The day has come, MLati is FINALLY OU
(Moyashi in case you’re reading this, upon reading my response to you again it felt more like a Crashout so I’m incredibly sorry for that)
Anyways, survey time :))
Meta Playability/Enjoyability:
I gave it a 7 mainly cuz I’m not finding ND to be as fun in all honesty, though I feel like that’s more because of the fact I play the tier a lot more than I probably should.
Meta stability:
Gave it an 8. The meta feels fine, there’s nothing which is straight up broken except maybe the exception of wellspring if you ask me., which dw i’ll elaborate further upon when I get to it.
Individual Pokémon:
Here’s the meat and potatoes we’ve been waiting for
Kingambit: 2
I absolutely hate 50/50s, as well defiant is probably the most annoying ability it has, outside of personal grudges and feelings, it’s alright in the current meta, hence I gave it a 2.
Gholdengo: 3
It’s para spam and versatility within Z moves makes it a nuisance to deal with both in the builder and on the battlefield. I don’t mind STAB Make It Rains that much personally as well non-Z sets are very tolerable (to me at least). I gave it a 3 as I felt like it was healthy enough to stay but also absurd enough to be banned, though if a suspect ever happens and I get reqs one way or another I’m going DNB.
Gliscor: 3
It’s fine if you ask me at least, though I can understand people who hate the thing. I find it to be both as well broken and balanced. It’s wide array of moves makes it annoying ti say the least, dual wing beat and u turn have been rising in popularity from what I’ve seen (I’ve encountered way too many glisc using these 2, in conjunction as well I should mention.)
Ogerpon-Wellspring: 4
Without tera water it feels “tolerable” to say the least, tiering action should absolutely be conducted cuz of it’s diversity of sets with fairly different checks, nigh unwallability and partiality towards offense in the current meta. I didn’t give it a 5 as the meta can handle it as how else has no action been taken already? Though it’s absolutely best if it’s gone from the tier, the only positive you can say for it is that it can threaten and deal with Gliscor.
Alomomola: 1
Why is this even here lmao. The best answer I can see for this is that it’s annoying which fine, i’ll admit, but it by no means is broken at all and is probably even healthy for the tier, it provides for a great bulky water which doesn’t need to worry about recovery unlike fini which needs to go out of its way to run lefties or draining kiss. As well it can be broken, knock+hazards, Zard y, bolt, lele, etc.
Volcarona: 2
To me personally volc feels like one of those mons which just checks wether you built a “good team” or not, if you get 6-0’d by Volc all 10 times out of 10 than it’s likely just an issue with your team. Heatran, Clod and Pex are pretty reliable checks, iirc +1 HP ground can’t ohko sp def Tran.
That concludes it ig, idk how to write good conclusions, so instead have a good day :))
) and it played out almost every game even against actually good players!!!! players better than me have already said everything I have against moon so I'll just stress the importance of the ban. The tier is at its worst since I started playing (post tera ban) and is so shit to build precisely because of the moon goonsquad coming in to reap the souls of anything slightly slower or weaker than it. absolutely vomit inducing to ladder this shit and removing one of its most degenerate elements in moon should greatly soothe a lot of asinine issues with the tier. the plethora of options that natdex has being cut down to "moon screens/dia" or "gliscpex prayer" should never happen and its genuinely vomit inducing that anyone can play 5 games with moon HO and not think that this shit is abhorrent. the amount of cool shit that is totally invalidated by moon is so depressing and anyone who fundamentally enjoys the premise of natdex should want to make the builder less constricting. I appreciate centralized metagames, but the level to which moon centralizes the tier and fundamentally makes it no longer fun to play or compete in should set off instant alarm bells for anyone who is already a solid player or trying to improve in nd. i love this tier genuinely and i think that letting it sit like this CANNOT happen. I truly am begging anyone who took the time to get reqs to PLEASE vote BAN as I will.
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is funny. I ran it with lagging tail mola for guaranteed slow wish pivoting and being hit with a 600+ attack 140bp stab move isn't rlly fun for the opponent. Hazards+fast offensive mons do seriously fuck luna up but it shreds slower teams immensely
is rlly fun. Ceaseless is great as a progress maker and pads means zap and molt don't screw you over with contact punishment. It's also a rlly good revenge killer with sucker
second best form of hazard control and threatens a lot of stuff with stabs+setting hazards of its own
4
allows it to be just bulky enough (kinda like clefable) to check pretty much all special attackers except ones with a high bp super effective stab against it plus spikes (most notable mons it checks is gholdengo and subswarm volc, 2 of the best mons in the tier rn, and alo is slower than volc and can flip turn guaranteeing substitute breaks allowing for consistent revenge killing) and non-av is still good, being able to wishpass to teammates which is apparently what it's known best for but i'm not buying it. another thing i'd like to mention is that this mon is a skill check. not being able to get past alomomola and turning to complaining for tiering action against it is a self-report that people probably shouldn't listen to your thoughts on tiering action as a whole. alo is putting on a performance like few others in history in the ndou tier rn and is getting absolutely no respect for it, which is atrocious, and this pokemon should be getting the recognition it deserves for borderline holding up the sky with its own 2 fins and extra steel beam (that looks suspiciously like string cheese) as support.