Don Vascus is there a reason that you can't inherit raging bolt at all? No matter the mon, the set and IVs the teambuilder keeps saying that the set is illegal. Also is there anything on the council's watchlist? A full week into the month and I'm just curious.
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The issue with the paradox Beasts is a known issue with the validator, and we're looking into it. As for the watchlist, there's nothing at the moment since the effect of the last bans are still unfolding
Hey so quick question, for Mega Launcher Keldeo, would it be better to run Specs or AV?
I have been using Water Pulse, Aura Sphere, Dark Pulse and Flip Turn on it, and am currently using AV but idk if damage or survivability is more important on the cannon horse
Also, here is a fun set I am using- Cinccino!OgreponRock
With Skill Link, Rock Blast and tidy up donated from Cinccino, 125 BP (after all hits) STAB Rock Blast and Bullet Seed do a LOT of damage
It also has knock off for pesky steel types, removing a defensive item and doing pretty good damage
I have also been playing around with Squawkabilly!Dodrio, with speedy STAB guts facade, roost for healing and parting shot to pivot out, it is surprisingly good (although it gets hard walled by rock and steel types). It also has dual wing beat to hit ghost types that would usually give it trouble
I have been using Water Pulse, Aura Sphere, Dark Pulse and Flip Turn on it, and am currently using AV but idk if damage or survivability is more important on the cannon horse
Also, here is a fun set I am using- Cinccino!OgreponRock
With Skill Link, Rock Blast and tidy up donated from Cinccino, 125 BP (after all hits) STAB Rock Blast and Bullet Seed do a LOT of damage
It also has knock off for pesky steel types, removing a defensive item and doing pretty good damage
I have also been playing around with Squawkabilly!Dodrio, with speedy STAB guts facade, roost for healing and parting shot to pivot out, it is surprisingly good (although it gets hard walled by rock and steel types). It also has dual wing beat to hit ghost types that would usually give it trouble
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Speaking of the validator, I've just been playing around with an Electric Terrain team and noticed that the validator doesn't like me using Volt Tackle. I can inherit from Raichu-Alola just fine, but I have to use Wild Charge or some other move as it tells me my set is invalid with Volt Tackle.
what is your set, and have you tried validating it on alolachu?
Definitely specs on the Clawitzer!Keldeo
Thank you!
Shaymin-Sky @ Leftovers
Ability: Sharpness
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Substitute
- Sacred Sword
- Air Slash
- Will-O-Wisp
I didnt get to rlly test skymin cause the only time i used it it was 4am and my eyes were burning while sleep deprived but after actually looking into sets n stuff some more i thought of this set. sacred sword sharpness hits goodra and lax for a 2hko and all regenvesters cant hard switch anyways cause they risk u clicking sub and crippling them with wow. naive nature is bc
0 Atk burned Ting-Lu Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Shaymin-Sky: 72-85 (21.1 - 24.9%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
0 Atk burned Goodra-Hisui Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Shaymin-Sky: 54-65 (15.8 - 19%) -- possible 6HKO
4 Atk burned Snorlax Body Slam vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Shaymin-Sky: 63-75 (18.4 - 21.9%) -- possible 5HKO
im leaning more towards keeping skymin banned with how much new sets i can think off with no solid consentient answers to them all like yea this has a weaker mu into ghold or something but also like
252 SpA Choice Specs Tinted Lens Shaymin-Sky Hurricane vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Gholdengo: 194-228 (51.3 - 60.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
like u can fully mix and match skymin entirely and all of the sets cover each other so far i found like 6(cant reveal all the sauce ik Don found one too) substitute is a pretty cheap move in every meta i find theres always one team thats super annoying to play with sub spam like pair this with sub tripple arrows or something
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Acrobatrick Mahomes (Zapdos-Galar) @ Mirror Herb
Ability: Unburden
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swagger
- Acrobatics
- Low Kick
- Knock Off
Really fun sweeper set utilizing the combo of Mirror Herb and Unburden to counter setup mons. There are two main ways of getting Zapdos into position: A. Use Swagger to raise the opponents attack, proc Mirror Herb and Unburden to double your attack and speed, or B. swap into an opposing pokemon's setup and proc the Herb and Unburden. Either way, with your speed doubled you outpace most mons even with scarf, and with an attack boost and a 110 BP Acrobatics you can cut through a team pretty easily. Low Kick is good against large bulky mons (OHKOs Goodra-H without any boosts) and Knock is good coverage.
Main threats are Unaware mons and Triage Primarina.
Here's the best game I've ever had with this mon, +2's on the switch and sweeps the entire team: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9inheritance-2424148300
Seems fun but I feel like Hawlucha sets are just better. More reliability and less risk, not relying on Low Kick, the ability to set up more than once with SD/Bulk Up... The only thing it really misses is Knock Off, and then only for item removal because Throat Chop exists.
Acrobatrick Mahomes (Zapdos-Galar) @ Mirror Herb
Ability: Unburden
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swagger
- Acrobatics
- Low Kick
- Knock Off
*snip*
Also along with Skymin's eventually ban I hope that Sneasler goes along with it.
Gamers, I come bearing news!
First off, you must've heard, but Shaymin-Sky had a suspect, and it stayed banned. It was tested in the last Inheritour and it didn't feel too broken there, but with ladder to test it on the opinion on it soured.
Secondly, we got a survey up!! Answer it here!!
Lastly, Samples have been updated, and sample submissions are open!
We decided to add mini primers to the ones we have to give newer players an idea of how to use them, as well as to give some insight into the building process. Post your teams here or send them to me, and if we end up choosing them for the samples, ill reach out and ask you to write a mini primer for them. Alternatively, you are free to write your RMT here, and ill link it to the sample
First off, you must've heard, but Shaymin-Sky had a suspect, and it stayed banned. It was tested in the last Inheritour and it didn't feel too broken there, but with ladder to test it on the opinion on it soured.
Secondly, we got a survey up!! Answer it here!!
Lastly, Samples have been updated, and sample submissions are open!
We decided to add mini primers to the ones we have to give newer players an idea of how to use them, as well as to give some insight into the building process. Post your teams here or send them to me, and if we end up choosing them for the samples, ill reach out and ask you to write a mini primer for them. Alternatively, you are free to write your RMT here, and ill link it to the sample
I've been laddering a bit throughout this month and my opinion hasn't changed that much since last time (around 2023 I guess).
I've tried many playstyles such as HO with or without Aurora Veil/terrain, bulky offense, Trick Room but I think there is one archetype in particular that is very, very good : hazard stacking semi-stall teams.
With things such as
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you can basically check most of offensive threats (
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, etc.), put pressure with rocks/spikes/salt cure in return and find the good opportunity to set your wincon ( / 
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etc.).
So what I've find out is :
1. Stop relying only on Rapid spin, or consider having both rapid spin + Defog/Tidy Up/Court Change (
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, etc.). Spin block is too easy in this meta so make sure to be prepared against hazard stacking.
2. Substitute /Taunt can really make a big difference in your offense strategy, don't only rely on strong and powerful moves. I've been trying / 
with Substitute and that can be annoying against passing walls. You may need Knock Off along Liquidation/Superpower to get rid of Rocky Helmets.
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is a good solution to weaken defensive cores : Knock Off and Drain Punch will creep most of Regenvesters with max Spd, while BoltBeam does good damage to physical walls. It can also absorbs status that would creep your team.
4. Should you have an issue with Triage, you can consider
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since it neutralises Triage and is immune to Stored Power. It can also support your team with Rapid Spin, Knock Off and pivot with U-Turn. I'd add this to the VR as a viable option.
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cannot inherit but it's already good in what he does : ignoring Unaware, Ivy Cudgel, recovery with boosted Horn Leech, access to lot of utility moves (Encore, Spikes, SD, Taunt...). I personnaly ran SD/Ivy Cudgel/Horn Leech/Trailblaze with Grassy Surge support.
See you!
I've tried many playstyles such as HO with or without Aurora Veil/terrain, bulky offense, Trick Room but I think there is one archetype in particular that is very, very good : hazard stacking semi-stall teams.
With things such as
/ - / / - / - / or / you can basically check most of offensive threats ( / - / / - / , etc.), put pressure with rocks/spikes/salt cure in return and find the good opportunity to set your wincon ( / - / etc.).So what I've find out is :
1. Stop relying only on Rapid spin, or consider having both rapid spin + Defog/Tidy Up/Court Change (
/ - / - / - / - / , etc.). Spin block is too easy in this meta so make sure to be prepared against hazard stacking.2. Substitute /Taunt can really make a big difference in your offense strategy, don't only rely on strong and powerful moves. I've been trying
/ with Substitute and that can be annoying against passing walls. You may need Knock Off along Liquidation/Superpower to get rid of Rocky Helmets.3.
/ is a good solution to weaken defensive cores : Knock Off and Drain Punch will creep most of Regenvesters with max Spd, while BoltBeam does good damage to physical walls. It can also absorbs status that would creep your team.4. Should you have an issue with Triage, you can consider
/ since it neutralises Triage and is immune to Stored Power. It can also support your team with Rapid Spin, Knock Off and pivot with U-Turn. I'd add this to the VR as a viable option.4.
cannot inherit but it's already good in what he does : ignoring Unaware, Ivy Cudgel, recovery with boosted Horn Leech, access to lot of utility moves (Encore, Spikes, SD, Taunt...). I personnaly ran SD/Ivy Cudgel/Horn Leech/Trailblaze with Grassy Surge support.See you!
Great write-up, whinging nitpick that Ogerpon can inherit any legal set with any of its masks. Pokemon cannot inherit the various masked sets, and Hearthflame often ran its native kit, but otherwise correct.
Pokemon can inherit from the Ogerpons but they are required to wear the masks.