much care about. It isn't new spendings for Catalans; they already pay for all of that. As for Spain "lending money" to Catalonia, where do you figure this...
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    Serious Catalonia's independence

    Or perhaps they simply do not disregard that the Catalan people also pay taxes to that central government which in turn is used for things like defense and infrastructure. You talk as if the Catalan folks didn't pay for these things. :[ What, really? I don't know. Perhaps the answer has to do...
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    Serious Catalonia's independence

    Unless I am mistaken, Switzerland decentralizes a whole lot to it's cantons. If Spain allowed for the same, there probably wouldn't be an independence movement in Catalonia. It also probably helps that the German Swiss aren't that much more numerous than French Swiss (and then Italian Swiss)...
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    Serious Catalonia's independence

    Something like Scotland's "unionists" would be much better.
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    Serious Catalonia's independence

    Is there really just not a proper term for "not-pro-independence people"?
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    Serious Catalonia's independence

    In the end, what really matters is how they feel. As opposed to how you feel. If Catalans is what they identify themselves as primarly then it happens to be what they are. That Catalonia has never been a country before really shouldn't matter. And a different language is actually a pretty...
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    Serious Catalonia's independence

    I very much doubt their sole motivation for "looking different", which you seem to describe as fabrication (a fake language, a fake identity), is in order to get money. I feel your posts are getting a bit ugly.
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    Serious Catalonia's independence

    The primary reason is generally one of language and culture, I'd assume, which your goals seems to be to belittle. Then comes economical reasoning or at least economical framing. And the US did secede from Britain mainly because of economical reasons so yes, you have seen that happen in your...
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    Serious Catalonia's independence

    Speaking of that: https://www.google.ca/search?q=football+barcelona+is+not+spain&rlz=1C2VEAD_enCA408&biw=1280&bih=899&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI_5mC3depyAIViF4eCh2O2Qxs
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    Serious Catalonia's independence

    At least that's a more sensible fear than "oh no, our football club won't be able to play in the Spanish league".
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    Serious Catalonia's independence

    Catalonia already owns euros. There is no need to buy euros with euros as their entire worth is already calculated in this currency. Montenegro dealt in euros even before being accepted into the eurozone. It is unfortunate that they would hold no control over the currency and couldn't themselves...
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    Serious Catalonia's independence

    What exactly can stop Catalonia from using the euro? Threats of economical embargo by a eurozone pressured by Spain? Currencies are part of a completely liberalized market to my knowledge and foreign countries that use the US dollar for example I don't believe ever had to bother asking the...
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