kinda talking myself back out of it
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NOC Everchanging Mafia - Game thread - Day 3!
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the issue is if its not airc i dont know where to point my vote
wait like d3 is not the deciding day, and that 1 vote probably isnt gonna be the difference right, so the scumteam doesnt need that mayor rn, as opposed to maybe a later day? idk
thats my gut too honestly; i really dislike bliz’s chainsaw defense of ecat and the twist of the logic to turn that into peum scum feels untowny to me
so who do you think the last 2 members would be hypothetically, i think its probbaly gonna be like 2 afks right
my poe atm outside of those two is ecat phoopes pulsar dbd so two of those i reckon
Scum don't get to just sit on mayor forever though. If they get passed Mayor on D2 they have to pass it to SOMEONE on D3. If they pass it to town it will likely not come back to them.
Can someone please explain to me wtf this phrase means and why people keep telling me that I did something wrong by defending a person that, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, the rest of the thread later decided was also townie? With nothing that happened in between, other than "people slept on it"
I have very clearly articulated my logic for suspecting Peum yesterday and like you can just say "it's a twist of logic" but I don't see how that is any different from anyone arguing anything based on any logic
Do you have a reason to believe that half of the scum team is AFK?
The issue is that it's like the third time someone said that this game and every time the active players were different
I have work in five hours and I do not feel particularly inspired by the current state of the thread, so I'm just going to post some reads and dip.
This list is not exhaustive but I've been typing for an hour and at this point I just need to go the fuck to sleep. I am 100% sure people are going to tunnel me off of this because I changed my mind on some things and also left out some players I had a notable opinion on before. Deal with it lol, as I said if I lose sleep it's bad for the children :) Also tbc I have four people in my scum core but I'm not prideful enough to think I have actually solved the game rn; this is just my current working theory and I feel like I probably have several scum in there if not 4 for 4.
-- Town core --
Vishy Fishy: Obvtown, anyone who seriously suspected this at any point is either smoking something or they're scum lol
-- Probably town --
Peum: Obviously I suspected them for a while, but after talking to them and hearing their thoughts on stuff besides ECat I've come around. Scum Peum probably could have gotten away with continuing to tunnel ECat when it became clear that ECat was not getting lynched, but that's not what happened. I'm not sure they really fit into any of the scum cores I'm considering, either.
-- Above average town --
a fairy: tbh, she seems very defeatist as town and more active/take charge as scum. I don't want to put too much stock into that, because it's a very easy town meta to play as scum. That being said, I also can't help but notice that she seems to be a unanimous scumread, which usually does not actually happen to scum. The fact that she hasn't really been in serious contention for the lynch does give me some pause though, because "everyone lowkey scumreads them but nobody is trying to lynch them" can be a scum tell imo.
-- Scum core --
AirC: I feel like they are playing very similarly to WikiMafia, where they were scum with me. Otoh before they got replaced out last game they seemed to be playing pretty differently, and not differently like "they didn't have the time to dedicate to the game," I mean like they seemed to be putting in significantly MORE effort to me. The impression that I get this game is that AirC is trying to come off like they're not very confident in their abilities or understanding of the game, which I don't really buy.
Evie: Not liking the above post which I 100% read as just incoherently parroting the received wisdom of "Bliz is bad because chainsaw defense + Peum town." I was kinda neutral before but I haven't seen them really doing any scumhunting on their own. Celever was also suspicious of them popping in to vote for me yesterday. Mitigating this a bit: the options they were weighing were both town anyway, and I think if you were scum in that situation you probably would not pop in with such a weaksauce justification as "I like bliz less than Miyami because I have not read Miyami's posts." But I could still see it as scum looking for a reason to pick one of the two wagons. It also helps that it's the wagon that was not chosen; if the scum coordinated to ensure it went to Miyami, then Evie could have been distancing from that. That would track with a scum team including phoopes, who voted for Miyami. In fact, given the hectic nature of EOD, it might make sense for scum to just split on the two town wagons, that way they don't get overexposed by piling on one.
Phoopes: I was already sus on him when I got off yesterday. The combinations of Phoopes+DBD and Phoopes+Evie both makes way too much sense to me, which is pushing him further down here.
DBD: It really just feels to me like DBD is not trying to scumhunt this game. I still don't follow the logic of "ECat is definitely town but my #1 scumread (seemingly) is the person who was defending them, because I don't like that they were defending them." Like in post 1540 he literally lays out the argument of "Peum's logic for ECat being scum is not good, and ECat leaving thread after dogpiling makes way more sense as town than scum" -- but when I lay out that argument it's a chainsaw defense ig. He also apparently does not townread Peum, but again when I sus Peum that's bad! And this is slightly circular, since one part of the reason I scumread phoopes is the association here; but I just think giving the mayorship to Phoopes is sus. There were certainly better options. Celever was a valid target at the time, if I understand correctly. DBD clearly townreads ECat quite strongly too.
##Vote: Evie The only one of those four I'm not super jazzed about voting is Phoopes, just bc I feel like my read on him is more based on vibes and him seeming to make sense as teamed with some of my other choices. Evie is definitely my #1 choice here though.
This list is not exhaustive but I've been typing for an hour and at this point I just need to go the fuck to sleep. I am 100% sure people are going to tunnel me off of this because I changed my mind on some things and also left out some players I had a notable opinion on before. Deal with it lol, as I said if I lose sleep it's bad for the children :) Also tbc I have four people in my scum core but I'm not prideful enough to think I have actually solved the game rn; this is just my current working theory and I feel like I probably have several scum in there if not 4 for 4.
-- Town core --
Vishy Fishy: Obvtown, anyone who seriously suspected this at any point is either smoking something or they're scum lol
-- Probably town --
Peum: Obviously I suspected them for a while, but after talking to them and hearing their thoughts on stuff besides ECat I've come around. Scum Peum probably could have gotten away with continuing to tunnel ECat when it became clear that ECat was not getting lynched, but that's not what happened. I'm not sure they really fit into any of the scum cores I'm considering, either.
-- Above average town --
a fairy: tbh, she seems very defeatist as town and more active/take charge as scum. I don't want to put too much stock into that, because it's a very easy town meta to play as scum. That being said, I also can't help but notice that she seems to be a unanimous scumread, which usually does not actually happen to scum. The fact that she hasn't really been in serious contention for the lynch does give me some pause though, because "everyone lowkey scumreads them but nobody is trying to lynch them" can be a scum tell imo.
-- Scum core --
AirC: I feel like they are playing very similarly to WikiMafia, where they were scum with me. Otoh before they got replaced out last game they seemed to be playing pretty differently, and not differently like "they didn't have the time to dedicate to the game," I mean like they seemed to be putting in significantly MORE effort to me. The impression that I get this game is that AirC is trying to come off like they're not very confident in their abilities or understanding of the game, which I don't really buy.
Evie: Not liking the above post which I 100% read as just incoherently parroting the received wisdom of "Bliz is bad because chainsaw defense + Peum town." I was kinda neutral before but I haven't seen them really doing any scumhunting on their own. Celever was also suspicious of them popping in to vote for me yesterday. Mitigating this a bit: the options they were weighing were both town anyway, and I think if you were scum in that situation you probably would not pop in with such a weaksauce justification as "I like bliz less than Miyami because I have not read Miyami's posts." But I could still see it as scum looking for a reason to pick one of the two wagons. It also helps that it's the wagon that was not chosen; if the scum coordinated to ensure it went to Miyami, then Evie could have been distancing from that. That would track with a scum team including phoopes, who voted for Miyami. In fact, given the hectic nature of EOD, it might make sense for scum to just split on the two town wagons, that way they don't get overexposed by piling on one.
Phoopes: I was already sus on him when I got off yesterday. The combinations of Phoopes+DBD and Phoopes+Evie both makes way too much sense to me, which is pushing him further down here.
DBD: It really just feels to me like DBD is not trying to scumhunt this game. I still don't follow the logic of "ECat is definitely town but my #1 scumread (seemingly) is the person who was defending them, because I don't like that they were defending them." Like in post 1540 he literally lays out the argument of "Peum's logic for ECat being scum is not good, and ECat leaving thread after dogpiling makes way more sense as town than scum" -- but when I lay out that argument it's a chainsaw defense ig. He also apparently does not townread Peum, but again when I sus Peum that's bad! And this is slightly circular, since one part of the reason I scumread phoopes is the association here; but I just think giving the mayorship to Phoopes is sus. There were certainly better options. Celever was a valid target at the time, if I understand correctly. DBD clearly townreads ECat quite strongly too.
##Vote: Evie The only one of those four I'm not super jazzed about voting is Phoopes, just bc I feel like my read on him is more based on vibes and him seeming to make sense as teamed with some of my other choices. Evie is definitely my #1 choice here though.
I deeply disagree that it's NAI
I really don't like your read on me because I felt like
I'm having internet issues why did it send that
My POV is that there is a reason to do it as town and a reason to do it as scum. I don't want to say what the logic is for either tho bc I want to hear the person who did it claim first
Blizihguh this is chainsaw defending, the reason I think its scummy in your case in particular is because, as town, you don’t know the alignment of either ecat or peum. It’s entirely logical as town to see someone make an explicitly anti-town play and push that, even tunnel it depending on how explicitly anti-town it is. Thus to see someone do just that and then conclude that if ecat is town peum is almost 100% scum is a complete slip in logic that really doesnt follow from the premises.
With regards to eod2, I was getting drunk at a concert and had 5 minutes to read back and post. Better than ghosting the thread entirely.
we're never hearing about this tracker didnt claim yesterday neither
really weird contradiction here with how you say im parroting (im not) and then you go and try and parrot an opinion I dont think celever would have even had
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