OU RBY OU Ladder / "Jank" Discussion Thread

[Eeveeto]

Nah, just introduce 30% Freeze Blizzard to actual RBY, let us Ice enjoyers have some fun.

 

[Soda_Eesti]

This has re-inforced to me that Japanese Blizzard is one of the most deranged decisions that has ever been made in all of human history.

From a competitive standpoint maybe. But RBY had that added insanely late. in a singleplayer game it should be fine i think?

 

[CrapAtRBY]

This has re-inforced to me that Japanese Blizzard is one of the most deranged decisions that has ever been made in all of human history.

We have 4 attacks that are the strongest unboosted special attacks in the game, Exeggutor's Solar Beam, Moltres' Fire Blast, Zapdos' Thunder and Articuno's Blizzard.

Solar Beam gets 100% accuracy and a charge turn
Fire Blast gets a 30% to burn and and 85% accuracy
Thunder gets a lowly 10% to paralyse and 70%??!!! accuracy
Blizzard gets a 30% to delete your opponent and 90% accuracy

We need a meta where Thunder gets 30% para chance and 90% accuracy, justice4Thunder

This has re-inforced to me that Japanese Blizzard is one of the most deranged decisions that has ever been made in all of human history.

We have 4 attacks that are the strongest unboosted special attacks in the game, Exeggutor's Solar Beam, Moltres' Fire Blast, Zapdos' Thunder and Articuno's Blizzard.

Solar Beam gets 100% accuracy and a charge turn
Fire Blast gets a 30% to burn and and 85% accuracy
Thunder gets a lowly 10% to paralyse and 70%??!!! accuracy
Blizzard gets a 30% to delete your opponent and 90% accuracy

We need a meta where Thunder gets 30% para chance and 90% accuracy, justice4Thunder

Sir?

 

[Sabelette]

Holy fuck dude how are you this committed to misapplying mathematics in order to demonstrate your lack of understanding of the game? You clearly don't have data supporting any sort of mathematical representation of the worth of sleep, you're clearly ignoring a LOT of the ways sleeping pokemon can bring value aside from waking and on top of that the "value of sleep" is so variable that quantifying it comes with so much uncertainty that it's a transparently stupid exercise for almost everyone. Your maths is honestly just bad as well, like I don't think that you've proven anything

The funny thing is none of those critiques are the greatest issue with your "analysis". It's that you're completely ignoring literally everything that goes into making a good lead aside from a single turn clicking a status move. How effectively does it block status? How effectively does it spread status? What does it do after turn 1? What are its defensive merits? If it trades status, what does the game state look like after this occurs? Are you going to ignore the fact that running a para lead is not incompatible with landing sleep? Your analysis is so myopic it's embarrassing.

Also as said much more eloquently by Amaranth, pokemon is not chess. This comparison is stupid.

I'm so sick of seeing this spam

edit: sorry for being rude, but these posts are genuinely infuriating

Yeah I’m gonna make the executive decision that posting bad math will no longer be allowed nor will we be explaining why it’s wrong; it’ll just be deleted and infracted so this thread doesn’t devolve into mindless spam of questionable numbers