Metagame SV UU Metagame Discussion - The Indigo Disk

:Oricorio-Pom-Pom: - Stole a team from Cherry on Discord (IDK who they are on the forums) and this mon can be kinda fun, though I feel the team we built may need some more tweeks. Its basically like a blend of Volcarona and Zapdos with way shittier stats.... so not like them at all. Still the typing is great, gives it a lot of resistances to the priority in the tier + giving it many oppurtunities to setup QD. Like its OU friends that got banned because of DD / QD + Recovery, you can kinda do the same and just snowball out of control. I think investing bulk on this mon is a smart idea to better live all the priority in the tier from mons like Scizor, Lokix, etc. and start goobing. We are running 152 HP EVs to live adamant band Lokix Fimp (doesn't survive Tera Bug tho). The one shortcoming is that Hurricane is a garbage attack on a mon like this since you want it to be hitting its moves when going for the big sweep. I could see this Pokemon either becoming the next big HO cheeser or possible suspect target (nah..... but maybe?) if better players expirement with it more. Heck, I could see it finding a place on more standard teams just as a Volcarona-esque wincon.
 
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hey, i'm someone who mostly plays ru and doesn't know the meta for uu all that well. saw slither wing was predicted to rise from ru to uu and i'm curious what its use is in the uu meta? i don't figure it's a better fimp user than lokix or something, is it really just the unique coverage it has that's giving it a niche? with meow being banned i don't figure it WILL come up here, but it doesn't hurt to ask either.

oh and PLEASE give ru metagross, i'm begging you people :psycry:
we need another steel type not weak to gapdos that isn't fake like bronzong or has mid bulk like jirachi, free me from this bird hell
 
hey, i'm someone who mostly plays ru and doesn't know the meta for uu all that well. saw slither wing was predicted to rise from ru to uu and i'm curious what its use is in the uu meta? i don't figure it's a better fimp user than lokix or something, is it really just the unique coverage it has that's giving it a niche? with meow being banned i don't figure it WILL come up here, but it doesn't hurt to ask either.

oh and PLEASE give ru metagross, i'm begging you people :psycry:
we need another steel type not weak to gapdos that isn't fake like bronzong or has mid bulk like jirachi, free me from this bird hell
Answering your question:

Slither wing doesn't use first impression in this tier so there is no competition with lokix

Slither Wing @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Bulk Up
- Leech Life
- Earthquake
- Flame Charge

This build allows him to beat dirge or at least force his terastal and can also beat skarmory without Whirlwind

It is certainly one of the fundamental pieces for most current HOs, its power to force the opponent's terastal and to be able to deal with the two Pokémon that I mentioned above is highly valued

This is the most powerful (and only) set used, it is definitely one of the best sweepers in the tier currently

About metagross: It will probably dropped, nobody uses it anymore
 
With meow gone, i think we should look at another problematic grass type in the tier: cornerpon. Cornerpon is one of the hardest pokemon to prepare for on balance/bo archetypes; coba gets ohko'd by +2 superpower, skarm almost always gets ohko'd by +2 tera cudgel after rocks. The easiest reliable switch-in to fit in my experience is metagross, which alr isn't that splashable (and doesn't like getting knocked). After that, we have chesnaught, which, while not terrible into other mons in the tier, isn't easy to fit at all. Defensively, cornerpon doesn't function like apple or zarude, and is quite difficult to build with as well as position vs some teams. However, this doesn't change the fact that it's a ridiculous breaker. imo, getting rid of cornerpon won't have too big an impact on the tier; it just makes balance a little easier to use, which is why i'd be in favor of a ban
 
It's my Birthday! And with it, July Shifts are here!

:pmd/tinkaton: - THE GOAT IS BACK. Tink's place in the tier was pretty debated when it left, but after leaving it was VERY clear that it had a vital place in the meta. It coming back is fantastic and I'm looking forward to building with it. Let's go Queen.

:pmd/deoxys-speed: - Deo is another mon that very much defied expectations. While it's place was debated upon it's return, people soon realized how powerful it was as a lead and how much it buffed Hyper Offense. By the end of it's second tenure in the tier this gen, people seemed ready to ban it. It leaving overall is pretty great then.

:pmd/scizor: - Our worst loss, but even then scizor wasn't exactly in the best spot. The other steels like tran and skarm both outcompeted it and dominated against it. While it will be missed, it certainly isn't an insane loss.

:pmd/weezing: (Galar) - lol be real who cares

:pmd/slither-wing: :pmd/fezandipiti: :pmd/manaphy: - All our newest risers have been a long time coming. Now all we need is gastro to rise and every current mon in B+ and above will be offically UU!

Winners

:pmd/ogerpon-cornerstone: - Lost Probably it's two best revenge killers in the tier. Mon's been catching eyes for a tiering action recently and this isn't exactly slowing it down.

:pmd/fezandipiti: - You handle tink the same way you handle i heatran (u-turn) and in exchange you now lose the best offensive steel and one of the best psychic types in the tier, and the other best one is worse. Definitely a win.

:pmd/mew: :pmd/sandy-shocks: - The alternate Hazard leads are all eating tonight with deo gone. Maybe Mew becomes the meta again???

:pmd/greninja: - Greninja is now the natural fastest mon in the tier! Idk how much it helps the frog but it wins none the less.

Losers

:pmd/revavroom: - Ho losing the greatest lead it could ask for is a massive nerf to the style. Not enough to kill it of course but it's gonna need to find some new leads now.

:pmd/latios: - Our glorious queen tinkaton is here to give the mon a much harder time consistently ripping through teams. Calm mind set especially lose a lot from this.

Overall these shifts are pretty good! I'm excited to see where the tier develops from here. Have a good Day!!!
 
All I have to say is it looks extremely likely that OU steals torn-t, the current best and most splashable mon in UU. If that happens it is gonna be wild down here for a while since that mon checks so much
 
Very late on this but here are my thoughts on the potential rises and drops affecting UU:
UU to OU:
:Tornadus-Therian:
Losing Torn would cause a seismic shift of unprecedented proportions in the UU meta. Torn has been in UU since July of 2023, and is UU's only S rank right now. It fits on so many teams as a progress maker with Knock Off, Taunt, and U-turn. Its Assault Vest set serves as a fantastic check to many of the tier's special attackers, such as Hydrapple, Latios, and Keldeo. I think that with Torn gone, the meta becomes slower, as a fantastic progress maker is gone.
:Heatran:
This one is also going to hurt. Heatran serves as a defensive cornerstone of many different teams, serving to check threats such as Lokix, Zarude, and even Excadrill and Revaroom if it's holding an Air Balloon. I think that with Heatran gone, Lokix and Zarude become more dominant, and Zarude in particular could be seen as banworthy, especially in conjunction with Torn rising.
OU to UU:
:weavile:
This is a very interesting drop. The last time Weavile was in the tier, it was suspected and narrowly avoided being banned, with there being 28 ban votes to 32 do not ban votes. I think that this time, especially with the lack of Heatran to potentially threaten Weavile with a flame body burn, Weavile might be banned from UU.
OU to NU:
:Araquanid:
Araquanid dropping is going to be very interesting. Webs as a playstyle is very poor in UU, largely stemming from the fact that Excadrill can beat Ribombee, which is the tier's most popular Sticky Web setter. So having a setter that can defeat Excadrill should be very interesting for UU. While I don't think Araquanid would have the usage to remain UU, I think it will have a valuable niche in the tier.
RUBL to UU:
:Ogerpon:
Ogerpon rising is not a surprise, as a large reason for it dropping was due to Meowscarada's presence in the tier. Its role as a fast pivot will become even more valuable as Torn leaves for OU.
NUBL to UU:
:Politoed:
To be honest, I'm not sure why Politoed is rising. I am assuming that Rain is prevalent on ladder as I have not seen much of it in UUCL. It also doesn't help that Specs Torn, one of its best partners on rain teams, is projected to rise to OU.
UU to RUBL:
:Comfey:
Comfey dropping is not much of a surprise. Ever since Rillaboom got banned, Comfey has struggled in UU, being overly reliant on tera to beat Steels and Fire types while also struggling with Skeledrige. It dropping is a fair assement, as it isn't that good in UU at the moment.
:Hawlucha:
Another Victim of Rillaboom's ban, as it has struggled immensely since the ban. It needs to get up a Swords Dance to be a threat, and also needs Unburden to outspeed Key Threats such as Greninja and Torn. Even with Torn's projected departure, Weavile would take its place, so I don't see Hawlucha returning to relevance anytime soon.
 
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Very late on this but here are my thoughts on the rises and drops affecting UU:
UU to OU:
:Tornadus-Therian:
Losing Torn would cause a seismic shift of unprecedented proportions in the UU meta. Torn has been in UU since July of 2023, and is UU's only S rank right now. It fits on so many teams as a progress maker with Knock Off, Taunt, and U-turn. Its Assault Vest set serves as a fantastic check to many of the tier's special attackers, such as Hydrapple, Latios, and Keldeo. I think that with Torn gone, the meta becomes slower, as a fantastic progress maker is gone.
:Heatran:
This one is also going to hurt. Heatran serves as a defensive cornerstone of many different teams, serving to check threats such as Lokix, Zarude, and even Excadrill and Revaroom if it's holding an Air Balloon. I think that with Heatran gone, Lokix and Zarude become more dominant, and Zarude in particular could be seen as banworthy, especially in conjunction with Torn rising.
OU to UU:
:weavile:
This is a very interesting drop. The last time Weavile was in the tier, it was suspected and narrowly avoided being banned, with there being 28 ban votes to 32 do not ban votes. I think that this time, especially with the lack of Heatran to potentially threaten Weavile with a flame body burn, Weavile might be banned from UU.
OU to NU:
:Araquanid:
Araquanid dropping is going to be very interesting. Webs as a playstyle is very poor in UU, largely stemming from the fact that Excadrill can beat Ribombee, which is the tier's most popular Sticky Web setter. So having a setter that can defeat Excadrill should be very interesting for UU. While I don't think Araquanid would have the usage to remain UU, I think it will have a valuable niche in the tier.
RUBL to UU:
:Ogerpon:
Ogerpon rising is not a surprise, as a large reason for it dropping was due to Meowscarada's presence in the tier. Its role as a fast pivot will become even more valuable as Torn leaves for OU.
NUBL to UU:
:Politoed:
To be honest, I'm not sure why Politoed is rising. I am assuming that Rain is prevalent on ladder as I have not seen much of it in UUCL. It also doesn't help that Specs Torn, one of its best partners on rain teams, is projected to rise to OU.
UU to RUBL:
:Comfey:
Comfey dropping is not much of a surprise. Ever since Rillaboom got banned, Comfey has struggled in UU, being overly reliant on tera to beat Steels and Fire types while also struggling with Skeledrige. It dropping is a fair assement, as it isn't that good in UU at the moment.
:Hawlucha:
Another Victim of Rillaboom's ban, as it has struggled immensely since the ban. It needs to get up a Swords Dance to be a threat, and also needs Unburden to outspeed Key Threats such as Greninja and Torn. Even with Torn's projected departure, Weavile would take its place, so I don't see Hawlucha returning to relevance anytime soon.
Hey, great post, going to just add on to some of the more significant points. Quick rises don't happen anymore, so it will be until October until Torn-T inevitably rises, as the council from my understanding does not plan on action for it. We have been discussing the incoming effects of it leaving, notably its speed tier and versatility giving it the ability to soft check lots of threats that are otherwise difficult to check defensively, such as Ogerpon-Cornerstone. Heatran rising isn't a huge deal for the tier in my opinion, although it does open up some bulkier structures / setup Pokemon that are shut down by Magma Storm + Taunt, as well as offense Pokemon impacted by Flame Body, specifically Lokix. It is a little difficult to speculate on the meta with the S rank Pokemon rising, but I think as a tier and council we should take a conservative approach to tiering as Torn-T leaves because it is so formative for the tier.

Obviously there are many more speculative effects on from two of these key Pokemon leaving and the potential drop of Weavile, but for the next couple of months I'd like the tier as a whole to focus on what is in front of us instead of the tier in October, because we will get there when we get there. Also if Weavile drops right now I think it'd be a nice addition to the tier, maybe next month! :blobpex:
 
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