Pokémon Presents - Pokémon Day 2025 - Pokemon ZA Info & Pokemon Champions Announced

The other Chikorita image from the last news update has it at Level 15 with Leech Seed instead.
They finally did it...
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Y'all wouldn't believe how long I've been advocating for early-level-up Leech Seed Chikorita. It's literally the missing piece in its in-game design.
A classic example that always comes to mind is Flygon. Flygon was literally nobody back in RSE.
Not really? Flygon was always kind of popular because it looks cool and is a dragon people could actually get during the story. Like, people who knew Trapinch evolved into it generally trained up one.

The pseudos popularity as a whole has been extremely exaggerated. Nobody was using Salamence back in the day.

The first pseudo to be legit usable in-game was Platinum Gible. Nobody is selling me on the absolute tomfoolery that they knew about the second entrance to Wayward Cave without a guide, AND that the Canon Event team for DP actually was Infernape, Staraptor, Luxray, Roserade, Floatzel, and Lucario. Excluding Bibarel, of course.
 
Maybe its just me and my copium, but hopefully they can update animations as they go, considering this is a live service game. I would love things added later like Health % showing signs of fatigue or falling over, or just hit animations becoming different based on the amount of hp remaining. Just little details to trade for the fact only PvP remains in the game. Plus, phones can definitely handle these animations considering the Titan that Pokémon GO became.
Yeah that's absolutely not going to happen, even if it is a "proper" live service game (which, to be honest, probably not)
 
Updated Legends: Z-A checklist:


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Original X & Y Pokedex for comparison:


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Color code:
- Green: This Pokémon is present in the Legends: Z-A Pokedex.
- Light Green: This Pokémon was introduced in Generation VI and remains unconfirmed.
- Blue: This Pokémon is from a family that can Mega Evolve and is present in the original Kalos Pokedex.
- Purple: This Pokémon is from a family that can Mega Evolve and is not present in the original Kalos Pokedex.
- Light Purple: This Pokémon is capable of Primal Reversion.
- Grey: Special case (Kleavor).


New confirmations:
- Weedle, Kakuna, Beedrill
- Machop, Machoke, Machamp,
- Scyther, Scizor, (Kleavor),
- Mawile,
- Numel, Camerupt,
- Shuppet, Banette,
- Buneary, Lopunny,
- Snover, Abomasnow,
- Scraggy, Scrafty,
- Helioptile, Heliolisk,
- Pumpkaboo, Gourgeist.


The Scyther line was actually confirmed a while back through the appearance of Mega Scizor on a promotional artwork. This puts Kleavor in an interesting position. Given its history, I think it’s pretty much a coin toss if it will make an appearance in this game or not.
Also, for what it’s worth, a statue of Kingambit can be seen in the trailer. Appearances of Pokémon on T-shirts and the like usually don’t mean much, but it’s still nice that they incorporated such a recently introduced Pokémon in this game.



I like Mega Dragonite quite a lot. It’s honestly pretty much what I expected it would look like. Base Dragonite was always more “cute” than “cool”, so it’s not terribly surprising that they have taken the Mega in the direction they did. I especially like all the Dragonair references they added. The head wings may look a bit overwhelming at first, but I think that the elongated tail ends up balancing the design pretty nicely. The Tail Orb being a glowing Mega Stone is a neat detail, too!
 
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Y'all wouldn't believe how long I've been advocating for early-level-up Leech Seed Chikorita. It's literally the missing piece in its in-game design.

Not really? Flygon was always kind of popular because it looks cool and is a dragon people could actually get during the story. Like, people who knew Trapinch evolved into it generally trained up one.

The pseudos popularity as a whole has been extremely exaggerated. Nobody was using Salamence back in the day.

The first pseudo to be legit usable in-game was Platinum Gible. Nobody is selling me on the absolute tomfoolery that they knew about the second entrance to Wayward Cave without a guide, AND that the Canon Event team for DP actually was Infernape, Staraptor, Luxray, Roserade, Floatzel, and Lucario. Excluding Bibarel, of course.

Most of the people didn't even know that the evolutions were. The context is completely different. In 2003, I had 10 years, and this is coming from someone who is above the average age of the Pokémon fanbase. In Spain, Internet wasn't normalized at that point nor were newborns using a mobile device from day 0 -in fact, no Internet on phones-, and if you happen to have it in your house, it was mostly because of either your father or your older bro/sis -if you happen to have one- and good luck if you were allowed to use it from time to time. Not to talk about the absolutely alien feeling that was the mere act of searching for something as you do nowadays through Twitter, PxP, Pokémon Safari, Serebii, etcetera. Most of the information at that point still came from magazines.

For a lot of kids, Trapinch was a random mon found if the desert. So was Baltoy or Cacnea. This is without taking into consideration the fact that most kids just overleveled their starter and didn't care about anything else.

Some people liked Flygon? Sure. I've stated that in my previous post. Some people also liked Ludicolo or Mightyena. But it wasn't, and never was, an extremely popular Pokémon mentioned in every single iteration of "which Pokémon needs to be better? / needs an evolution?" as you see now in every single instance megas or buffs are mentioned. That came later and completely out of context of how things were in RSE.
 
For a lot of kids, Trapinch was a random mon found if the desert. So was Baltoy or Cacnea. This is without taking into consideration the fact that most kids just overleveled their starter and didn't care about anything else.

Some people liked Flygon? Sure. I've stated that in my previous post. Some people also liked Ludicolo or Mightyena. But it wasn't, and never was, an extremely popular Pokémon mentioned in every single iteration of "which Pokémon needs to be better? / needs an evolution?" as you see now in every single instance megas or buffs are mentioned. That came later and completely out of context of how things were in RSE.
Pointing out Trapinch was just a random desert mon reminded me that I hated Trapinch because it was that one Pokemon you couldn't run away from. Also, it only had 3 moves when you caught it even though it's Level ~20! The moves being Sand Attack and both 60 Power Dark attacks (Bite and Faint Attack) makes it even worse. Being stuck with something that leaves that bad of a first impression for ~15 Levels has got to hurt chances for popularity... I think I get how Flygon can easily not be popular. That said, I have trouble believing it was that unpopular. It's still a cool looking Dragon and you'd definitely find out about it because of the Elite Four using one. I really wanted Flygon in Emerald and I'd seen Vibrava in the Battle Factory, so I knew what the blank spot in the Pokedex before Flygon was. What I couldn't figure out was what evolved into Vibrava. I stared at the Pokedex trying to figure it out and I never did because I couldn't believe the annoying Arena Trap Pokemon evolved into a Dragon.

Long story short: I guess I'm blaming Trapinch for Flygon's lack of love and I'm realizing I still dislike Trapinch.

Also, I didn't overlevel my starter. I over leveled an Altaria. I thought it was really good because I was having trouble with the Flying Gym.
 
I would argue that a lot of Flygon's popularity is ironically that it didn't get a Mega. But I won't because I didn't have Internet back in gen 3. Only thing I can say is that I never made the connection between Trapinch and Flygon as a child.

But as someone who also literally bought every single number of Nintendo Acción and had dozens of guides for Gen 3 games... I never, not even once, found Bagon to be extremely special. None of my friends did either, our reactions even as children were not "omg how cool and powerful this hidden Pokemon must be" because unlike Mew, we literally knew the method for getting it because of those guides. Our reaction was "but then you get it very late that sucks" and literally "my Sceptile is better because I have been training it since the very start of the game and that was so long ago"

Point is, generalizing this is pretty nonsensical in a time before the Internet. I seriously doubt even my "playground rumours" line up with other people's (my cousin kept telling everyone how he got a second Suicune in Crystal using a ridiculously roundabout method, a friend of mine talked about how Primal Palkia had to be a thing, other said Arceus had an evil version, one of them even kept arguing the GHOST in Pokemon Tower didn't scare his starter becaise obviously his starter was not afraid of anything). Seems really dumb to me to invalidate people's opinion because of starting later unless we are literally talking about how things were back in our old man days, but even then, how do you measure that? By how it was in your personal experience? When you are a kid that can't even know a Pokemon's BST? I never knew Slaking was even strong or that Hydreigon was a Pseudo because I never used them. I was never able to convince other children Lucario was not a legendary because Riolu existed, just because it was in a movie.

It seems really weird to me to try to argue how other people experience Pokemon, or used to.

Ramblings aside, some people ppinted out how this whole rust-themed mafia (?) has one guy with a Mega Stone that literally looks like Steelix. I assume that the leader will have a new Poison Mega, trough everything about this group is baffling to me because they were nowhere just some years ago.

Also, Mable is literally using Team Flare iconography in the lab...is that, like, even allowed? lol
 
Is no one going to mention that Flygon was one of the first pokemon you see when you boot up the Emerald Intro and is a mon on Drake's team? I dunno i just find this Flygon revisionism amusing, its always been a cool mon with a covetted designs that people have been trying and failing to make more viable since gen 4.

On a seperate topic more related to the thread, a friend sent me an image connecting Corbeau possibly to Carmine and Kierran, since Gamefreaks loves their plant based connections
 

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What I find the funniest about comparing the super casual perspective between Flygon and various pseudo-legendaries is that I used to think of Flygon as a pseudo-legendary. It's not like a kid who doesn't use any status moves would recognize things like exact BST or experience group, but they can notice "difficult-to-obtain," "probably strong," and "usually Dragon-type." (I also want to say it got a "mythically important Dragon" role alongside Salamence in the first Ranger?) Not that this endeared me to Flygon at the time. The entire group came off as a way to circumvent the only balancing restriction casual schoolchildren can agree on.

Anyway, I never had that much interest in Dragonite (from either a like or dislike side) and its mega isn't currently changing that
 
Is no one going to mention that Flygon was one of the first pokemon you see when you boot up the Emerald Intro and is a mon on Drake's team? I dunno i just find this Flygon revisionism amusing, its always been a cool mon with a covetted designs that people have been trying and failing to make more viable since gen 4.

On a seperate topic more related to the thread, a friend sent me an image connecting Corbeau possibly to Carmine and Kierran, since Gamefreaks loves their plant based connections

this one im not sure if i get since corbeau is very French guy To Ever French and theres no real reason for kieran and carmines family to have any connection to kalos. colors are similar but only really if you consider kieran and ignore carmine, and other than that i feel like gamefreak makes stuff like this a LOT more obvious.

also tbh knowing a bit of plant cladistics, plants sharing an order is kinda meaningless because an order in botany will have 1000000000000 species under it
 
How Pokemon fans think relative characters work: "Yoooo these two guys have kinda similar hair/eye colors... Are they siblings?"

How they actually work: "SO THERE'S THIS GIRL WHOSE NAME IS AN ANAGRAM OF CLAY AND SHE SAYS HER DAD IS A UNOVA GYM LEADER AND HER ACE IS EXCADRILL AND HER AREA THEME HAS A DRIFTVEIL CITY MOTIF AND"
 
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SV doesn't display an item indicator in pre-battle either. This is just a gen 9 change.
I understand and agree with everything you've said but I think you're incurring in a pretty common error right here. You said I've been here since Gen I and I've wanted some Dragonite love since then, and this is the basis of your argument as to ask yourself why is it that people is never happy with anything they get, but the problem is most of those individuals aren't the same that you remember from back in the day when you wanted love for Dragonite.

Some of us, who are now in our 30s (and we are, for sure, a minority when it comes to the totality of the Pokémon fanbase), have the privilege to remember things as they actually were, prior to the popularization of the Internet warping and creating trends that have nothing to do with reality. A classic example that always comes to mind is Flygon. Flygon was literally nobody back in RSE. Most kids, who were absolutely blinded -so was I- by powerful Pokémon and 'pseudo-legendaries', were fascinated with Salamence, not only because it was the strongest dragon of the two (not counting Lati@s), but because magazines like the Nintendo Acción surrounded their catch method in mystery -for most of us, discovering where Bagon was wasn't as simple, easy and quick as just looking at it on the Internet-, which further contributed to the mystery of the Pokémon itself as you find yourself asking other dudes 'where did you catch that Pokémon?', a phenomena that Flygon, or should I say Trapinch, never was a part of.

It was in later generations when it started to -retroactively- become basically a meme. 'Oh, no love for Flygon', but back in the day, no one gave a shit about it. It was, for sure, a decent mon loved by some players, but so is every mon, since Pokémon is played by millions, but it wasn't some kind of Pokémon everyone was talking or thinking about. Not at all.

This happens with everything else. The dudes you knew that loved Dragonite aren't there anymore, and a lot of the ones you hear with the hate or the melodrama, as you've described it, started playing in USUM. It is like that. And most of them even actively lie on the Internet and try to enforce their vision of how things are or should be regarding a time they never even lived, or use fake nostalgia to talk about past times that didn't existed for them, because they are 16yo. Why does this happen, tho? I don't know.
Europe (or South America? I have no idea where Nintendo Accion is from) is not representative of North America or Japan.
I think ya'll speculating far too much on a Pokemon you know literally nothing of.

You're thinking of it as if it's "Dragonite with more BST", but we've seen Megas completely change type, stat distribution (es the two Charizards) or even completely flip roles (es Mega Diancie).
Honestly I'd leave that for when we actually have its stats and typing.

(Being a Legends game, the ability itself is not actually something you should consider. As L.A. shown, they can have filler abilityes in the game until they actually become available in a mainline game with abilities)
We know it doesn't change type, the site specifies that it's still Dragon/Flying.
although Sylveon seems to be using its regular hit animation at an earlier point, so I'm not sure if the animation isn't implemented for every Pokémon or if it's applied on a case-by-case basis).
In the Stadium games how much the Pokémon reacted to the attack was based on the damage taken, as well as sometimes the type and power of the attack. Sometimes they'd get knocked back, sometimes they'd flinch a bit like the 3DS games, and if the attack was really weak they wouldn't react at all just continuing their idle animation.
-1.5 years after the game is revealed and we finally have one (1) new mega officially revealed, with just 3 months to go until launch.
Most previous megas were not revealed prior to launch. XY only had Mewtwo Y and the small group of like 6-ish that were shown when Mega Evolution was announced and then Kangaskhan at Worlds. ORAS only revealed Steelix and Glalie via the demo and Altaria and Salamence through other means (the rest got datamminedfrom the demo, but they weren't intentionally revealed).
How Pokemon fans think relative characters work: "Yoooo these two guys have kinda similar hair/eye colors... Are they siblings?"

How they actually work: "SO THERE'S THIS GIRL WHOSE NAME IS AN ANAGRAM OF CLAY AND SHE SAYS HER DAD IS A UNOVA GYM LEADER AND HER ACE IS EXCADRILL AND HER AREA THEME HAS A DRIFTVEIL CITY MOTIF AND"
I mean until they basically came out and said it in Mochi Mayhem no one would have expected Penny and Peony to be related.
 
this one im not sure if i get since corbeau is very French guy To Ever French and theres no real reason for kieran and carmines family to have any connection to kalos. colors are similar but only really if you consider kieran and ignore carmine, and other than that i feel like gamefreak makes stuff like this a LOT more obvious.

also tbh knowing a bit of plant cladistics, plants sharing an order is kinda meaningless because an order in botany will have 1000000000000 species under it
Personalyl I think the eyes kind of match, they're pretty distinct, but mostly agree that just going out on a limb. Corbeau clearly has them to reference the secondary shared theme of Rust being snakes, Kieren has them to be Spooky.
Their grandparents do happen to use poison types when you battle them, though it's still a stretch.

Most previous megas were not revealed prior to launch. XY only had Mewtwo Y and the small group of like 6-ish that were shown when Mega Evolution was announced and then Kangaskhan at Worlds. ORAS only revealed Steelix and Glalie via the demo and Altaria and Salamence through other means (the rest got datamminedfrom the demo, but they weren't intentionally revealed).
They revealed a bunch of megas for both
Mewtwo Y in the movie then formally later in August with Mawile, Lucario, Ampharos, Absol, Blaziken, Kangaskhan at worlds, Charizard X in Origins, in September they showed off Charizard Y, Venusaur & Blastoise, CorocCoro that month showed Mewtwo X & Garchomp
It got sideswept due to the games leaking but CoroCoro was also set to show off Aggron, Tyranitar & Gengar at about the same time the games came out, which since 2 of those were post game and we couldn't adequately datamine, count in my book.

So discounting the Lati, counting both X & Ys, of the 28 megas they revealed 16 of them before release. That's more than half, which is also impressive since they were revealed so close to release.

ORAS, meanwhile, lead with megas Diancie, Swampert & Sceptile in June (& the primals from the initial reveal, but whatever), Sableye for e3, Metagross in July, Salamence Altaria & Lopunny in August's CoroCoro, Slowbro at worlds, Audino at gamescon, Gallade, Sharpedo & Camerupt in September's corocoro, mega Raqyuaza in October livestream, the Lati (granted we knew about them from XY's datamine), Pidgeot & Beedrill in October's corocoro and then, finally, the demo came out revealing Steelix & Glalie.
You will note this was: All of them.
In fact the demo had people trying to cope their way into more megas because surely they wouldn't reveal all of them before release, the demo must be unfinished or they cut out everything except the ones we knew.
 
I mean until they basically came out and said it in Mochi Mayhem no one would have expected Penny and Peony to be related.

I actually seem to recall it being a bit of a theory even before MM, though I think it came more from the Japanese side of fandom?

Though even there, we knew from base SV that Penny was from Galar.

Of course, Z-A isn’t out yet so we don’t really know what it will or won’t say about Corbeau. (Though just speaking personally I doubt he’ll be connected to Kieran.)
 
I actually seem to recall it being a bit of a theory even before MM, though I think it came more from the Japanese side of fandom?

Though even there, we knew from base SV that Penny was from Galar.

Of course, Z-A isn’t out yet so we don’t really know what it will or won’t say about Corbeau. (Though just speaking personally I doubt he’ll be connected to Kieran.)
iirc the theory was mostly rooted in, like, a japanese poem that involved the specific flowers from the japanese names of the trio and is also why people are expecting a third child to show up at some point.

Probably why they called her Penny in English, since it kinda-sorta calls to Peony/Peonia. But yeah it wasn't really a common theory in English that I recall; I think some people saw the Galar reference and tried linking her to Bede at one point??
 
In the Stadium games how much the Pokémon reacted to the attack was based on the damage taken, as well as sometimes the type and power of the attack. Sometimes they'd get knocked back, sometimes they'd flinch a bit like the 3DS games, and if the attack was really weak they wouldn't react at all just continuing their idle animation.
That is incorrect.

So basically, hit reactions are tied to two things in Stadium 2.
  • The attack itself. Some of them simply don't trigger the knockback animation. Period. A lot of stat-related moves are like this.
  • The effectiveness. If it's not very effective, it won't trigger the knockback animation. Otherwise, it will, even for very weak moves like Mud-Slap.
 
I think Mega Dragonite looks fugly because its body shape is almost exactly the same as its base form, just with poorly added features. The giant wings on its head are too distracting and makes the tiny wings on its back look unnecessary. According to the official website, the wings on its head are supposed to be "feelers" and may not be used for flying, but visually that's not how it looks like. Even the extra wings on its shoulders are redundant. How many wings does this guy need? It's common for Mega Evolutions to have extra and random spikes or protrusions (which I already am not too much of a fan of), but I think wings are the worse kinds to do this with. The wings on its feet are a nice detail though since it makes Dragonite resemble Hermes, the messenger god.

The blue-greenish color of the pearl also doesn't fit with Dragonite's color scheme. And I don't know if its just me, but does its tail look bigger to highlight the pearl? Dragonite's tail and backside in general is one of its least memorable features, but the official artwork is putting more emphasis on the tail to show off the pearl which only adds to the more awkward look when paired with the giant wings. If you look at Dragonite as a standalone Pokémon, the pearl becomes even more out of place. It feels like Mega Dragonite was forced to have the pearl by the designers to give it some resemblance to its previous stage.

The only Megas that mostly retain their base form's body shape are Sableye, Kangaskhan, and Ampharos. None of them have awkward proportions or color schemes. Mega Sableye's gem and Mega Kangaskhan's baby being their biggest part of their identity makes sense since their fighting style revolves around their gem and baby, respectively. And Ampharos already did the Dragon-type with pearls on its tail and taking features from previous stages better. Its fur is very noticeable, but not deliberately in your face that it distracts you from its body unlike Mega Dragonite's head wings and tail which forces itself to be seen in artworks.

They should have just fully committed to separating Dragonite from its previous stages instead of doing this. One strong positive I can say about Mega Dragonite is that they doubled down on its friendly and derpy nature compared to the many fanarts which focuses on making it look "cooler".

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New topic: does anyone else feel like more characters are being overdesigned this generation? I have seen way more characters with special haircuts, accessories, or extra detail in their clothes. It's like they came from Masters EX. The Team Star leaders, Kieran and Carmine, Briar, The Indigo Disk E4, even the teachers that you barely interact with have more features and textures than most characters from past games. And this looks to be the case for this game as well. I don't think being overdesigned is inherently a bad thing, but I dislike it being overused.

Just compare Team MZ to the original friend group of XY. I much prefer the designs of gen 6 where people look normal and blend in with each other instead of trying to make every person stand out too much. HGSS to the gen 7 games have the best character designs in my opinion. It's the perfect mix of simplicity with enough detail to make them feel like the character they are supposed to be representing. The designs for many gen 9 characters have been giving too many NPCs an anime main character look.
 
And again such a shame we're just seemingly not going to visit any of the notable kalos areas so presumably anything interesting happening elsewhere will just have to be brought up in passing

Hopefully maybe there's a chance we'll get to visit set pieces.

Besides which, did it need to be a perfect design? Don’t we care more about the stats? How it works in game?

I mean come on, some of you claim Pokemon like Mega Sableye as your favourite mega! He’s not exactly an oil painting?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Like while you think M-Dragonite is perfect and M-Sableye is lacking, personally I feel the opposite. I've gave enough reasons why I feel M-Dragonite's design doesn't feel quite right to me. Meanwhile M-Sableye is I feel a simple design done right. While maybe some would have preferred it to become a more bulky body with gem-like spiky growth/armor and gem-encrusted claws & teeth, M-Sableye takes the base Sableye design and emphasizes/exaggerates its features. Base's most notable trait is its gem eyes, so they thought what else they could do with that and remembered the small red gem on its chest; "what if that grew into a giant gem it uses as a shield", and so it keeps the gem-forward design but puts a twist on it. And with that to work around they simply then added onto its base model; made its gem eyes a striking red like the gem so it's still a notable part of the design, top of the head gets additional spike, ears become a bit spikier, golden teeth made visible, claws and arm scruff sharper, and its back now has a cluster of gems. The basis behind M-Dragonite's design is good, I just don't feel they fully realized it; worst I feel the reason is because of avoiding fan artists designs.

Also, let's not forget Sableye is no Dragonite. I don't know why they picked Sableye, but even with a +100 to its stats it was never going to become a phenomenal Pokemon. What they did with M-Sableye's design not only emphasized its traits but gave it some kind of niche it could fill as a slow wall with Magic Bounce (it's one of the Mega Pokemon who gets knee-capped if you remove its Ability). And even with that niche, with you only having one Mega, it obviously was never going to get picked for a competitive team as Mega usually became more offense focused. M-Sableye exists for those who think using Sableye would be fun (or wanted to) but it was never really able to carry its weight; but now it can... in theory. Honestly what more defensive Mega Pokemon like M-Sableye need is being in a game like Colosseum which is doubles-focused and there's a reason you may stall a battle (Wes probably would have had an easier time with catching the Legendary Beasts if he had a M-Sableye soaking up hits and reflecting status ailments). Even if they give M-Dragonite a meh Ability it's going to be a powerhouse no matter what, no doubt also speedier.

At some point you have to wonder what people are actually mad at.

Also note that is likely just a vocal minority. Like, how many Nintendo Directs and Pokemon Presents have we had, plenty which were just small updates with no major news (or what could be a major news isn't really gone into that much?); I think most people at this point do go into these not expecting much. But there are some, some who I feel have reaction Youtube/Twitch channels (though the ones I watch don't act like this so :blobshrug:), who want big news to react to and when there isn't any they now have to be dramatic there was "nothing shown".

If there was any other factor that made some people believe there may have been more, it could have been the fact the Switch 2 is out and the Donkey Kong Bananza's Direct before its release was jam-packed with stuff that got people excited for the game. People are wondering what GF has cooking for specifically the Switch 2 and with LZA soon are hungry for info on it. However GF as of late are keeping their cards close to their chest, not just in game development news but also what they tell about the next Pokemon games as they realize a big surprise factor about Pokemon games are people discovering new Pokemon by encountering them in-game rather then through a news announcement. So could have just come to bad timing after some notable events & Direct(s) from Nintendo.

Okay, thanks. I found it odd that no item indicator was shown during team selection, like in the mainline games (they probably just aren’t holding any items).

No Items. OUs only. Not graphic heavy battlefield.

We also already seen in previous footage how for example Mega Alakazam didn't activate Trace on megaevolving, so it's safe to say there's not going to be any ability.

I would agree that pokemon that fully depend on them might get a innate mechanic to make up for it, but at same time, Let's Go did not have such thing...

We also went over how in that battle there may have been something that prevented Trace for activating (notably M-Alakazam was battling a Gardevoir, a Pokemon which could also have Trace; Or Normal Pokemon don't have something akin to Abilities while Mega will so its Trace will only activate against a Mega to give it an advantage).

And, yeah, we saw how some Mega Pokemon were weakened without their Abilities. The point there was we had hoped they had learned from that experience.

I think ya'll speculating far too much on a Pokemon you know literally nothing of.

I highly doubt, from what we've been told about it via the website, it's going to suddenly shift into a defensive Pokemon or start leaning Special (Attack). Honestly the only question about its stats is how much is going to go into its Attack (will it be a moderate increase to 150-160 or a dramatic push to 170+) and whether they'd want to more bulk its defenses or make it speedier (and how much are they going to "throw away" in its Special Attack stat).

And also note, though Abilities may not play a part in LZA (unless Mega Pokemon are just given additional effects similar to their Abilities, like through their Mega Stones which they apparently can hold?), but that doesn't mean the one they planned for it didn't have an effect on its design or lore.

LZA
-1.5 years after the game is revealed and we finally have one (1) new mega officially revealed, with just 3 months to go until launch.
-The website notes that Lida's partner is Staryu and Naveen's is Scraggy. :wo:

(Single) Mega Reveal: Now that they revealed there are new Mega Pokemon there's a chance they could reveal more before its release. Could be a good way to keep excitement about the game without having to do a Pokemon Presents if they hype up a new Mega reveal on their Twitter every few weeks starting now. And they still haven't revealed whether there are Regional Variants yet, so yet another potential way to keep peoples eyes glued to the game without a Presents.

NPC Partner Pokemon: I think they may be hinting Lida's style of dancing is breakdancing which I could see a Staryu's rapid spinning style fitting. Naveen wants to be a fashion designer, Scraggy is a Pokemon that looks like its wearing clothes, 'nuff said (BTW, how have people pointed out Lida is likely Tierno's sister yet not one the more obvious Naveen likely being Grant's younger brother? Are you telling me people remembered Tierno more over Grant?).

On a seperate topic more related to the thread, a friend sent me an image connecting Corbeau possibly to Carmine and Kierran, since Gamefreaks loves their plant based connections

Ah, so that's probably explains his name, cause I was wondering if it was going to be revealed he had like a Poison-type Honchkrow Regional Variant or something (for those who don't know, his Japanese name is "Karasuba" which translates to "crow wings" and his English name is just the French word for "crow").

New topic: does anyone else feel like more characters are being overdesigned this generation? I have seen way more characters with special haircuts, accessories, or extra detail in their clothes.

I don't mind if a character has fancier clothes, that's something logical. But I am getting a bit dissonance from all the unique haircuts, like now every Type Specialist has to have a hairstyle that references their Type.
 
Hopefully maybe there's a chance we'll get to visit set pieces.



Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Like while you think M-Dragonite is perfect and M-Sableye is lacking, personally I feel the opposite. I've gave enough reasons why I feel M-Dragonite's design doesn't feel quite right to me. Meanwhile M-Sableye is I feel a simple design done right. While maybe some would have preferred it to become a more bulky body with gem-like spiky growth/armor and gem-encrusted claws & teeth, M-Sableye takes the base Sableye design and emphasizes/exaggerates its features. Base's most notable trait is its gem eyes, so they thought what else they could do with that and remembered the small red gem on its chest; "what if that grew into a giant gem it uses as a shield", and so it keeps the gem-forward design but puts a twist on it. And with that to work around they simply then added onto its base model; made its gem eyes a striking red like the gem so it's still a notable part of the design, top of the head gets additional spike, ears become a bit spikier, golden teeth made visible, claws and arm scruff sharper, and its back now has a cluster of gems. The basis behind M-Dragonite's design is good, I just don't feel they fully realized it; worst I feel the reason is because of avoiding fan artists designs.

Also, let's not forget Sableye is no Dragonite. I don't know why they picked Sableye, but even with a +100 to its stats it was never going to become a phenomenal Pokemon. What they did with M-Sableye's design not only emphasized its traits but gave it some kind of niche it could fill as a slow wall with Magic Bounce (it's one of the Mega Pokemon who gets knee-capped if you remove its Ability). And even with that niche, with you only having one Mega, it obviously was never going to get picked for a competitive team as Mega usually became more offense focused. M-Sableye exists for those who think using Sableye would be fun (or wanted to) but it was never really able to carry its weight; but now it can... in theory. Honestly what more defensive Mega Pokemon like M-Sableye need is being in a game like Colosseum which is doubles-focused and there's a reason you may stall a battle (Wes probably would have had an easier time with catching the Legendary Beasts if he had a M-Sableye soaking up hits and reflecting status ailments). Even if they give M-Dragonite a meh Ability it's going to be a powerhouse no matter what, no doubt also speedier.



Also note that is likely just a vocal minority. Like, how many Nintendo Directs and Pokemon Presents have we had, plenty which were just small updates with no major news (or what could be a major news isn't really gone into that much?); I think most people at this point do go into these not expecting much. But there are some, some who I feel have reaction Youtube/Twitch channels (though the ones I watch don't act like this so :blobshrug:), who want big news to react to and when there isn't any they now have to be dramatic there was "nothing shown".

If there was any other factor that made some people believe there may have been more, it could have been the fact the Switch 2 is out and the Donkey Kong Bananza's Direct before its release was jam-packed with stuff that got people excited for the game. People are wondering what GF has cooking for specifically the Switch 2 and with LZA soon are hungry for info on it. However GF as of late are keeping their cards close to their chest, not just in game development news but also what they tell about the next Pokemon games as they realize a big surprise factor about Pokemon games are people discovering new Pokemon by encountering them in-game rather then through a news announcement. So could have just come to bad timing after some notable events & Direct(s) from Nintendo.



No Items. OUs only. Not graphic heavy battlefield.



We also went over how in that battle there may have been something that prevented Trace for activating (notably M-Alakazam was battling a Gardevoir, a Pokemon which could also have Trace; Or Normal Pokemon don't have something akin to Abilities while Mega will so its Trace will only activate against a Mega to give it an advantage).

And, yeah, we saw how some Mega Pokemon were weakened without their Abilities. The point there was we had hoped they had learned from that experience.



I highly doubt, from what we've been told about it via the website, it's going to suddenly shift into a defensive Pokemon or start leaning Special (Attack). Honestly the only question about its stats is how much is going to go into its Attack (will it be a moderate increase to 150-160 or a dramatic push to 170+) and whether they'd want to more bulk its defenses or make it speedier (and how much are they going to "throw away" in its Special Attack stat).

And also note, though Abilities may not play a part in LZA (unless Mega Pokemon are just given additional effects similar to their Abilities, like through their Mega Stones which they apparently can hold?), but that doesn't mean the one they planned for it didn't have an effect on its design or lore.



(Single) Mega Reveal: Now that they revealed there are new Mega Pokemon there's a chance they could reveal more before its release. Could be a good way to keep excitement about the game without having to do a Pokemon Presents if they hype up a new Mega reveal on their Twitter every few weeks starting now. And they still haven't revealed whether there are Regional Variants yet, so yet another potential way to keep peoples eyes glued to the game without a Presents.

NPC Partner Pokemon: I think they may be hinting Lida's style of dancing is breakdancing which I could see a Staryu's rapid spinning style fitting. Naveen wants to be a fashion designer, Scraggy is a Pokemon that looks like its wearing clothes, 'nuff said (BTW, how have people pointed out Lida is likely Tierno's sister yet not one the more obvious Naveen likely being Grant's younger brother? Are you telling me people remembered Tierno more over Grant?).



Ah, so that's probably explains his name, cause I was wondering if it was going to be revealed he had like a Poison-type Honchkrow Regional Variant or something (for those who don't know, his Japanese name is "Karasuba" which translates to "crow wings" and his English name is just the French word for "crow").



I don't mind if a character has fancier clothes, that's something logical. But I am getting a bit dissonance from all the unique haircuts, like now every Type Specialist has to have a hairstyle that references their Type.

If you notice almost all Pseudo legendary megas take some inspiration from their past evolutions though, M-Salamence gets the armor back from its Shellgon days, Mega Ttar gets a pupitar like shell around its mid-section, Mega metagross just adds more beldum and metang's to its body, with the only odd ball being Mega Garchomp just being extra edgy.

So Mega Dnite was on brand, I think they really should have added two orbs at the end of the tail instead of one RIGHT before the tip of the tail, cause that does look off to me. The giant wings I can't blame people for not knowing dragonair can make its tiny head wings bigger in the anime. Sure its not 1-to-1 with the exact wings from dragonair, I think they wanted more angelic themes with this Mega and went with a more bird-like design on the headwings. I think the shiny has potential like shiny Mega Gengar to really make it pop, with the pink or blue dragonair colors on it.
 
I think the shiny has potential like shiny Mega Gengar to really make it pop, with the pink or blue dragonair colors on it.

I wouldn't hold me breath on that one. I looked though all the Mega Pokemon whose color palette remained the same and only three really had their Mega's Shiny be different from their normal: Gengar (goes from a slightly different shade of purple to white), Gardevoir (white dress to black dress), and Garchomp (slightly different shade of blue & red to bright lavender & pink).

The thing about these three is that their normal Shiny wasn't really that impressive and so decided to make their Mega Shiny have a pop as you said (though they didn't do it for all Pokemon whose Shiny was just a slightly different shade from their Normal like Blaziken).

This is not the case for Dragonite, it goes from orange to green (and inside of wings from teal to purple). So odds are very likely Mega Dragonite is going to be green (with teal back wings). The head wings and pearl are the only things which would need a new color, and even then with some Mega Pokemon the new design traits don't change color if their colors don't clash that badly.
 
Ngl I fully expect them to reveal all new megas over time until the release.

That's just stuff japanese companies do and Pokemon has not been a exception.
They definitely won't do that because Pokemon notoriously loves keeping stuff close to its chest even after the game releases. We were still getting trailers and updates to sites about months after the games had released at times. They will show off a few more and leave some for plot and game enthusiasts to find, maybe a shadow of Starter Megas in the final or 2nd to last trailer, and leave the rest for us to find.
 
Europe (or South America? I have no idea where Nintendo Accion is from) is not representative of North America or Japan.

No country is, but phenomena that happen in the West are the same for both Spain and North America. To the point that every single instance of rumors you know from your childhood exists with exactly the same narrative here. This --my own life experience-- plus the fact that soon after (from DP onwards, or should I say from NDS onwards) Internet become standardized at the same time forums bloomed (and we got into the online generation of consoles, with the GTS being the first worldwide function the Pokémon franchised received), led me to that conclusion.
 
I like Mega Dragonite quite a lot. It’s honestly pretty much what I expected it would look like. Base Dragonite was always more “cute” than “cool”, so it’s not terribly surprising that they have taken the Mega in the direction they did. I especially like all the Dragonair references they added. The head wings may look a bit overwhelming at first, but I think that the elongated tail ends up balancing the design pretty nicely. The Tail Orb being a glowing Mega Stone is a neat detail, too!

I am also very happy with the route they took for Mega Dragonite. Megas have lots of potential, and I enjoy most of the designs. But some of them are quite uninspired (thinking of Mega Aerodactyl and Mega Sharpedo) and just make the base design spikier/edgier. We are in dire need of more cute Megas that accentuate the cuddly, cutesy, goofy aspects of Pokémon. To me, Mega Dragonite is a step on the right direction together with Mega Slowbro, Mega Audino, and Mega Altaria (some of my favorite designs).
 
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