Ok man, i need to say something. sorry
LittEleven if it seems like I’m flooding your post on venu sleep in sm but im tired of getting shafted by this community and my opinions not getting taken seriously but people need to hear this
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, BAN TAUROS FROM ADV 1v1.
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Tauros at this point is a cancer to the tier and I speak for everyone when i say it should get banned asap or at the very least, post cl. Ever somce adv has been apart of a team tournament setting, all it really stems down to is “toxic tauros cheese” if not that it’s raikou critical hit cheese” cause that’s all people who play this tier actually use raikou and tauros. I’ll explain raikou’s impact on the tier later but tauros is the real problem when it comes to adv.
Tauros is a pokémon that beats 95% of mons in the builder and actively prohibits creative team building and overall just makes team building in general suck ass. Need I remind you that that the tier leader of adv is an advocate of creative team building?
Tauros’ main set is that stupid stalling toxic set. Because base 110 speed is really fast in a tier like this, all you can really do is click toxic, get your 50/50s right if necessary and win the game. It’s a min to the sub leech sceptile set where if your opponent has no way of outspeeding you or having a way of one shotting you, you just win the game. Difference between sceptile and tauros is that Tauros has respectable bulk as well intimidate to let it sponge physical attacks more reliably.
You may be wondering why other mons don’t use a toxic protect set, well the simple answer is some mons don’t have the proper bulk to utilize a toxic protect set without it being too punishing or they’re simply too slow to use a toxic protect set. Tauros is really the only mon in adv that can wield the toxic protect set to its highest potential.
The obvious answer to this toxic set would be steel types or bulky mons that can utilize rest, but the thing is, TAUROS HAS OTHER SETS IT CAN USE!!!! Choice band can eat a hit from metagross mash and 2hko it with eq, sub liechi can cheese counter mons that are locked to counter/as well as metagross sets that use dynamic punch (lol). Mons in adv typically have 3 sets on average but there is a difference in having 3 sets and having 3 GOOD AND VIABLE. Some Pokemon may beat certain sets but there’s likelyhood they lose to other sets, making this mon very restrictive in the team builder as well as it having SO much pressure in the team builder of you’re not prepped for it properly. There are very few established mons that can reliably beat every set, and the number of mons is so little is to why people are resorting useing non mons like cradily, Steelix, and Skarmory, just to beat one mon reliably.
There are 3-4 viable mons that can reliably beat tauros.
This is one of the best mons in the tier right now because of tauros usage. Acid armor and rest just walls it.
Just pray you don’t get crit but registeel’s whole gimmick is pray you don’t get crit. (Unlikely in a gen where critical hits are 1/16)
Curse + Rest just walls every set and you can afford to take one critical hit unlike registeel I think. This mon is very underrated because a spdef curse and rest can beat tauros and raikou, two of the best mons in the tier.
Another underrated mon. Sd into getting hit into swarm range to throw a nasty hp bug into quick attack. Out of all the mons here, this one is definitely the least reliable but an alteration to this set can easily beat tauros.
Notice how no fighting types were at all mentioned?
Tauros being a normal type, should be vulnerable to fighting types right? Welll unfortunately, this isn’t the case. Because of intimidate, Most fighting types actually struggle to deal with tauros.
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Machamp Brick Break vs. 208 HP / 8 Def Tauros: 280-330 (81.6 - 96.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
In terms of base attack, machamp has the highest (Medicham is an outlier) and with most reliable fighting type move, it can’t even one shot it. Most fighting types on average are slow so you just get stalled out and lose, Tauros can stall out cross chop pp (8) with this set as well as cross chop being relatively not that reliable cause of the accuracy. However, Tauros also has other sets it can use as well, most fighting types drop to a banded hyper beam, even the most bulkiest of ones don’t win.
216+ Atk Choice Band Tauros Hyper Beam vs. 252 HP / 20 Def Machamp: 383-451 (99.7 - 117.4%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
For reference, 252 HP 20 Def is just enough to tank adamant band metagross meteor mash.
I wanted to clear up a misconception people have when it comes to fighting types being capable beating tauros reliably which isn’t the case at all.
This stupid team lives in everyone’s heads rent free (my own included) it was made two years ago but is still used today because it consistent of two broken ass pokémon and a mon which is supposed to beat said brokens.
However, this replay is the culmination of everyone that’s currently wrong with ADV at the moment:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen31v1-908276
Two players using the EXACT SAME TEAM because everyone new who touches this tier is allergic to using pokemon other than raikou and tauros. It’s generally a very uninspiring game for the most part. But did you guys notice that the supposed tauros check lost? The machamp was band so you couldn’t really use cross chop so you resorted to ea so that you don’t miss your move on a crucial turn. But because of that, you lose, making fighting types having a LOSING MATCH UP into tauros and by extensions this mon has no real weakness.
If you’re reading this far, you’re probably wondering why I want to ban a mon like tauros and not a mon like Raikou? Well as op as raikou is, it’s the mon that holds this tier together. Without Raikou, water types become way to op (Vaporeon, Kingdra, Gyarados, Starmie.) Water would would be the main centralization because there are no good electric types to beat said water types which in turn would make fire types slightly less prevalent which in turn, make leech mons really good. Raikou maintains the power balance the adv meta has and if you ban raikou, you’re actively making the tier worse. Tauros on the other hand doesn’t bring anything significant to make the tier better and is a liability to the tier so banning it would be the only justification. I don’t think anyone has any compelling nor convincing arguments on why Tauros shouldn’t be banned from ADV, if you want tauros to stay, chances are tauros is probably top 1 in your usage which says a lot about you.
Furthermore to this argument. What raikou had that tauros lacks is varirety of counterplay. It’s much easier to tech a mon like raikou as opposed to tauros. Raikou is relatively frail so any ground type, most choice banded mon with eq or strong STAB, most mons with any sort of set up moves, bulky spdef physical mons, most leech seeders, (depending on raikou’s set) the list goes on. As for tauros, the counter play just stems down to running rest on every mon which can be a liability if the mon isn’t built to run rest properly and especially if the tauros set you’re facing isn’t even a toxic tauros. You also have to run rest sets which are catered to beating tower tauros sets to begin with and the opportunity cost when it comes to using a tauros proof set is very noticeable.
One last thing of note I would like to add are statistics. I took the first 4 weeks of cl and compared to overall usage and win rate of tauros and raikou, the top ranked non when it comes to the viability rankings
- 2.25 rank in usage / 23% usage / 48% WR roughly
- 2.75 rank in usage / 26% usage / 39% WR roughly
As you can see, when it comes to the usage rank, Tauros has a higher usage rank, averaging being ranked 2nd in usage across the 4 weeks as opposed to raikou, who is averaging 3rd across the 4 weeks. However with the actual usage percentage, Raikou has higher usage but it’s not a lot. The reasoning to this is Raikou had inflated usage week 4 with it being brung on 12 separate occasions (tauros was 2nd highest with 7.) But what the main juice of these statistics is the win rate. Tauros has a 48% usage, meaning it basically wins every other game it’s picked, Now if we look at Raikou’s win rate, we can see it’s only at a mere 39% almost 10% less than Tauros’ win rate, and Raikou is supposed to be the top ranked mon in ADV, this further supports my claim that Raikou is easily beatable and has tons of counter play as a whole while tauros just doesn’t.
Overall, tauros is a pocket monster that should be axed from ADV 1v1 as soon as possible. Making this post as a call to action and hopefully the rest of the adv council will agree with me to take immediate action as well. With Tauros banned, the more variety of mons that will be used, the more quality the adv games will be, the tier will be more enjoyable to watch.
Would love to hear people’s overall thoughts on tauros in adv but chances your opinion is probably the same as mine, that shit needs to get banned immediately.
Tapu Fini A+ -> S-
Darmanitan-Galar A -> A+
Togekiss A- -> A
Regidrago B+ -> A-
Venusaur B+ -> A-
Rhyperior B -> B+
Glastrier C -> C+
Toxtricity C- -> C
Golduck UR -> D
Shedinja UR -> D
Sylveon A- -> B+
Aggron B -> B-
Dracovish B- -> C+
Sawk B- -> C+
Zapdos-Galar B- -> C+
Blissey D -> UR
Golisopod D -> UR
Grimmsnarl D -> UR
