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Proposal Let me participate in SPL

I know a policy thread hates to see me coming.

*What I want to flag is that my signup wasn’t an attempt to game prices, manipulate an auction, or mislead anyone about availability. I'm being transparent: I don’t have the time/energy to start, and I don’t want to play games this year. At the same time, I still want to be involved in SPL in the way I can be involved: prep, building, scouting, and being active in team chats. That kind of support role has existed informally forever; plenty of people have effectively been drafted primarily for behind-the-scenes value, even if nobody said it out loud. See: Will of Fire, BluBird, et al.

*The problem is that the current rule treats “support-only” the same as bad-faith benching, even when 1) everyone involved knows the intent upfront, and 2) teams are explicitly willing to spend for that value. In my case, there’s also an awkward asymmetry: because I’m competent across tiers, there’s no “quiet” way to list a tier for subbing without it being read as potential playing intent, so full transparency becomes the thing that gets punished. I am quite literally being punished for historical competence when I just want to participate in the tournament as a bystander, like tens of people do every year. There are managers who are more than willing to buy me knowing that I do not wish to play.

*If the stance is “no support-only signups, period,” then okay, at least that’s consistent. But if we’re going to be consistent, it’s also hard to ignore that every year teams spend on bench slots that never touch the field. The difference is just whether the intent is stated plainly. Almost every team drafts their own jester. Vibes are important. And managers certainly do not trust or want a lot of these people to play even if they are signed up to do so.

*My proposal isn’t “let me break the rule.” It’s: create an explicit mechanism for support-only participation that doesn’t involve tier signups at all. Call it an advisor/consultant designation, make it clear they can’t be fielded, and let managers opt into that openly. That solves the “poisoning the well” concern while acknowledging the reality that SPL teams value prep and activity.

*If that’s not something TDs want, I’ll take the ruling and move on. Honestly, I think you should consider an exception for this year and rework sign-ups moving forward. I’m just asking that we recognize the actual gap here: the policy currently discourages honest communication and doesn’t really address the bench-value behavior it’s trying to target. This website already has retention issues, and this would help allow aging players like myself to participate in a way that feels decent. IMO JJ0LIE saying something to the effect of "I'm not available during the weekdays" while signing up to play is far more egregious of a price-fixing issue/case than me stating: hey I want to participate but I don't want to play at all.

*If you don't want to make a mechanism for this, at least let me participate, like this is actually really weird to me IMO and a misstep by the TDs. FYI no TD reached out to me prior to this decision being made to talk this out normally. I should have articulated this prior to my attempts but I did not think it would blow up like this. Eager to hear thoughts. I have played this tournament since SPL 4, and I am an honest actor here, like wtf? Thx.
 
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I know a policy thread hates to see me coming.

I get the clarification, and I understand why TDs don’t want managers signing up players who don't intend to play.

*What I want to flag is that my signup wasn’t an attempt to game prices, manipulate an auction, or mislead anyone about availability. I'm being transparent: I don’t have the time/energy to start, and I don’t want to play games this year. At the same time, I still want to be involved in SPL in the way I can be involved: prep, building, scouting, and being active in team chats. That kind of support role has existed informally forever; plenty of people have effectively been drafted primarily for behind-the-scenes value, even if nobody said it out loud. See: Will of Fire, BluBird, et al.
Why not just help teams for free then im sure if you dm managers they be fine inviting you to the server to help their players
 
1) let dice participate in spl, there's no poisoning of the well or whatever and plenty of people say tons of bullshit in commencement etc, dice was also one of the more honest actors here and punishing that is whack

2) do not endorse future cases with things like a dedicated support signup

3) if u don't want this to be replicated, and u don't want sv players tierlocking into rby or whatever to effectively sign up to substitute, nuke tierlocking

Excal consider this,
with sincerity
 
Not opposed to this proposal but I do feel like there will be some unintentional, indirect consequences of adding support-only sign-ups that should be addressed here.

First, there should be some sort of expected value from a purchase that a support slot complicates. Usually, drafting a player means that, at minimum, you are drafting someone willing to play the game for the length of the tournament outside of the weeks of foreseeable inactivity listed on their signup. It’s usually clear if a player is cancering/not contributing enough to the team and TDs can respond accordingly. A support slot doesn’t come with any of these guarantees and any attempt at measuring support activity gets complicated and hard to deal with. Also, it’s realistic for someone really wanting to support the Cryonicles to support less when drafted to the Bigs, even without any malicious intent.

I also think that the addition of a support slot would unintentionally make it harder for newer players to get involved in tournaments like SPL for two reasons. First, the currency spent on a top player bought purely for their support cannot be spent on a cheap, new player. We all like seeing 3k players pop off, but a proposal like this one takes away this opportunity for these newer players. Second, many newer players get involved in these tournaments by providing valuable support to a team that needs it, even if they went undrafted, leading them to getting drafted in future tournaments. By normalizing drafting exclusively support slots, fewer newer players will get the chance to make a name for themselves through their support.

I really don’t hate this idea and can see some value in including support-only sign-ups, especially if that means people will be more honest in their sign-up posts, but I personally don’t think it’s worth the risks outlined above. I’m also not a huge fan of barring dice from this SPL, since unofficial support slots have always existed and he’s realistically only being punished because he said that part out loud.
 
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Well i dont know if id feel worthy or anyone worthy to win any kind of reward if i dindt played any game. Id be fine helping any friend if they ask me to not because im expecting them to reward something back , i belive teamtours are similar thing .
Every basic ass bitch can get a super bowl ring when the team they work for wins. There is more to winning than actually playing, for a team tour. I feel like this is a problem that solves itself. If managers don’t think its worth drafting someone solely for support, then they will just not pay for that player. If they think its worth it… that’s on them. It’s their money to spend. I just don’t see why it would be an issue if the player signing up is transparent about their intentions of not wanting to play.
 
Dice getting banned in this SPL is just the monthly elephant in the room for the TD team LOL.

He basically signed up to be part of a team and contribute as he wants, literally the whole time we have this. When we are planning a team (from managerial perspective), its basic to consider taking players that we only want for general help on specific slots, do scoutings, tests, etc, and at times we are very sure we wont start these people in the whole tournament, there are roles to everyone. If a manager wanna spend 3-10k on a benchwarmer Dice thats down to contribute, then just let em do it and lets see if it works, he let everyone know about his intentions in a very transparent fashion. A winning team is not only made of elite starters and any player with simple experience knows how everyone can be revant in their way.

A possible issue would be having Dice pricefixing hard his ass, but its not like he added his main gens on his signup anyway.
 
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Hey, I found a way for you to get exactly what you want.


Maybe next year

(Seriously though, it is called player signups for a reason. You don't wanna play, but be on a team, manage...)
 
It doesnt work, there will be "support players" who will want to end up in X or Y team and if they get upbid by team Z then what ? They will not help and team Z will have lost money? It's hard enough to incentivize players to care, most players will not grief considering they are the ones playing and if they refuse to play they will be held responsible.
However nothing prevents support players from not supporting if they wish to and it'll be an absolute pain to deal with policy wise.
This is also just normalizing stupid shit like bidding 1c on your friend so he can get a trophy for free, some other team wanna upbid? Good for them they just lost some bucks. Also there would need to be a limit of support players? Lmao
Don't make your life worse, stick to the simple and fair concept of : you sign up to play the god damn game.

Oh and btw I'd apply this logic to managers if I were the one to choose but at least there's not bidding involved there so there's less room for collusion. And tier locking never made sense imo.

Edit: if the td team really wants to shoot themselves in the foot (which would be weird considering that they didnt gaf about any of my classic post) then at the very least make it so there would be 1-3 support slots introduced but you can't just add this like that out of nowhere, the rules dont allow it. I think it'd be a terrible idea though.
 
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Is there a problem with the idea of signing up with no tiers played? You could not play if you wanted to, but you're still held to the same expectations of activity. You'd do the same job for any team and everyone involved is perfectly aware, no pricefixing involved. The only logistics issue I see with this is the possibility that a team will be lacking in playable subs in an emergency (their fault really) or that they don't have enough players to field according to eligibility rules (which already can happen so I don't think it would be an issue).

sure, you can say "it's player signups and you're expected to be playing" but that's really just semantics, i would like to know if tds have a more specific reason why a binding support-only signup would be a bad idea
 
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