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What is the most “neglected” Starter Pokémon of all time?

bdt2002

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First partner Pokémon… uh, yeah, no, I’m not calling them that, are some of the most iconic new Pokémon introduced with each new generation pretty much by default. They’re often some of the first new Pokémon to be revealed outright, and it’s very rare for a new set of three to not have at least one option you won’t at least consider interesting. (Hey, I never said you have to like all of them.) Unfortunately, or at least I find it unfortunate, it’s fairly common for individual Pokémon or even entire trios to receive more or less preferential treatment over time. The design philosophy around starter Pokémon has changed significantly over time, and with a notable portion of the fanbase regularly getting sick of all of the Charizards and Greninjas of the world, I thought it would be fun to look at the opposite side of the coin for a change. Rather than ask who the starters with the most preferential treatment, I wanted to try and find out which of these are the most ignored and passed over by The Pokémon Company, Nintendo, and Game Freak historically, in an effort to give these Pokémon the appreciation they deserve.

Before I reveal my own picks for this topic, I wanted to briefly go over the history of starter Pokémon in terms of development philosophy. The first two generations of starter Pokémon were purposely made relatively balanced for the times, and there’s a noticeable “I specialize in two specific stats” trend to be found amongst the Kanto and Johto rosters. In Gen 1, this was only one stat, however, which indirectly benefited the Bulbasaur family the most as their selected “base 100 stat” was in Special, as opposed to Charizard’s Speed and Blastoise’s Defense. The third generation would be the first one to really innovate on what a starter Pokémon evolution family could be, both in terms of their more specialized base stats and five of the six fully evolved options from Hoenn and Sinnoh having dual typings as opposed to only Venusaur and Charizard prior. Gen 3 would also be where the starter Pokémon Abilities were naturally introduced, and overall, it seemed like from Gens 1 through 4, the developers were becoming increasingly aware of how to design and balance starter Pokémon for both single player and multiplayer environments.

So of course Gen 5 had to come along and ruin everything. Gen 5 is the generation I consider as the official cutoff line for starter Pokémon being designed in such a way that I like to call… not good. At first things seem fairly inoffensive- if anything, the Unova stayers without their Hidden Abilities are one of the weakest trios we’ve seen so far. But therein lies the problem- starter Pokémon were no longer being designed for the sake of making a quality product. Gen 5 started things off with Hidden Abilities and the unprecedented decision to give the Torchic family and Ability like Speed Boost, then Gen 6 followed this up with Mega Evolutions, then Gen 7 with Z-Moves, and finally in Gens 8 and 9 with Gigantamax forms and more regional variants (PLA) and Mega Evolutions (ZA). Furthermore, every single fully evolved starter Pokémon since Gen 6 has had access to some kind of a signature move, with the moves in Gens 7 and 8 being on the stronger end before the Paldea region said “it’s Torching time” and proceeded to Torch Song all over the place, to say nothing of Grass-Type Wicked Blow and Quaquaval’s combination of Moxie and Aqua Step.

In my opinion, starter Pokémon design philosophy peaked from Gens 2 to 4, a specific time frame after Gen 1’s jank and singular Special stat but still before Hidden Abilities and generational gimmicks made the idea of Broken Starters a reality to the public. When I started looking at which starter Pokémon the developers have passed over the most up to this point in time, these are the three I would choose, one for each Type for the sake of keeping things interesting:

:sv/turtwig: :sv/fennekin: :sv/sobble:

Turtwig is by far the most neglected starter Pokémon in my eyes and this really stings for me, since the whole family has some of my favorite designs out of the Grass-Type selections and turtles and tortoises being my favorite animals. Not to mention, fully evolving at only Level 32 and learning Earthquake in a generation before infinite TMs is simply awesome. Unfortunately, this family has received next to nothing over time and it’s taken until Gen 9 for Torterra to not be considered the consensus worst of its trio in competitive play, and even then it’s only tied with a buffed Empoleon in Gen 9 RU at the time of writing this. While Grass/Ground is an impressively underrated STAB combination, the typing does surprisingly little for Torterra defensively and after the aforementioned Empoleon buffs, Shell Armor is almost certainly the worst Hidden Ability selection among these three. As a matter of fact, the Turtwig family is so slow that it sometimes still can’t outspeed key targets even after a Rock Polish or Shell Smash, the latter being a move it received too little too late in my opinion.

Fennekin and Sobble haven’t been as neglected as Turtwig has, and Fennekin did get a notable boost to its profile with Mega Delphox’s introduction, but outside of Gen 6 and Kalos themed media specifically I still believe it to be the most passed over out of what I consider to be the least neglected of the three Starter types. Seriously, name a time between 2016 and 2025 when you saw this family in anything outside of a spinoff game. Pretty much every Fire-Type family has something now. Even the Chimchar family, who I also considered for this spot, has a formerly signature Ability as its Hidden Ability albeit not as broken as Blaziken’s attempt at such. Sobble rounds out the trio as our newest member here, so it hasn’t had the time to develop as much of a reputation as Turtwig and Fennekin, but I still selected this over Oshawott on account of Hisuian Samurott being arguably the best of the Hisuian roster, though if you’d like to count Unovan Samurott separately than that would probably be my pick over Inteleon due to the Gigantamax form. Even so, it’s clear Sobble’s family drew the short end of the stick compared to the excellent Abilities of Grassy Surge and Libero.

That’s all I have to explain. But what do you guys think? Have any other options I might have missed? If I get around to it, I’m also going to post a Tier List ranking every Grass, Fire, and Water starter Pokémon from Gens 1 through 9, seeing as an announcement for Gen 10 is rumored to be coming any day now, based on how much preferential treatment they have received. I hope this thread is able to raise awareness and appreciation for people’s overlooked favorites.

Edit: I decided last minute that I also wanted to give a shoutout to Hisuian Decidueye specifically, because even if Rowlet’s family and regular Alolan Decidueye definitely aren’t in contention for a top- or I guess it would be bottom placement in this instance- it’s still surprising to me how Hisuian Decidueye was treated compared to the other Hisuian starters. It’s actually slower (base 60) than Alolan Decidueye who already clocks in at a sluggish base 70, shares a typing with another Hisuian regional variant in the much faster and arguably more dangerous Lilligant, who also comes packing a physical Quiver Dance clone for a signature boosting move, and doesn’t have much in the way of standing out over the first of two consecutive Fire/Ghosts and Hisuian Samurott’s Ceaseless Edge. Speaking of, it generally can’t even win against Hisuian Samurott head-to-head in a competitive setting since it can either outspeed and pivot out with Flip Turn or smack it with a Sharpness boosted Aerial Ace for what’s effectively 6x super effective damage, not unlike an Ice Beam Empoleon against a Torterra.

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Really don't think the Fennekin line can be counted as neglected. It was prominent during the XY era of the anime and Braixen was playable in Pokkén Tournament. Chespin is a much more obvious pick from that generation since it's the only Kalos starter to not take off in any way.

I feel like Popplio has never been pushed that hard? Anime enjoyers can correct me here, but it's always come across to me as significantly less exposed than the Litten line or Rowlet (just Rowlet specifically lol).
 
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Really don't think the Fennekin line can be counted as neglected. It was prominent during the XY era of the anime and Braixen was playable in Pokkén Tournament. Chespin is a much more obvious pick from that generation since it's the only Kalos starter to not take off in any way.

I feel like Popplio has never been pushed that hard? Anime enjoyers can correct me here, but it's always come across to me as significantly less exposed than the Litten line or Rowlet (just Rowlet specifically lol).
Me picking Fennekin for the Fire slot is less case of Fennekin’s family actually being neglected and more of a result of Fire simply not having that many good options. Charmander, Torchic and Chimchar to a lesser extent are self explanatory, Litten and Scorbunny turn into competitive powerhouses, Tepig also just got a Mega and was part of the infamous Fire/Fighting Era, Fuecoco’s Roy’s main Pokémon in the anime and Skeledirge shares its typing with Hisuian Typhlosion. The difference between Fennekin and many of those other Pokémon is that Fennekin almost immediately stops being relevant outside of its own generation and/or region, but I can respect the difference in opinion. I agree that Chespin is arguably even more overlooked than Fennekin, but I already had my Grass pick in Turtwig.

As for Popplio, while it’s definitely the least iconic of its trio, Primarina actually does a fair amount of heavy lifting for the family. Primarina was the first fully evolved Fairy-Type starter Pokémon, and while Incineroar is clearly the best in Doubles, Primarina clears the other two Alola starters in Singles by a mile. It’s definitely one of the lesser recognized Water starters by the developers but I don’t think it’s been as passed over as Sobble and Oshawott’s Unova iteration. I’d rank Popplio right around the same spot as Quaxly.
 
Me picking Fennekin for the Fire slot is less case of Fennekin’s family actually being neglected and more of a result of Fire simply not having that many good options.
Basing this thread on a very specific conceit (which starter was shafted the most) and then arbitrarily trying to pull candidates from every typing when there's a clear imbalance is contradictory. Examining the typings of starters shows a trend that the Fire lines are consistently treated well by Game Freak, which is likely a result of the explosive popularity of Charizard.

As for Popplio, while it’s definitely the least iconic of its trio, Primarina actually does a fair amount of heavy lifting for the family. Primarina was the first fully evolved Fairy-Type starter Pokémon, and while Incineroar is clearly the best in Doubles, Primarina clears the other two Alola starters in Singles by a mile. It’s definitely one of the lesser recognized Water starters by the developers but I don’t think it’s been as passed over as Sobble and Oshawott’s Unova iteration. I’d rank Popplio right around the same spot as Quaxly.
I'm also confused on why competitive viability is being weighed so heavily when it has little to no correlation to how the marketing is handled. Especially because "literal clown seal" isn't the most appealing concept. Rowlet is not a competitive viable Pokémon due to being an first stage NFE in a three stage family, but it's also so cute that TPC will shove it into your face to get you to buy all that dedicated Rowlet merch it makes and knows will sell.
 
Gameplay wise, all things considered despite getting a Mega Sceptile really doesn’t get anything from Gamefreak.
In Gen 3 it had a pretty good movepool for a Mono-grass type having Electric, Dark and Dragon coverage and the strongest reliable Grass STAB. But Gen 4 happened and it’s been doomed to being pretty dang mediocre, all of its coverage and Leaf Blade being turned into Physical attacks loosing all of its Special coverage. (Outside of Focus Miss and Hidden Power but the former is unreliable and HP is gone forever)

It’s certainly better than other grass starters getting some screentime in XYZ, but since then? It got Shed Tail in Gen 9 and wasn’t even that good at using it
 
I mean the easiest thing to do here is to break down exactly what they've been given:

Kanto Starters - Gmax Formes and Mega Formes (Two in Zards case). Pikachu and Eevee also received GMax formes. All of the starters were core parts of Ash's original teams and kept coming back in later episodes (especially Zard). Outside of this, all three feature in Smash (Alongside Pikachu)
Johto Starters - Chikorita and Totodile got Megas, Cyndaquil got a Hisuian Forme. All three featured prominently in the Anime.
Hoenn Starters - All received Megas. Again, all three featured prominently in the anime (Sceptile coming back in the XY series with Sawyer)
Sinnoh Starters - Nothing special as far as I am ware (Empoleon did receive a swapped out ability). All three featured heavily in the anime.
Unova Starters - Tepig gets a Mega, Oshawott gets a Hisuian forme. Snivy gets nothing here. Again, all three feature in the anime.
Kalos Starters - Greninja had a bespoke ability/forme. All received Megas in Legends Z. Again, all three were heavily used in the anime, with Greninja especially being highlighted. Greninja made it into Smash.
Alola Starters - Rowlet got a Hisuian Forme. All three received unique Z Moves. All three again were prominent in the anime. Incineroar made it into Smash. It's also the "poster boy" for VGC a lot of the time and incredibly popular in those circles.
Galar Starters - All three received GMax formes eventually. Interestingly, I believe only Cinderace got top billing in the anime.
Paldea Starters - No different game mechanics. I haven't watched any Horizons, but I believe Sprigatito gets top billing here.

Across the board its fairly even. But Sinnoh probably comes in the bottom here. As Bdt said, they all now get unique moves which doesn't do a lot to differentiate them further. I don't *think* any get exclusive abilities? I'd say Sinnoh + Snivy are probably the worst off here by a land slide. Nothing unique about any of them. We can't really talk about the Paldean crew as they are brand new, which I think puts them a bit ahead.
 
In terms of Galar starters in the anime, Cinderace is the most prominent, but Grookey takes the "cute mascot starter" role that was filled by mons like Piplup in the past around halfway through Journeys, and while it takes a while, Inteleon becomes something of a secondary ace for Goh late into the series. Frankly there's never been a starter that hasn't received decent levels of attention in the anime, but I'd say the biggest loser in that regard would either be Chespin or Mudkip.

Overall, I'd agree with Sinnoh/Snivy getting the short end of the stick, with no exclusive gimmicks to their name unlike Kanto/Hoenn/Kalos all getting Megas, alongside 2/3rds of Johto and Emboar, Kanto and Galar getting GMax forms, Alola having Exclusive Z Moves and the regional variants for Typhlosion and Samurott (and Decidueye, though that already had a gimmick to go with its fellow alola starters), they got semi-exclusive moves in Legends Arceus, but even those were given to other mons in the same game with Ursaluna and Torterra sharing Headlong Rush, Infernape and Hisuian Arcanine sharing Raging Fury, and Basculegion and Empoleon sharing Wave Crash. Snivy got a strong Hidden Ability, but that's really all it got, with no exclusive move at all, and Contrary is strong, but not unique at all.
 
Hoenn Starters - All received Megas. Again, all three featured prominently in the anime (Sceptile coming back in the XY series with Sawyer)
Grovyle very famously features in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Explorers, a game in the running for most popular spinoff.

Sceptile also secured the win against Tobias's Darkrai if it matters.

Sinnoh Starters - Nothing special as far as I am ware (Empoleon did receive a swapped out ability). All three featured heavily in the anime.
The Chimchar line received a major amount of focus in the anime due to Ash's having its own subplot – Infernape was practically the main character mon by the end of Sinnoh. I believe the main reasons it and the other Sinnoh starters haven't gotten more is due to the different company philosophy back during Gen 4 and the handling and specific timing of BDSP. I can totally imagine an alternate universe where the anime staff asked Game Freak to create a Battle Bond-esque form for Infernape like they did with Greninja.

Unova Starters - Tepig gets a Mega, Oshawott gets a Hisuian forme. Snivy gets nothing here. Again, all three feature in the anime.
Snivy got a strong Hidden Ability, but that's really all it got, with no exclusive move at all, and Contrary is strong, but not unique at all.
I know earlier I mentioned competitive viability not really influencing much of anything, but I think it sorta kinda applies to Snivy. Contrary Leaf Storm is more or less its whole thing, and Game Freak seems either unwilling or unable to push that too far or come with anything to supplant/compliment it.
 
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I’ve seen a few posts bringing up how much weight I put on competitive viability. The reason I am doing this is usually because competitive viability across multiple generations is one of the more notable ways a starter Pokémon can stay relevant after it’s no longer the current generation. That being said, I have adjusted my rankings in response to your feedback and my tier list looks noticeably different than it did before. Here’s what I’m feeling like at this exact point in time, but I’m more than willing to accept more feedback.

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My apologies for the poor cropping job, TierMaker was being a piece of garbage when I was working on this. The tiers are ordered, I should also mention (most attention on the left, least attention on the right).
 
Bulbasaur and Squirtle have Gen 1 privilege, they are absolutely Industry Plant tier.
I definitely agree, but the reason I put them there is because “Industry Plants” has a specific criteria list that Bulbasaur and Squirtle, to my complete surprise, just barely missed the cut on. Said criteria might need some revisiting, now that you bring this to my attention. I’m also thinking about demoting Scorbunny but I’m not entirely sure just yet. Bulbasaur and Squirtle could take Scorbunny’s place and then the tier list might look better.
 
It's hard to really pinpoint any particular "neglected" starters, since the way different starters are marketed varies.

I wouldn't even call the Sinnoh starters neglected even though they never got any tangible additions like Megas, signature Z-Moves, or G-Max. They just happened to have a rather peculiar timing of when they got the spotlight both in terms of the original games and the revisits. Legends: Arceus didn't have any super mechanics to speak of so there was nothing to give them, except for their honorary signature moves Headlong Rush, Raging Fury, and Wave Crash.

That said, Piplup is definitely one of the most popular, marketable Pokemon of all time and is prominently shown off in merchandise and other Pokemon media...a lot. It's super cute and has a lot of personality and that gives it a lot of spotlight. The fact that Dawn is one of the characters in the anime who really got a lot of star billing back in the Ash days, moreso then anyone else barring Misty and Brock, adds to that too, admittedly, to the point that she repeatedly made appearances well after her tenure as a main character ended. Not to mention Piplup and its evolutionary line are among the few cases who had their Hidden Ability outright changed in a later generation: in this case, it gained the HA Competitive in SV, changed from Defiant, and Competitive is even better suited to them. Empoleon is also in Pokken and in Pokemon Unite. The Piplup line is a huge winner and is definitely a hallmark icon of the Pokemon brand nowadays, especially both Piplup and Empoleon, who have prominent showings in the broader franchise. If anything, the fact that they didn't get anything tangible like Megas yet still managed to have a lot of star billing is actually impressive!

I also think which stage of a starter's line is most prominent tends to vary a lot. I would say based on that tier list that Rowlet is actually more of an "industry plant" tier Pokemon among the likes of Pikachu, Piplup, Scorbunny, Sprigatito, etc. than Litten is. Yes, Incineroar is popular, but Blaziken, Greninja, and Incineroar are cases where the final form specifically is the most popular of the line. Rowlet is by far a more popular base form starter than Litten is from what I've seen. The Fennekin line is an unusual case where the middle stage is actually the most popular, since Braixen is actually fairly well liked, moreso than both Fennekin and Delphox alike.

The one universal thing that can be said is that the Kanto starters are bar none the most iconic set of starters, since Bulbasaur, Charmander, and Squirtle are the OGs, but the other trios are plenty prominent within the context of marketing, merchandise, and spotlight. How much spotlight they get varies over time, and in some cases like the Johto starters they reappear as members of new mixed-and-matched trios for Legends games, but I wouldn't call any of them truly neglected. Starters sell as a whole, and that's their point: they're one of, if not the most important part of what sells a new generation's games to kids.
 
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My vote is probably the Snivy line.

The line's one gift GameFreak gave them was Contrary, which shot them into competitive relevance in Gen 6 (it was in the code for Gen 5, but not released until ORAS). However, it's not a unique ability, considering Shuckle and even Spinda got it before Serperior. A cool ability is not as noteworthy as a gimmick or regional form, either. Among its fellow Unova starters, Emboar got a Mega and Samurott a Hisuian form. The Gen 4 starters didn't get these, either, but I'd say all 3 lines have more notoriety than Snivy's, especially Piplup and Infernape. The Turtwig line's probably the closest analog to Snivy's, but Torterra recently got Shell Smash and Headlong Rush as huge buffs to its kit, and the Snivy line didn't get anything noteworthy since Contrary in Gen 6. I'd also say more people are fond of Turtwig than Snivy.
 
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