Metagame 1v1 Metagame Discussion

Can we start seriously talking about Hoopa? A lot of people have been calling it broken. Its very strange that after a big tour we have basically no discussion on the meta. There's a lot of sv players in tours but during discussions maybe a few show up. Feels like people's efforts/time investment is not entirely valued, often being ignored/made fun of. People will continue moving to other tiers/quitting if this happens. I've myself had many occasions where I feel like posting something but don't because it feels like it will never be worth it.

More on the state of 1v1: Ladder Tour was a decent burst of activity, but it was still much smaller than it could have been. The moment it ended, the ladder went back to its usual dead state. A big part of this comes down to motivation—there’s barely any incentive left for people to join or improve at 1v1. There needs to be a way to fix the ladder staying dead. Maybe we could use last year’s custom avatar as a reward for this ladder, and if not, then come up with some other incentive.
Instead, we’re busy posting in the 1v1 Other Tiers thread, even though we already know no one really cares about it. UU, NatDex, and other tiers aren’t even played by most people.

I did not agree with Senior Staff's strange decision of removing a CA from champs last year. Not only does it make no sense looking at the crimes committed, it threw multiple people's year-long efforts in the trash. This has only continued as we continue to bleed players. I have multiple friends who decided to move to an different tier entirely because of this, and are probably never coming back after the death of 1v1's reputation. If the senior staff wanted to fix 1v1 they failed, if they wanted to kill 1v1 their decisions make more sense.
 
Hoopa = Poopa Xd
OM = No M (No Mlayerbase at all)

It has been crickets surrounding hoopa lately which is fitting because U only need a low bp physical bug move to kill it with with anything (Double Entendre) ("Bars MMM!"). If u think that is overcommitment for one pokemon (S tier), play ss and see its really not; or go outside and live, Ur choice.

Out of the oms the only even worth considering is nd but it was a complete joke in ndampl (Go team! #champs). Been a scramble of development lately but its giving procrastinating study till the night before an exam.
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Ladder is gonna be dead just after lt because burnout exists, you don't feel like studying right after an exam period ends.

U are flogging a dead horse with your last point, stuff happened and it might not have been justified just let it go tho.

#Pce Out
 
Instead, we’re busy posting in the 1v1 Other Tiers thread, even though we already know no one really cares about it. UU, NatDex, and other tiers aren’t even played by most people.l
what did Natdex do to you?

Can we start seriously talking about Hoopa? A lot of people have been calling it broken. Its very strange that after a big tour we have basically no discussion on the meta. There's a lot of sv players in tours but during discussions maybe a few show up.
We sure “a lot of people” isnt just you? Bc I’ve seen basically no one discussing banning anything because most people don’t think anything needs action
 
I'm bored on a train so heres my thoughts on the mons mentioned in the survey before the results are out.

:hoopa-unbound: This mon is the epitome of flexible 1v1 top tier there isn't really a good argument for banning it. It's way too easy to check and doesn't "force" bug moves like Genesect forced fire moves. I'll reiterate from my pre-PL post that hoopa's flexibility and ambiguity is often to its detriments: Its most popular/well used sets lose more matchups than they gain.
You cannot build into a versatile top tier mon's superposition in 1v1, it makes bad teams more often than not. I do not think its bannable and I do not support a suspect test.

:iron crown: Crown is still good. I have no idea why but I feel like WP sets are being undereused right now, especially those that can slot in agility or be really bulky. Spa booster with its 500 slashes still acts as the "main" set for this mon, and we have seen AV and Specs pop up again this PL. Its weakness tends to be in its weakness to other top tiers :hoopaunbound: :garchomp: :volcanion: :volcarona: :garchomp: :roaring moon: and things like the LO prim set that makes it hard to slap on a team as "the fairy check", though you can ev it for something more akin to a 50/50. Run hyper beam on spa for better bolt it wins trust me.

:Pecharunt: God I hate this creature. Pecharunt is the togekiss of our generation where in theory it loses to a lot but it can just hax 90% of its checks into oblivion. In theory steels are its most consistent checks but even those can lose out to curse sets. It has a lot more set diversity than you would expect, and offensive sets can really put in work aside from their surprise factor. Its a pretty good check for a lot of dragons, doesnt lose to fairies much, and finessses common glues like volcanion. The primary thing holding it back is that theres a whole 3 mons out of the top 10 that lose to it, even when its farming most of the rest of the tier. Did you know volcarona runs fiery dance? Run it! It beats pecharunt!

:ursaluna: This mon has somewhat fallen off but its set diversity goes beyond just custap/band/av/orb. I think its one of the most flexible mons in terms of EV spreads. Physical vs Specially defensive sets both have their place in the meta and it can sometimes be a headache figuring out which one it is on preview. Speed investment, especially on flame orb sets also flip a lot of stuff into its favour. I want to re-mention taunt counter, which is still underused despite just how much it flips. It also has a great niche due to being one of the more consistent hoopa checks.

:Iron Valiant: It was sad to see WP val lose to max def sylv in finals but I think that set is a testament to just how much this mon can do. Between The hundred variatoins of EncDis, Band, Specs, Subversal (liechi, attack booster, and speed booster), and now WP, it can really switch up the details of its MU spread while maintaining its big matchups.

:primarina: There is nothing to be said about primarina that hasn't been said already. Just run timid LO more because that set is fire. Spdef specs is also great since you beat bolt and you can tech half the common checks with one of sitrus and kebia berry.

Note: Can we stop dooming about OMs/Natdex for no reason. People are having fun and playing pokemon, which is the reason we are on this site in the first place.
 
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