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something that i think everyone needs to understand about pronouns as a whole is that in english theyre a form of gender expression, and with neopronouns in particular, theyre just a form of that gender expression beyond the strict spectrum of gender that most people have understanding of, but as a result, are basically only used in the most online of spaces where everyone understands that expression. ik i just put that very bluntly, so by no means do i want to diminish anyone who finds comfort in them because i think thats great for them, im glad you feel this way and more importantly that theres people who you can talk to about yourself in this way, gender truly is a fuck after all and express it however makes you feel best. its just that we do have to acknowledge that like 99.5% of people in the english language wont rly understand anything thats not he/she/they (and some of these people have trouble grasping singular they mind you). in any case, most of these people would have no idea what youre trying to convey when you use neopronouns to describe someone, does it mean closer to masculine or feminine traits, or something entirely beyond that spectrum? could there be a neopronoun that would feel more comfy to me than she/her? idk maybe, but where would i use that if im not in any spaces with people that understand what it means? thats my personal gripe with them for my own self which i understand that others wouldnt have and thats perfectly ok.

the reason i mention in the english language multiple times is that pronouns and gender expression in different languages can just be extremely different lmao. like some languages they dont rly have gendered pronouns, i know in hindi, gender is mainly expressed in other ways like following particles such ka, ke, and ki for example instead of the pronouns. other languages may have many different kinds of pronouns that are masculine, feminine, neutral, and then also used in different social situations. japanese is an example where even the first-person pronouns have like 5 different commonly used pronouns depending on the aforementioned situations i describe (watashi, atashi, uchi, ore, boku). anyone who actually knows japanese and isnt loading their knowledge from consuming games and anime can prob tell in more detail lol but i guess the point im getting here is that gender expression can be very different depending on what language youre speaking, and in a sense, the idea of neopronouns in the context of multiple pronouns for masc/fem/neutral arent wholly new. i know i kind of transformed this post from talking about neopronouns to just pronouns in diff languages but i think looking at diff languages can help understand how they communicate gender, which i think also helps with understanding neopronouns. like bloody hell if someone wanted to use a diff first-person pronoun for themselves since they feel more comfy with it, go ahead thats awesome for you ive no reason to diminish your comfort in that.
It brings tears of joy to my face seeing people talk about gendered pronouns and how anyone can use them whenever they want to, and not stereotyping them. Like damn, if someone wants to use They/them or He/Him because it makes them more comfortable then let them smfh.

Also as far as Japanese pronouns go, Boku and Ore are masc, Atashi is feminine, and Watashi and uchi are gender neutral, though Uchi is mostly used with people you’re close to, be it friends or family iirc.
 
So I think the Genie might have misunderstood me.
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This isn't what I meant when I said I want tits.

Also it pooped on my sleeve :(
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hey tbh I'm kinda lost now. I'm transgender (MTF) and a week ago I make my coming out to my parents they accepted but I talked with my mom about that and now I don't feel accepted by my parents but more like they accept like it's the basic choice with my mom we talked about my transition and she was kinda shock like she don't want to loose "his son" and she can't accept who I am. I know transidentity is a new topic for them, they know anything about that and when I make my coming out I didn't have big expectations but now I have this bad feeling that I'm more a stranger to them like they have a lot of difficulty to accept who I am and my transition gonna destroy our last bond. (sorry I'm very bad at english it's not my main language and I have a lot of diffilcuties when I make big text)
 
I just found this while looking around forums and the pokemon community being so LGBTQ+ friendly is so awesome to me.
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hey tbh I'm kinda lost now. I'm transgender (MTF) and a week ago I make my coming out to my parents they accepted but I talked with my mom about that and now I don't feel accepted by my parents but more like they accept like it's the basic choice with my mom we talked about my transition and she was kinda shock like she don't want to loose "his son" and she can't accept who I am. I know transidentity is a new topic for them, they know anything about that and when I make my coming out I didn't have big expectations but now I have this bad feeling that I'm more a stranger to them like they have a lot of difficulty to accept who I am and my transition gonna destroy our last bond. (sorry I'm very bad at english it's not my main language and I have a lot of diffilcuties when I make big text)
Try to explain to your dad, if he can't accept who you are thats totally his fault and you shouldn't blame yourself, nor consider hiding away that part of you
 
I just found this while looking around forums and the pokemon community being so LGBTQ+ friendly is so awesome to me.
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Try to explain to your dad, if he can't accept who you are thats totally his fault and you shouldn't blame yourself, nor consider hiding away that part of you
Tbf i don't think my dad care about that like if it's not relate to school that's useless for him he know but that's all
 
Hello everybody, my name is Nio! I am a pansexual and transgender (FtM) Pokémon nerd! I have MANY other labels but those are just the two I use whenever I introduce myself to people! :D
I'm new here and don't really know how everything works! Heh... I am excited to make a bunch of new friends! ^^
Anyways here's me yapping about xenogenders/neopronouns!^^
I really don't understand why a lot of people make such a big fuss over xenogenders and neopronouns, especially people who are like "Im not a transphobe, but I don't think these xenogenders/neopronouns are valid!" Like dude, who cares? Unless it ACTUALLY is a PROBLEMATIC xenogender (which there aren't very many of) what's the problem? At the end of the day, xenogenders and neopronouns are just labels and words on a screen/paper! Many people, ESPECIALLY neurodivergent folks, use xenogender(s) to help better explain, define, and/or understand their gender better! And NO, a catgender person doesn't actually identify as a cat! (unless they are an alterhuman and use catgender as a kingender) They use cats and/or their silly, aloof, curious, fluffy nature to better explain and understand their gender! And with neopronouns, I hate it when people go "I'm fine with they/them pronouns, but I am NOT going to use it/its, ze/xyr, star/starself for someone!" Why not? They're just the labels that said person WANTS to go by, it really isn't that hard to use someone's chosen name/pronouns! People also put up a lot of fuss over term hoarders, xenohoarders, and pronoun hoarders! "I'm ok with someone using a few xenogenders/labels, but whenever someone is using 10-100+ labels/xenogenders/pronouns, that's absurd!" (Sorry if you don't like swear words" Who gives a shit if someone uses 10 or even over 100 labels? That's just how they identify! You may still not understand and/or accept xenogenders and/or neopronouns, and you don't have to understand or accept them! But just leave us alone! We don't hurt you, so why go out of your way to spread hate and nasty comments about someone all because of how they identify?
 
Hello everybody, my name is Nio! I am a pansexual and transgender (FtM) Pokémon nerd! I have MANY other labels but those are just the two I use whenever I introduce myself to people! :D
I'm new here and don't really know how everything works! Heh... I am excited to make a bunch of new friends! ^^
Anyways here's me yapping about xenogenders/neopronouns!^^
I really don't understand why a lot of people make such a big fuss over xenogenders and neopronouns, especially people who are like "Im not a transphobe, but I don't think these xenogenders/neopronouns are valid!" Like dude, who cares? Unless it ACTUALLY is a PROBLEMATIC xenogender (which there aren't very many of) what's the problem? At the end of the day, xenogenders and neopronouns are just labels and words on a screen/paper! Many people, ESPECIALLY neurodivergent folks, use xenogender(s) to help better explain, define, and/or understand their gender better! And NO, a catgender person doesn't actually identify as a cat! (unless they are an alterhuman and use catgender as a kingender) They use cats and/or their silly, aloof, curious, fluffy nature to better explain and understand their gender! And with neopronouns, I hate it when people go "I'm fine with they/them pronouns, but I am NOT going to use it/its, ze/xyr, star/starself for someone!" Why not? They're just the labels that said person WANTS to go by, it really isn't that hard to use someone's chosen name/pronouns! People also put up a lot of fuss over term hoarders, xenohoarders, and pronoun hoarders! "I'm ok with someone using a few xenogenders/labels, but whenever someone is using 10-100+ labels/xenogenders/pronouns, that's absurd!" (Sorry if you don't like swear words" Who gives a shit if someone uses 10 or even over 100 labels? That's just how they identify! You may still not understand and/or accept xenogenders and/or neopronouns, and you don't have to understand or accept them! But just leave us alone! We don't hurt you, so why go out of your way to spread hate and nasty comments about someone all because of how they identify?
I agree with what you say here, my favorite saying is that mostly anything is okay as long as it doesn't hurt you or anyone else in any way
I do think that transphobia, and phobia of this stuff (idk what you'd call it ) is mostly rooted in fear. 14 yo me was like, really transphobic, and it was mostly because I was fed A LOT of the lies about trans people. It kinda made me like afraid of the whole concept
After I realized I was a queer and I actually matured I realized it's not that strange
So alot of this is rooted in unnecessary fear of new things.
ALSO, alot of people dislike them because they "ruin the identity of trans people" I don't really get this one, but I have a friend who believes it's too far and makes the transphobes think every trans person wants to be a cat or whatever.

In the end... I still have no idea what half of what you said is. But yes I agree
 
I agree with what you say here, my favorite saying is that mostly anything is okay as long as it doesn't hurt you or anyone else in any way
I do think that transphobia, and phobia of this stuff (idk what you'd call it ) is mostly rooted in fear. 14 yo me was like, really transphobic, and it was mostly because I was fed A LOT of the lies about trans people. It kinda made me like afraid of the whole concept
After I realized I was a queer and I actually matured I realized it's not that strange
So alot of this is rooted in unnecessary fear of new things.
ALSO, alot of people dislike them because they "ruin the identity of trans people" I don't really get this one, but I have a friend who believes it's too far and makes the transphobes think every trans person wants to be a cat or whatever.

In the end... I still have no idea what half of what you said is. But yes I agree
I totally agree with you here!^^
I do agree that a lot of the lies spread about the transgender and xenogender community is purely based on fear and the own lies that a lot of transphobes and homophobes were fed on as a kid! I also remember being pretty young and a lot of my friends at the time saying that transgender people and non-binary people were demonic, along with the therian and otherkin communtities. A lot of misinformation about these communities and topics can also be impacted by culture and religion/beliefs, ever since I was very young I was my grandparents on my dad's side of the family were very homophobic and said that queer and trans people went against god, which isn't true at all.
It really sucks on how much these communities and the LGBTQIA+ community as a whole is mistreated based on fear and lies :<
 
I totally agree with you here!^^
I do agree that a lot of the lies spread about the transgender and xenogender community is purely based on fear and the own lies that a lot of transphobes and homophobes were fed on as a kid! I also remember being pretty young and a lot of my friends at the time saying that transgender people and non-binary people were demonic, along with the therian and otherkin communtities. A lot of misinformation about these communities and topics can also be impacted by culture and religion/beliefs, ever since I was very young I was my grandparents on my dad's side of the family were very homophobic and said that queer and trans people went against god, which isn't true at all.
It's literally not even in the bible. And even if it was that's a bs excuse for hate. If a god hates love and self expression he's NOT my god. (I'm atheist but still)
It really sucks on how much these communities and the LGBTQIA+ community as a whole is mistreated based on fear and lies :<
I know. It sucks sm. I hope there's a place one day I can actually be myself irl and not confined to online spaces lol
Cos the world is so hostile to us
 
Hello everybody, my name is Nio! I am a pansexual and transgender (FtM) Pokémon nerd! I have MANY other labels but those are just the two I use whenever I introduce myself to people! :D
I'm new here and don't really know how everything works! Heh... I am excited to make a bunch of new friends! ^^
Anyways here's me yapping about xenogenders/neopronouns!^^
I really don't understand why a lot of people make such a big fuss over xenogenders and neopronouns, especially people who are like "Im not a transphobe, but I don't think these xenogenders/neopronouns are valid!" Like dude, who cares? Unless it ACTUALLY is a PROBLEMATIC xenogender (which there aren't very many of) what's the problem? At the end of the day, xenogenders and neopronouns are just labels and words on a screen/paper! Many people, ESPECIALLY neurodivergent folks, use xenogender(s) to help better explain, define, and/or understand their gender better! And NO, a catgender person doesn't actually identify as a cat! (unless they are an alterhuman and use catgender as a kingender) They use cats and/or their silly, aloof, curious, fluffy nature to better explain and understand their gender! And with neopronouns, I hate it when people go "I'm fine with they/them pronouns, but I am NOT going to use it/its, ze/xyr, star/starself for someone!" Why not? They're just the labels that said person WANTS to go by, it really isn't that hard to use someone's chosen name/pronouns! People also put up a lot of fuss over term hoarders, xenohoarders, and pronoun hoarders! "I'm ok with someone using a few xenogenders/labels, but whenever someone is using 10-100+ labels/xenogenders/pronouns, that's absurd!" (Sorry if you don't like swear words" Who gives a shit if someone uses 10 or even over 100 labels? That's just how they identify! You may still not understand and/or accept xenogenders and/or neopronouns, and you don't have to understand or accept them! But just leave us alone! We don't hurt you, so why go out of your way to spread hate and nasty comments about someone all because of how they identify?
they seem weird to most people (tbf i can see why they seem weird even if i'm somewhat used to them by now, i hope this doesn't come across as me saying the hate is valid i'm just saying i can somewhat understand why they'd be weird to most people) and unfortunately a lot of people make fun of things they don't understand which is why neopronouns/xenogenders get clowned on a lot.
 
they seem weird to most people (tbf i can see why they seem weird even if i'm somewhat used to them by now, i hope this doesn't come across as me saying the hate is valid i'm just saying i can somewhat understand why they'd be weird to most people) and unfortunately a lot of people make fun of things they don't understand which is why neopronouns/xenogenders get clowned on a lot.
Tbh it doesn't seem weird to me, but I do kinda get people like, not really using said pronouns sometimes because it's a lot to remember xd
 
Honestly, my take on it is that I may not necessarily understand why some people go for Neopronouns/use it/its as a pronoun, but regardless, I'll respect it anyways, simply because it was never my goddamn call to make whatsoever, and to insist otherwise is blatant bullshit; though I also don't really get why people use one pronoun exclusively and insists you call them that, because it's the only one that matches their gender, even though to me, I think of myself as a girl exclusively, I use Any pronouns, since pronouns don't have to reflect who I am and how I view myself

And I don't mind how anyone view themself by their gender, do they feel like a cisgender man/woman? Idc, let them have it, are they something outside of it that does or doesn't have a term to describe what they are? it's also completely fine too, though I don't really understand when someone that's part of the queer community, ends up insisting that someone shouldn't use pronouns that they don't agree with, simply because they don't like that, but that's extremely counterproductive, no one should have to put up with that whatsoever

It really is badass to set what your gender as, on how you view it, and no one else having any influence over it
 
Honestly, my take on it is that I may not necessarily understand why some people go for Neopronouns/use it/its as a pronoun
Omg true I never got this one. It feels dehumanizing. But yea, its not MY RIGHT to EVER control what others do. some ppl don't get that tho
I also don't really get why people use one pronoun exclusively and insists you call them that, because it's the only one that matches their gender, even though to me, I think of myself as a girl exclusively, I use Any pronouns, since pronouns don't have to reflect who I am and how I view myself
I mean tbh it just makes people more comfortable, like I'm sort of genderfluid and mostly like they or she. But its not the end of the world if someone calls me anything else like its kinda just a label
 
I think xenogenders are interesting. I'm not personally familiar with anyone who uses them so I can only look at them through a narrow lense.
Perhaps I should clarify that I wholeheartedly agree with this:
At the end of the day, xenogenders and neopronouns are just labels and words on a screen/paper!
I am of the oppinion that gender is just a social construct. Thus, there is no rigid definition of any gender and people have very different ideas of certain genders without any of them being objectively right.
However, in most societies there is a somewhat agreed upon binary definition of gender. (Many people have many different views, but they tend to intersect at certain points.)
The logical consequence is that there are individuals which don't fit this binary system. They are non-binary.
Once you identify yourself as prurely non-binary, you haven't exactly made a statement about your gender. Many people actually prefer that. Others would like to explicitely free themselves of gender labels and identify as agender.
However, there are also people who find comfort in having a label that describes them. I think this is the reason that some people identify as (a) xenogender.
The only "issue" (if you want to call it that) is that xenogenders aren't widely known. You yourself might know what your label means and how it applies to you, but others will often not. As a result, your gender doesn't usually convey much information about you (to the uninitiated).

Personally, I'm fine with identifying as a woman. Other people might have other ideas of who is or isn't a woman and what exactly being a woman implies, but I don't care. Even if you label yourself as agender or with a xenogender, people will still try to put you in a box and apply steriotypes to you. It's just how our brains work.
 
Wow! So many different people with different views and beliefs on a certain topic and having a CIVILIZED conversation! :O
In all seriousness tho, I had no idea that me just yapping about something would spark this big of a conversation (Or whatever you call this)
 
i think calling things "not that deep" is generally really misguided and even harmful in a lot of scenarios, but as far as what pronouns other people are using/want to be referred to as, it's really not that deep. i just don't think it matters what pronouns someone uses— it/its, ze/xyr were some of the examples cited— i will refer to people respectfully in the way(s) that they wish to be addressed.

however what is that deep is the tendency that we have to strictly categorize and identify every single niche way of being queer. i think it's kind of cringe, to be honest. i don't think we need to split everything down into such distinct categorization and try and fit everyone into neat little queer boxes— real life just doesn't work like that. people have really complicated and varied relationships with their gender and i think to distill your gender expression and/or sexual orientation down to words is really cringe.

i feel like these labels only exist to other us— that they trap and cause harm to us more than they actually help us. of course there's legitimate utility to phrases like gay, bi, trans, les, etc etc because there are genuinely a lot of instances where communicating who you're attracted to or that you're trans/GNC is essential, but i feel like the overall mechanism of these labels beyond the base concepts is only a byproduct of living in a cishet society.

part of my opinion on this probably goes hand in hand with my own gender expression— i'm amab, but i don't necessarily identify as a man or exclusively use masculine pronouns. i don't really care how i'm addressed or how other people perceive my gender identity— i just live as myself. i think shopping around for labels has been a big pain point for a lot of my brethren. it's like there's this idea that we need to fit snugly into one specific identity— to the point that even fluid identities just feel like rigid boxes to me.

i'm definitely more of a lurker in pkpcord but every once in a while i'll see someone in one of the venting channels asking other people about how they should identify themselves or worrying that their own identity is less legitimate because they don't fit all of the criteria associated with that identity. i said this earlier, but people really do have complicated relationships with their queerness, and i think our tendency to attempt to categorize every niche subidentity is only a symptom of living in a society where queer identity is not understood or accepted. i think we should be more focused on uniting as a queer community than fretting about perceptions and categorizations.

i truly strive to be nothing but unabashadly myself in all moments of my life— and i will be, irregardless of any labels that one could put on me.
 
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