Metagame 1v1 Old Gens

[DEG]

Art by Swiffix​

Table of Content:
SS
USUM
ORAS
BW
DPP
ADV
GSC
RBY

 

[Mishlef]

SS 1v1

Art by Gaboswampert
​

Ruleset - Picked Team Size = 1, Max Team Size = 3, Obtainable, Species Clause, Nickname Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Moves Clause, Accuracy Moves Clause, Team Preview, HP Percentage Mod, Cancel Mod, Dynamax Clause, Endless Battle Clause
Bans - Calyrex-Ice, Calyrex-Shadow, Cinderace, Dialga, Dragonite, Eternatus, Genesect, Giratina, Giratina-Origin, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Jirachi, Kyogre, Kyurem-Black, Kyurem-White, Lugia, Lunala, Magearna, Marshadow, Melmetal, Mew, Mewtwo, Mimikyu, Necrozma, Necrozma-Dawn-Wings, Necrozma-Dusk-Mane, Palkia, Rayquaza, Reshiram, Sableye, Snorlax, Solgaleo, Victini, Xerneas, Yveltal, Zacian, Zacian-Crowned, Zamazenta, Zamazenta-Crowned, Zekrom, Moody, Power Construct, Bright Powder, Focus Band, Focus Sash, Lax Incense, Quick Claw, Acupressure, Hypnosis, Perish Song, Sing

Council: Mishlef (Leader), DEG, bo_bobson27, Close, bored_glitch, RTM, Waylaid, Nick

VR

S Rank

S- Rank
Cresselia
Metagross
Primarina
Zeraora

A+ Rank
Celesteela
Dragapult
Garchomp
Porygon-Z
Spectrier
Tapu Fini
Togekiss

A Rank
Aromatisse
Darmanitan-Galar
Ferrothorn
Landorus-T
Regidrago
Sylveon
Tapu Koko
Urshifu-S

A- Rank
Azumarill
Crustle
Entei
Kyurem
Rillaboom
Tapu Bulu
Urshifu-R
Volcanion
Volcarona
Zapdos

B+ Rank
Dracovish
Dracozolt
Goodra
Haxorus
Landorus
Magnezone
Moltres-G
Registeel
Tapu Lele
Tyranitar
Venusaur
Zarude

B Rank
Aggron
Arcanine
Chansey
Corviknight
Gardevoir
Heatran
Naganadel
Regieleki
Rhyperior
Steelix
Zapdos-G

B- Rank
Aegislash
Gastrodon
Glastrier
Kartana
Nihilego
Ninetales
Pheromosa
Sawk
Swampert
Whimsicott

C+ Rank
Avalugg
Carracosta
Clefable
Corsola-Galar
Hydreigon
Kommo-o
Ninetales-Alola
Nidoking
Porygon2
Raikou
Rotom-Heat
Rotom-W
Salazzle
Thundurus-T

C Rank
Archeops
Buzzwole
Darmanitan
Diancie
Durant
Incineroar
Jellicent
Pyukumuku
Roserade
Silvally
Suicune
Thundurus
Type:Null

C- Rank
Blacephalon
Blastoise
Blissey
Conkeldurr
Diggersby
Gengar
Krookodile
Mamoswine
Quagsire
Regice
Seismitoad
Slowking-Galar
Tentacruel
Toxapex

D Rank
Blaziken
Celebi
Golisopod
Grimmsnarl
Gyarados
Keldeo
Latias
Latios
Marowak-Alola
Moltres
Raboot
Reuniclus
Salamence
Scizor
Shedinja
Slowbro
Slowbro-Galar
Talonflame
Togedemaru
Torkoal
Toxtricity
Weavile
Zygarde

VR Spreadsheet

Resources:
General Resources
Sets Compendium (EV Explanations)
Sample Teams
Speed Tiers

 

[Elo Bandit]

USUM 1v1
​

Ruleset: Obtainable, Species Clause, Nickname Clause, Moody Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Moves Clause, Accuracy Moves Clause, Swagger Clause, Endless Battle Clause, HP Percentage Mod, Cancel Mod, Team Preview
Bans: Arceus, Darkrai, Deoxys-Base, Deoxys-Attack, Deoxys-Defense, Dialga, Giratina, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Kangaskhan-Mega, Kyogre, Kyurem-Black, Kyurem-White, Lugia, Lunala, Marshadow, Mewtwo, Mimikyu, Necrozma-Dawn-Wings, Necrozma-Dusk-Mane, Palkia, Rayquaza, Reshiram, Salamence-Mega, Shaymin-Sky, Snorlax, Solgaleo, Tapu Koko, Xerneas, Yveltal, Zekrom, Mew, Focus Sash, Perish Song, Detect + Fightinium Z, Hypnosis, Grass Whistle, Sing

VR Council: Elo Bandit (TL), Squirtell 1v1, TheShadowClaw, Close, rumia, Waylaid

VR

S Rank

Charizard-Mega-X

Dragonite

S- Rank

Charizard-Mega-Y

Gyarados-Mega

Magearna

A+ Rank

Gardevoir-Mega

Greninja

Metagross-Mega

Porygon-Z

Tapu Lele

Zygarde-Complete

A Rank

Meloetta

Slowbro-Mega

Victini

Zeraora

A- Rank

Aegislash

Heatran

Kommo-o

Landorus-Therian

Magnezone

Mawile-Mega

Primarina

Serperior

Tapu Fini

B+ Rank

Aggron-Mega

Altaria-Mega

Celesteela

Clefable

Crustle

Donphan

Garchomp

Genesect

Incineroar

Porygon2

Sableye-Mega

Togekiss

Tyranitar-Mega

Volcarona

Venusaur-Mega

B Rank

Ambipom

Blaziken-Mega

Carracosta

Diancie-Mega

Hoopa-Unbound

Jirachi

Kartana

Lopunny-Mega

Manaphy

Naganadel

Necrozma

Pinsir-Mega

Registeel

Scizor-Mega

Tapu Bulu

B- Rank

Aggron

Archeops

Audino-Mega

Deoxys-S

Diggersby

Ferrothorn

Golem

Haxorus

Heracross-Mega

Jumpluff

Krookodile

Kyurem

Latias-Mega

Magneton

Medicham-Mega

Nihilego

Pheromosa

Quagsire

Sawk

Swampert-Mega

Terrakion

Type: Null

Vivillon

Whimsicott

Zapdos

C+ Rank

Araquanid

Avalugg

Blacephalon

Blastoise-Mega

Camerupt-Mega

Durant

Emboar

Gallade-Mega

Gengar-Mega

Gigalith

Gyarados

Keldeo

Latios

Lucario-Mega

Pidgeot-Mega

Raikou

Regice

Rhyperior

Rotom-Heat

Salamence

Scrafty

Shaymin

Slaking

Smeargle

Tyranitar

Umbreon

Vaporeon

Volcanion

C Rank

Aerodactyl-Mega

Alakazam-Mega

Blaziken

Blissey

Buzzwole

Chansey

Darmanitan

Empoleon

Entei

Excadrill

Illumise

Infernape

Landorus

Marowak-Alola

Muk-Alola

Pyukumuku

Rotom-Wash

Salazzle

Scolipede

Skarmory

Staraptor

Steelix-Mega

Suicune

Talonflame

Thundurus-Therian

Trevenant

Xurkitree

C- Rank

Abomasnow-Mega

Alakazam

Azumarill

Breloom

Celebi

Garchomp-Mega

Gengar

Hydreigon

Lycanroc-Dusk

Mamoswine

Nidoking

Milotic

Ninetales-Alola

Musharna

Reuniclus

Sceptile-Mega

Sylveon

Thundurus

Togedemaru

Weavile

D Rank

Ampharos-Mega

Arcanine

Aron

Chandelure

Cloyster

Exeggutor

Hawlucha

Rampardos

Relicanth

Riolu

Rotom-Mow

Sceptile

Shedinja

Stakataka

VR Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RteIA0rOipjlxWLf4FO8AR9cKXqtO7Lp5vUnO0Rg6YE/edit?usp=sharing
Sets VR: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1-sets-viability-rankings.3646825/

Set Compendiums:
Condensed: https://pokepast.es/24fd902c2b59ba47
Extended: https://pokepast.es/8198096279f86334

Sample Teams: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1-sample-teams.3646826/#post-7094792
More Sample Teams: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LrkCwh8qmZ1pld0hVWQYwIxclJF7kjj3QhzPOjRWMLw/edit#gid=0
Speed Tiers: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1-speed-tiers.3646928/

 

[LittEleven]

ORAS 1v1

Art by Swiffix
Led by LittEleven ​

Ruleset: Pokemon, Nickname Clause, Moody Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Moves Clause, Swagger Clause, Endless Battle Clause, HP Percentage Mod, Cancel Mod, Team Preview

Bans: Illegal, Unreleased, Arceus, Blaziken, Charizard Mega Y, Darkrai, Deoxys-Base, Deoxys-Attack, Deoxys-Defense, Dialga, Giratina, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Kyurem-White, Lugia, Mewtwo, Palkia, Rayquaza, Reshiram, Shaymin-Sky, Xerneas, Yveltal, Zekrom, Perish Song, Focus Sash, Kangaskhanite, Salamencite, Chansey + Charm + Seismic Toss, Flash, Kinesis, Leaf Tornado, Mirror Shot, Mud Bomb, Mud-Slap, Muddy Water, Night Daze, Octazooka, Sand Attack, Smokescreen, Soul Dew, Snorlax

Unbans: Aegislash, Deoxys-Speed, Genesect, Gengar-Mega, Greninja, Hoopa-Unbound, Landorus-I, Lucario-Mega, Sableye-Mega, Mawile-Mega.

VR Council: LittEleven, DEG, 187 Fan, Elo Bandit, Mubs, DezShizzels, torterraxx, Inkreativ, crucify

Resources:

VR

S
Charizard-Mega-X
Gardevoir-Mega

S-
Metagross-Mega
Victini

A+
Greninja
Gyarados-Mega
Manaphy
Mawile-Mega
Mew

A
Altaria-Mega
Heatran
Kyurem-Black
Porygon-Z
Sableye-Mega
Slowbro-Mega
Venusaur-Mega

A-
Diancie-Mega
Dragonite
Garchomp
Genesect
Hoopa-Unbound
Landorus-Therian
Lopunny-Mega
Medicham-Mega
Meloetta
Togekiss

B+
Ampharos-Mega
Deoxys-Speed
Gengar-Mega
Latias-Mega
Magnezone
Serperior
Sylveon
Volcanion
Volcarona

B
Aggron-Mega
Chansey
Diancie
Gallade-Mega
Garchomp-Mega
Haxorus
Heracross-Mega
Jirachi
Landorus
Latios
Latios-Mega
Registeel
Rhyperior
Sawk
Slaking
Terrakion
Tyranitar-Mega
Whimsicott

B-
Aegislash
Aggron
Ambipom
Archeops
Audino-Mega
Blastoise-Mega
Clefable
Cresselia
Crustle
Donphan
Entei
Pinsir-Mega
Porygon2
Suicune
Thundurus-Therian
Zapdos

C+
Alakazam-Mega
Empoleon
Ferrothorn
Golem
Lucario-Mega
Manectric-Mega
Pidgeot-Mega
Raikou
Smeargle
Talonflame

C
Azumarill
Camerupt-Mega
Celebi
Emboar
Gastrodon
Jumpluff
Keldeo
Regirock
Rotom-Heat
Scizor-Mega
Swampert-Mega
Vivillon

C-
Avalugg
Blissey
Darmanitan
Durant
Excadrill
Houndoom-Mega
Infernape
Reuniclus
Salamence

D
Abomasnow-Mega
Aurorus
Banette-Mega
Conkeldurr
Florges
Kingdra
Klefki
Shedinja
Steelix-Mega

ORAS Speed Tiers by smely socks

Key
Min Speed = 0 IVs + Reducing Nature + 0 EVs
-Nature = Reducing Nature + 0 EVs
Bulky = 0 EVs
Fast = 252 EVs
Max Speed = Increasing Nature + 252 EVs
Any instance of a Speed increasing item, ability, or relevant element will also be mentioned.
Note: In Gen 6, speed changes caused by a mon mega evolving take effect on the next turn

Bolded text will be used to indicate particularly important benchmarks

- slow-
40: Min Speed Ferrothorn
76: Bulky Sableye-Mega, Bulky Camerupt-Mega
94: Min Speed Aggron-Mega
96: Bulky Slowbro-Mega, Bulky Snorlax
116: Bulky Rhyperior, Bulky Camerupt
122: -Nature Diancie
126: Bulky Golem, Bulky Ampharos-Mega
136: Bulky Mawile-Mega, Bulky Pre-Mega Diancie, Bulky Aggron-Mega, Bulky Azumarill, Bulky Chansey, Bulky Pre-Mega Sableye, Bulky Registeel, Bulky Donphan
140: -Nature Aegislash
156: Bulky Sylveon, Bulky Aegislash, Bulky Magnezone, Bulky Empoleon, Bulky Porygon2, Bulky Pre-Mega Swampert
158: Bulky Pre-Mega Tyranitar
166: Bulky Pre-Mega Scizor
176: Bulky Pre-Mega Metagross, Bulky Volcanion, Bulky Swampert-Mega
178: Bulky Tyranitar-Mega
179: Fast Rhyperior
186: Bulky Heracross-Mega, Bulky Scizor-Mega
189: Fast Golem, Fast Crustle
- medium -
190: Bulky Heatran
192: Bulky Blastoise-Mega
196: Bulky Altaria-Mega, Bulky Venusaur-Mega, Bulky Dragonite, Bulky Togekiss
198: Bulky Gyarados-Mega, Bulky Hoopa-Unbound
199: Fast Aggron, Fast Donphan, Fast Azumarill
206: Bulky Pre-Mega Heracross
207: Max Speed Crustle
216: Bulky Porygon-Z, Bulky Meloetta
218: Max Speed Pre-Mega Diancie, Bulky Landorus-T, Max Speed Aggron, Max Speed Donphan
221: Fast Pre-Mega Tyranitar
226: Bulky Kyurem-Black
236: Bulky Manaphy, Bulky Charizard-Mega-X, Bulky Charizard-Mega-Y, Bulky Volcarona, Bulky Entei
238: Bulky Pre-Mega Pidgeot
239: Fast Pre-Mega Metagross, Fast Volcanion
241: Fast Tyranitar-Mega
243: Max Speed Pre-Mega Tyranitar
246: Bulky Pre-Mega Manectric
249: Fast Heracross-Mega
255: Fast Blastoise-Mega
256: Bulky Diancie-Mega, Bulky Metagross-Mega
259: Fast Dragonite, Fast Togekiss, Fast Pre-Mega Gardevoir, Fast Hoopa-Unbound
261: Fast Gyarados-Mega
262: Max Speed Metagross, Max Speed Breloom, Max Speed Volcanion
265: Max Speed Tyranitar-Mega
268: Bulky Whimsicott
269: Fast Sawk, Fast Pre-Mega Heracross
273: Max Speed Smeargle, Max Speed Heracross-Mega
278: Max Speed Heatran, Bulky Pidgeot-Mega
- fast -
279: Fast Porygon-Z
281: Fast Landorus-T
284: Max Speed Pre-Mega Gardevoir, Max Speed Togekiss, Max Speed Dragonite, Max Speed Pre-Mega Medicham, Max Speed Pre-Mega Gallade, Max Speed Altaria-Mega, Max Speed Hoopa-Unbound, Max Speed Venusaur-Mega
287: Max Speed Gyarados-Mega
288: Bulky Talonflame
289: Fast Kyurem-Black
293: Fast Haxorus
295: Max Speed Pre-Mega Pinsir, Max Speed Pre-Mega Heracross, Max Speed Sawk
297: Fast Genesect
298: Fast Scarf Aggron
299: Fast Charizard-Mega-X, Fast Charizard-Mega-X, Fast Gardevoir-Mega, Fast Victini, Fast Slaking, Fast Volcarona, Fast Entei
301: Fast Pre-Mega Pidgeot
304: Max Speed Vivillon
306: Max Speed Porygon-Z, Max Speed Meloetta, Max Speed Pre-Mega Lucario, Bulky Manectric-Mega
309: Fast Pre-Mega Lopunny, Max Speed Landorus-T, Fast Pre-Mega Manectric
317: Max Speed Kyurem-Black
319: Fast Metagross-Mega
322: Max Speed Haxorus
326: Max Speed Genesect
327: Scarf Max Speed Aggron
328: Max Speed Charizard-Mega-X, Max Speed Charizard-Mega-Y, Max Speed Gardevoir-Mega, Max Speed Victini, Max Speed Manaphy, Max Speed Mew, Max Speed Jirachi, Max Speed Medicham-Mega, Max Speed Slaking, Max Speed Volcarona, Max Speed Entei
331: Max Speed Landorus, Max Speed Pre-Mega Pidgeot, Max Speed Thundurus-Therian
333: Max Speed Garchomp
339: Max Speed Pre-Mega Lopunny, Max Speed Pinsir-Mega, Max Speed Pre-Mega Manectric
341: Fast Pidgeot-Mega
343: Fast Greninja
346: Max Speed Terrakion
350: Max Speed Metagross-Mega, Max Speed Diancie-Mega, Max Speed Pre-Mega Gengar, Max Speed Archeops, Max Speed Latias-Mega, Max Speed Jumpluff, Max Speed Latios, Max Speed Gallade-Mega
351: Fast Talonflame
355: Max Speed Lucario-Mega
356: Max Speed Serperior
358: Fast Scarf Volcanion
369: Fast Lopunny-Mega, Fast Manectric-Mega
372: Max Speed Pre-Mega Alakazam
375: Max Speed Pidgeot-Mega
377: Max Speed Greninja
378: +2 Fast Crustle
386: Max Speed Talonflame
- nascar -
388: Fast Scarf Dragonite, Fast Scarf Togekiss, Fast Scarf Hoopa-Unbound
391: +1 Max Speed Gyarados-Mega
393: Scarf Max Speed Volcanion
394: Max Speed Gengar-Mega
403: Fast Scarf Sawk
405: Max Speed Lopunny-Mega, Max Speed Manectric-Mega
414: +2 Max Speed Crustle
417: Scarf Max Speed Heatran
418: Fast Scarf Porygon-Z
421: Fast Scarf Landorus-T
426: Scarf Max Speed Dragonite, Scarf Max Speed Togekiss, Max Speed Hoopa-Unbound
433: Fast Scarf Kyurem-Black
438: Max Speed Alakazam-Mega
439: Fast Scarf Haxorus
442: Scarf Max Speed Sawk
445: Fast Scarf Genesect
448: +1 Fast Charizard-Mega-X, Fast Scarf Slaking, +1 Fast Volcarona
459: Scarf Max Speed Porygon-Z, Fast Deoxys-Speed
463: Scarf Max Speed Landorus-T
472: Fast Scarf Terrakion
475: Scarf Max Speed Kyurem-Black
483: Scarf Max Speed Haxorus
489: Scarf Max Speed Genesect
492: +1 Max Speed Charizard-Mega-X, Scarf Max Speed Jirachi, Scarf Max Speed Victini, Scarf Max Speed Slaking, +1 Max Speed Volcarona
496: Scarf Max Speed Landorus
499: Scarf Max Speed Garchomp
504: Max Speed Deoxys-Speed
514: Fast Scarf Greninja
519: Scarf Max Speed Terrakion
525: Scarf Max Speed Archeops
565: Scarf Max Speed Greninja

Sets Compendium: https://pokepast.es/b9a869791f879a8d [EDITED September 2023]

Sample Teams:

Ancient Bro Tran

derek squad - submitted by crucify

Zardx gyara garde - by the program edited by crucify

Mana garde cheops - by the program

Custap tran pz demon bro - by the program

 

[DEG]

BW 1v1

Art by Kiwi
​

Banlist: OU Banlist + Focus Sash, Accuracy Moves Clause, Cottonee, Dragonite, Kyurem-Black, Perish Song, Whimsicott, Victini, Togekiss, Mew, Jirachi, Sleep inducing moves.

Unbanlist: Genesect, Landorus-Incarnate, Thundurus-Incarnate, Tornadus-Therian, Manaphy, Arena Trap, Shadow Tag, Sand Rush

Council: Itchy, DEG, Lumii, Urfgurgle, Taka, SuperMemeBroz, neomon, Kaif, Palestine

Resources:
VR Voting Sheet

Viability Rankings

S-
Snorlax
Genesect
Manaphy

A+
Cresselia
Volcarona
Thundurus
Conkeldurr

A
Shaymin
Metagross
Porygon-Z
Latios
Keldeo
Meloetta
Raikou
Tyranitar
Zapdos
Garchomp
Scrafty
Crustle

A-
Haxorus
Jellicent
Sawk
Suicune
Heatran
Kyurem
Latias

B+
Thundurus-T
Magnezone
Gyarados
Rhyperior
Mienshao
Arcanine
Donphan
Terrakion

B
Landorus-T
Serperior
Ambipom
Celebi
Tornadus
Ferrothorn

B-
Aerodactyl
Entei
Chandelure
Slaking
Registeel
Sableye
Infernape
Tornadus-T
Empoleon
Hydreigon
Swampert
Hariyama
Venusaur
Chansey
Heracross
Clefable
Medicham
Ninetales
Golem

C+
Landorus
Rotom-W
Archeops
Starmie
Mamoswine
Gengar
Moltres
Porygon2

C
Rotom-H
Gastrodon
Darmanitan
Salamence
Slowbro
Scizor
Hippowdon
Togetic
Blissey
Durant

C-
Virizion
Staraptor
Carracosta
Kingdra
Gardevoir
Krookodile
Cinccino
Breloom
Reuniclus
Sceptile
Quagsire

D
Cobalion
Alakazam
Umbreon
Emboar
Roserade
Bronzong
Dusclops
Smergle
Gallade
Riolu

Speed Tiers by bored_glitch

also available here

40	Min Speed Ferrothorn
76	Bulky Escavalier
86	Bulky Dusclops
94	Min Speed Donphan
96	Bulky Snorlax, Bulky Slowbro, Bulky Reuniclus, Bulky Cofagrigus
102	Bulky Bronzong
106	Bulky Quagsire
114	Bulky Gastrodon
116	Bulky Rhyperior
126	Bulky Crustle, Bulky Conkeldurr
130	Bulky Hippowdon
136	Bulky Sableye, Bulky Chansey, Bulky Registeel, Bulky Hariyama, Bulky Azumarill
146	Bulky Blissey, Bulky Cacturne, Bulky Exeggutor
148	Bulky Torterra
152	Bulky Scrafty
156	Bulky Jellicent, Bulky Swampert, Bulky Empoleon, Bulky Clefable, Bulky Porygon2
158	Bulky Tyranitar
166	Bulky Scizor, Bulky Umbreon
176	Bulky Metagross
179	Max Speed Carracosta
189	Fast Crustle
196	Bulky Venusaur
199	Fast Donphan
206	Bulky Cresselia
208	Bulky Rotom-W
216	Bulky Porygon-Z, Bulky Meloetta, Bulky Roserade
221	Fast Tyranitar
226	Bulky Arcanine
234	Bulky Genesect
236	Bulky Manaphy, Bulky Shaymin, Bulky Zapdos, Bulky Slaking, Bulky Entei
239	Fast Metagross, Fast Breloom
252	Bulky Keldeo, +2 Bulky Crustle, Max Speed Magnezone, Bulky Cobalion
258	Bulky Thundurus
259	Fast Chandelure, Fast Medicham
261	Fast Gyarados
269	Fast Cresselia, Fast Sawk, Fast Heracross
273	Fast Hitmonlee, Max Speed Smeargle
278	Max Speed Heatran
279	Fast Porygon-Z, Fast Meloetta
281	Fast Landorus-T
284	Max Speed Chandelure
287	Max Speed Gyarados
289	Fast Kyurem, Fast Arcanine, Fast Darmanitan
293	Fast Haxorus
295	Max Speed Suicune, Max Speed Heracross
297	Fast Genesect
298	Max Speed Rotom-H
299	Fast Volcarona, Fast Manaphy, Fast Zapdos, Fast Slaking
301	Fast Thundurus-T, Fast Landorus
306	Max Speed Porygon-Z, Max Speed Moltres
311	Max Speed Krookodile
315	Fast Keldeo
317	Max Speed Kyurem, Max Speed Darmanitan
319	Fast Latios
322	Max Speed Haxorus
324	Max Speed Hydreigon
326	Max Speed Genesect
328	Max Speed Volcarona, Max Speed Shaymin, Max Speed Zapdos, Max Speed Celebi, Max Speed Staraptor
329	Fast Raikou
331	Scarf Fast Tyranitar, +1 Fast Tyranitar, Max Speed Thundurus-T, Max Speed Landorus
333	Max Speed Garchomp, Max Speed Mienshao
346	Max Speed Keldeo, Max Speed Terrakion, Max Speed Infernape, Max Speed Virizion
348	Max Speed Durant
350	Max Speed Latios, Max Speed Latias, Max Speed Archeops, Max Speed Gengar
353	Max Speed Thundurus, Max Speed Tornadus
358	Scarf Fast Metagross, +2 Max Speed Carracosta
360	Scarf Max Speed Jellicent
361	Max Speed Raikou, Max Speed Ambipom, Max Speed Starmie, Max Speed Cinccino
372	Max Speed Alakazam, Max Speed Sceptile
375	Max Speed Tornadus-T
378	+2 Fast Crustle, Scarf Fast Heatran
388	Scarf Fast Chandelure, Scarf Fast Mammoswine, Scarf Fast Medicham
391	Scarf Fast Gyarados
394	Max Speed Aerodactyl
403	Scarf Fast Cresselia, Scarf Fast Sawk, Scarf Fast Heracross
419	Scarf Fast Porygon-Z
421	Scarf Fast Landorus-T
426	Scarf Max Speed Medicham
439	Scarf Fast Haxorus
442	Scarf Max Speed Heracross
448	+1 Fast Volcarona
472	Scarf Fast Keldeo
475	Scarf Max Speed Kyurem, Scarf Max Speed Darmanitan
486	Scarf Max Speed Hydreigon
489	Scarf Max Speed Genesect
492	+1 Max Speed Volcarona, Scarf Max Speed Salamence, Scarf Max Speed Staraptor
499	Scarf Max Speed Garchomp
519	Scarf Max Speed Terrakion
525	Scarf Max Speed Archeops
538	Rain Boosted Fast Kingdra
546	Unburden Fast Hitmonlee
594	+2 Fast Genesect

Samples
- by DEG
- by Potatochan, DEG, and Itchy
- by Gym socks!
- by Lumii
- by Potatochan

Sets Compendium: https://pokepast.es/5f47a08cbd40bfd7

 

[Euphonos]

DPP 1v1​

Ruleset - Picked Team Size = 1, Max Team Size = 3, Standard, Accuracy Moves Clause, Sleep Moves Clause, Team Preview
(Standard clauses include Obtainable, Species Clause, Nickname Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Items Clause, Evasion Moves Clause, and Endless Battle Clause.)

Bans:
Pokemon - Arceus, Clefable Darkrai, Deoxys-Attack, Deoxys-Base, Deoxys-Defense, Deoxys-Speed,
Dialga, Garchomp, Giratina, Giratina-Origin, Groudon, Ho-oh, Jirachi, Kyogre, Latias,
Latios, Lugia, Machamp, Manaphy, Mew, Mewtwo, Palkia, Porygon-Z, Rayquaza,
Salamence,Shaymin, Shaymin-Sky, Snorlax, Togekiss
Items (not covered by aforementioned clauses) -

Focus Band,

Focus Sash,

Quick Claw,

Soul Dew
Moves (not covered by aforementioned clauses) - Destiny Bond, Explosion, Perish Song, Self-Destruct

some elements legal in this metagame include:

Pokemon: Wobbuffet, Wynaut
Abilities: Arena Trap, Sand Veil, Snow Cloak

Key Mechanics (interpolated from LRXC's ADV 1v1 Key Mechanics section)

1. This is the generation where the Physical/Special Split is introduced. There is now a physical/special/status category for each move regardless of type that uses its either Attack or Special Attack stat.

- Hidden Power will always be Special regardless of type.​

2. This is the only generation where Taunt, Disable, and Encore have potentially the longest duration: 3-5 turns, 4-7 turns, and 4-8 turns, respectively. Mental Herb does not cure any of those conditions.
3. On Recoil:

- Life Orb recoil doesn't count when the Life Orb user hits a Substitute.​

- Struggle now has a 25% fixed HP recoil starting this generation, regardless of the damage dealt.​

- Pokemon fainted through recoil damage (counting Life Orb) after taking down opposing Pokemon will result in a tie. As such, with the exception of Clefable, all sets in the compendium with either a Life Orb held or a Recoil move in its moveslot will eventually be phased out.​

4. Sitrus Berry heals 25% HP when the Pokemon is at less than 50% health.
5. On Trick / Switcheroo: When you receive a Choice item upon Tricking your held Choice item, you will be locked into using Trick or Switcheroo.
6. Magic Guard prevents a Pokemon from being fully paralyzed (applies only this generation).
7. Mail is not revealed on preview, unlike in Generation 5.

VR Council: Euphonos (Leader), stravench, Elo Bandit, Nuxl, Jamez
Resources:

VR

S
Cresselia
Tyranitar

S-
Clefable
Zapdos

A+
Infernape
Raikou

A
Celebi
Dragonite
Metagross

A-
Aerodactyl
Hariyama
Heatran
Kingdra
Rhyperior
Suicune

B+
Arcanine
Bronzong
Empoleon
Gyarados
Heracross
Registeel
Rotom-Appliance
Scizor
Slaking
Swampert
Venusaur

B
Azelf
Gallade
Hippowdon
Sceptile
Staraptor
Tangrowth
Weavile

B-
Alakazam
Ambipom
Armaldo
Breloom
Entei
Gastrodon
Medicham
Moltres
Umbreon

C+
Azumarill
Blissey
Electivire
Roserade

C
Ampharos
Feraligatr
Flygon
Gengar
Jolteon
Magmortar
Mamoswine
Poliwrath
Slowbro
Ursaring

C-
Abomasnow
Articuno
Camerupt
Cradily
Dusknoir
Lanturn
Porygon2
Regice
Regirock
Spiritomb
Torterra
Walrein
Yanmega

D
Blaziken
Gliscor
Houndoom
Lucario
Magnezone

Speed Tiers

96	Bulky Slowbro
102	Bulky Bronzong
106	Bulky Spiritomb
114	Bulky Gastrodon
116	Bulky Rhyperior, Fast Camerupt
122	Bulky Cradily
126	Bulky Armaldo, Bulky Dusknoir
136	Bulky Hariyama, Bulky Registeel, Bulky Tangrowth, Bulky Azumarill, Bulky Regice, Bulky Regirock
130	Bulky Hippowdon
146	Bulky Blissey, Bulky Ursaring
148	Bulky Torterra
156	Bulky Clefable, Bulky Swampert, Bulky Empoleon, Bulky Abomasnow, Bulky Porygon2
158	Bulky Tyranitar
166	Bulky Scizor, Bulky Umbreon, Bulky Walrein
170	Bulky Lanturn
179	Fast Rhyperior
190	Bulky Heatran
196	Bulky Venusaur, Bulky Medicham, Bulky Mamoswine, Bulky Blaziken
206	Bulky Cresselia, Bulky Suicune, Bulky Heracross, Bulky Articuno
208	Bulky Rotom-A
211	Fast Torterra
216	Bulky Roserade
219	Fast Clefable, Fast Magnezone
221	Fast Tyranitar
227	-Nature Fast Heatran
229	Max Speed Ursaring
236	Bulky Jirachi, Bulky Slaking, Bulky Entei
239	Fast Metagross
240	Max Speed Magnezone
259	Fast Dragonite
261	Fast Gyarados
265	Fast Magmortar
269	Fast Cresselia, Fast Kingdra, Fast Heracross
271	Fast Rotom-A
279	Fast Roserade
284	Max Speed Dragonite, Max Speed Gallade, Max Speed Mamoswine
289	Fast Arcanine, Fast Electivire, Fast Yanmega, Fast Gliscor
295	Max Speed Suicune, Max Speed Heracross
298	Max Speed Rotom-A
299	Fast Zapdos, Fast Jirachi, Fast Celebi, Fast Slaking, Fast Staraptor, Fast Entei, Fast Flygon
306	Max Speed Moltres, Max Speed Lucario
310	Scarf Max Speed Dusknoir
315	Fast Infernape
317	Max Speed Houndoom
328	Max Speed Zapdos, Max Speed Jirachi, Max Speed Slaking, Max Speed Staraptor, Max Speed Flygon
329	Fast Raikou
331	+1 Fast Tyranitar
340	Scarf -Nature Fast Heatran
346	Max Speed Infernape
350	Max Speed Gengar
360	Scarf Max Speed Abomasnow
361	Max Speed Raikou, Max Speed Azelf, Max Speed Ambipom, Max Speed Starmie
364	Scarf Max Speed Tyranitar
372	Max Speed Sceptile, Max Speed Alakazam
383	Max Speed Weavile
388	Scarf Fast Dragonite
391	+1 Fast Gyarados
393	Scarf Max Speed Metagross
394	Max Speed Aerodactyl, Max Speed Jolteon
403	+1 Fast Kingdra, Scarf Fast Heracross
406	Scarf Fast Rotom-A
426	Scarf Max Speed Dragonite, +1 Max Speed Dragonite, Scarf Max Speed Blaziken
433	Scarf Fast Electivire, +1 Fast Yanmega
442	+1 Max Speed Heracross
447	Scarf Max Speed Rotom-A
448	Scarf Fast Celebi, Scarf Fast Staraptor
492	Scarf Max Speed Jirachi, Scarf Max Speed Staraptor
538	Rain Boosted Fast Kingdra
578	+2 Fast Gliscor

Sample Teams:

Swampert Offense - Jamez
Rotom Offense - Jamez
The World’s Greatest - Euphonos
Metagross Offense - PA

Set Compendium (updated as of 23 January 2024, still updating for other sets) - https://pokepast.es/6805cb6ce21f0ca7
Set Explanations (still in progress) - http://spo.ink/dpp1v1setexpmk2

Set Compendium Archives:
30 September 2022 - https://pokepast.es/d9b2ca7f7c6fd829
Somewhere around 2020 (ft. Jirachi + Shaymin) - https://pokepast.es/e3f75c83e46fd3b8

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Inactive Council: Jabiru, Inkreativ, 187 Fan

 

[LRXC]

ADV 1v1​

Ruleset: Obtainable, Species Clause, Nickname Clause, Moody Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Moves Clause, Accuracy Moves Clause, Endless Battle Clause, HP Percentage Mod, Cancel Mod, Team Preview

Bans: Slaking, Clefable, Deoxys, Deoxys-Attack, Deoxys-Defense, Deoxys-Speed, Groudon, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Latias, Latios, Lugia, Mew, Mewtwo, Rayquaza, Snorlax, Suicune, Zapdos, Flash, Ingrain, Kinesis, Mud-Slap, Muddy Water, Octazooka, Perish Song, Sand Attack, Smokescreen, Destiny Bond, Explosion, Self Destruct, Sleep Powder, Spore, Hypnosis, Yawn, Lovely Kiss, Sing, Grass Whistle, Kings Rock, Brightpowder, Lax Incense, Quick Claw, Focus Band

Key Mechanics:
- There is no physical special split. All moves are either physical or special dependent on their type. Including hidden power, which can be physical or special. Best way to remember, All of the current Eevolutions+Dragon is Special, everything else is Physical!
- Choice Scarf and Choice Specs do not exist in this gen.
- Struggle works differently in ADV than in later generations. Instead of taking 1/4 of its HP as recoil, a mon will merely take recoil equal to 1/4 of the damage dealt when struggling.
- Sitrus Berry only heals 30 HP total and berries like Aguav only heal 1/8th (12.5%) of the Pokemon's health. (do not use)
- Taunt only lasts 2 turns and Mental Herb doesn't heal from Taunt
- GENGAR HAS LEVITATE
- Hidden Power's are considered Physical when calculating Counter, so you cannot Mirror Coat any Hidden Powers, but can Counter all of them
- Trace does not Trace Intimidate and then lower Attack
- Sound moves do not go through Substitute

Tie rule

This rule is only to be enforced inside of Room Tournaments

When two players find themselves in a match that would end up going to turn 1000 (happens if both players run out of PP and both Struggles do 6% damage or less), the game is to be coinflipped with the use of the command !pick

Council: LRXC (Tier Leader), Urfgurgle (Co-Leader), Elo Bandit, Justdelemon, Murman, SuperMemeBroz

Viability Rankings

VR Voting Sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UbE3DBVsIImcdIEG78OWGdODgi5Rdjxck56YafMY-rI/edit?usp=sharing

S Rank
Raikou

S- Rank
Sceptile

A+ Rank
Blissey
Heracross
Marowak
Salamence

A Rank
Alakazam
Celebi
Kingdra
Metagross
Registeel
Swampert
Tauros
Vaporeon

A- Rank
Gyarados
Moltres
Regice
Starmie
Tyranitar
Ursaring

B+ Rank
Arcanine
Charizard
Entei
Hariyama
Jirachi
Ludicolo
Machamp
Walrein


B Rank
Aerodactyl
Armaldo
Blaziken
Gengar
Regirock
Scizor
Venusaur


B- Rank
Blastoise
Dodrio
Dusclops
Dragonite
Houndoom
Jumpluff
Medicham


C+ Rank
Cradily
Grumpig
Jolteon
Meganium
Milotic
Miltank
Typhlosion

C Rank
Articuno
Hitmontop
Porygon2
Shedinja
Skarmory
Slowbro

C- Rank
Claydol
Crobat
Flygon
Gardevoir
Illumise
Kangaskhan
Kecleon
Poliwrath
Rhydon
Scyther
Swalot
Vigoroth

THE SETS COMPENDIUM

https://pokepast.es/8f97839e0be942dd

^LOOK HERE ^

VIDEO EXPLAINING OLD SETS COMPENDIUM

*there has been an update to the sets compendium since the video

Speed tiers

1. 96	Bulky Slowbro
   116	Bulky Kecleon, Bulky Rhydon
   122	Bulky Cradily
   126	Bulky Marowak
   136	Bulky Registeel, Bulky Regice, Bulky Regirock, Bulky Hariyama
   146	Bulky Blissey, Bulky Ursaring, Bulky Machamp, Bulky Swalot
   156	Bulky Swampert, Bulky Porygon2
   158	Bulky Tyranitar
   166	Bulky Vaporeon
   176	Bulky Metagross, Bulky Ludicolo, Bulky Skarmory
   179	Fast Shedinja, Bulky Poliwrath
   189	Fast Marowak, Fast Armaldo
   196	Bulky Medicham, Bulky Dragonite, Bulky Grumpig
   198	Fast Gyarados, Bulky Milotic
   203	-Nature Arcanine
   206	Bulky Kingdra, Bulky Illumise
   209	Fast Ursaring, Fast Machamp
   226	Bulky Arcanine
   229	Fast Vaporeon, Fast Walrein
   236	Bulky Salamence, Bulky Celebi, Bulky Charizard, Bulky Jirachi, Bulky Typhlosion, Bulky Flygon
   237	+1 Bulky Tyranitar
   239	Fast Metagross
   243	Max Speed Tyranitar
   251	Max Speed Walrein
   255	Fast Blastoise
   256	Bulky Tauros, Bulky Gengar
   259	Fast Venusaur, Fast Blaziken, Fast Medicham, Fast Dragonite, Fast Grumpig
   261	Fast Milotic
   262	Max Speed Metagross
   266	Bulky Raikou
   269	Fast Heracross, Fast Kingdra, Fast Articuno
   276	Bulky Sceptile
   279	Fast Moltres
   284	Max Speed Venusaur, Max Speed Blaziken
   289	Fast Houndoom
   295	Max Speed Heracross
   299	Fast Salamence, Fast Celebi, Fast Entei, Fast Jirachi, Fast Typhlosion, Fast Flygon
   306	Max Speed Moltres
   317	Max Speed Houndoom
   319	Fast Tauros, Fast Gengar, Fast Dodrio
   328	Max Speed Salamence, Max Speed Celebi, Max Speed Charizard, Max Speed Entei, Max Speed Jirachi, Max Speed Typhlosion
   329	Fast Raikou, Fast Starmie
   331	+1 Fast Tyranitar
   339	Fast Sceptile, Fast Alakazam, Max Speed Scyther
   350	Max Speed Tauros, Max Speed Gengar, Max Speed Dodrio
   352	Rain Boosted Bulky Ludicolo
   354	+1 Bulky Salamence
   359	Fast Aerodactyl
   361	Max Speed Raikou, Max Speed Starmie
   364	+1 Max Speed Tyranitar
   372	Max Speed Sceptile, Max Speed Alakazam
   388	+1 Fast Blaziken
   391	+1 Fast Gyarados
   394	Max Speed Aerodactyl, Max Speed Jolteon, Max Speed Crobat
   403	+1 Fast Heracross, +1 Fast Kingdra
   412	Rain Boosted Bulky Kingdra
   448	+1 Fast Salamence, +1 Fast Typhlosion
   538	Rain Boosted Fast Kingdra

   
   
   
   
   
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Sample teams:


Sombrero Underground by Urfgurgle


Hungryfoodies 2 by Opchurtle100


Won ggs

Archived Samples

fraun team by fruan


The Brokens Revamp, by LRXC


Bandgross + DoublePetaya, by crucify


Blissmence BUGGIN, by LRXC


Blastoise and the BOYS, by LRXC


Jurassic Waterpark, by LRXC


Kecleon and the LEGENDS, by LRXC



Fargo's Pizza by SuperMemeBroz


Little Pogchamps by LRXC and Opchurtle100 (Hungryfoodies)

 

[Elo Bandit]

GSC 1v1​

Ruleset: Obtainable, Species Clause, Nickname Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Moves Clause, Accuracy Moves Clause, HP Percentage Mod, Cancel Mod, Team Preview

Bans: Celebi, Ho-Oh, Lugia, Mew, Mewtwo, Snorlax, Clefable, Zapdos, Alakazam, Hypnosis, Lovely Kiss, Sing, Sleep Powder, Spore, Explosion, Self-Destruct, Flash, Kinesis, Sand Attack, Smokescreen, Mud Slap, Octazooka, Swagger, Attract, Perish Song, Destiny Bond, Present, Berserk Gene, Bright Powder, King's Rock, Focus Band, Quick Claw

Council Members: Elo Bandit (TL), SuperMemeBroz, Urfgurgle, superstrike66, Murman, swag god

VR

S Rank
Raikou

S- Rank
Machamp
Starmie

A+ Rank
Blissey
Heracross
Marowak
Tyranitar
Vaporeon

A Rank
Exeggutor
Tauros
Venusaur

A- Rank
Dragonite
Jumpluff
Kingdra
Skarmory
Ursaring

B+ Rank
Articuno
Gyarados
Houndoom
Jolteon
Mr. Mime
Porygon2
Steelix

B Rank
Charizard
Entei
Gengar
Jynx
Meganium
Miltank
Moltres
Nidoking
Primeape
Slowking
Umbreon

B- Rank
Aerodactyl
Arcanine
Dodrio
Electabuzz
Kadabra
Magmar
Muk
Persian
Piloswine
Politoed
Scizor
Slowbro
Suicune
Victreebel

C+ Rank
Espeon
Golem
Hitmonlee
Misdreavus
Poliwrath
Raichu
Scyther
Smeargle
Tentacruel
Xatu

C Rank
Chansey
Cloyster
Dewgong
Donphan
Gligar
Golduck
Hypno
Kangaskhan
Lanturn
Lapras
Mantine
Quagsire
Rhydon
Typhlosion

C- Rank
Bellossom
Blastoise
Crobat
Murkrow
Omastar

Unranked
Clefairy
Forretress
Nidoqueen
Pikachu

VR Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...waHIhThR0o93mwv58DdCAdL9Tk/edit#gid=160845820

GSC 1v1 Resources: https://pokepast.es/d7ae997e43d23018
Set Comp: https://pokepast.es/49b5a1718f243fc6
GSC Quirks: https://pokepast.es/71320697743c529e

Sample Teams:

Blissey Sample by Elo Bandit

Gyarados Sample by Elo Bandit

Machamp Sample by Elo Bandit

Heracross Sample by Elo Bandit

Murmegg by Murman

icy boi by swag god

 

[Elo Bandit]

RBY 1v1 ​

Ruleset: Obtainable, Species Clause, Nickname Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Moves Clause, Accuracy Moves Clause, Endless Battle Clause, HP Percentage Mod, Cancel Mod, Team Preview
Bans: Mewtwo, Mew, Hypnosis, Lovely Kiss, Mud Slap, Sing, Sleep Powder, Spore, Explosion, Self-Destruct, Flash, Kinesis, Sand Attack, Smokescreen, Wrap, Bind, Fire Spin, Clamp

VR Council: Elo Bandit (TL), Murman, Urfgurgle, Volk

VR

S Rank
Snorlax
Starmie
Alakazam
Jolteon
Tauros

A Rank
Chansey
Rhydon
Slowbro
Zapdos
Articuno

B Rank
Exeggutor
Gengar
Hitmonlee
Moltres
Lapras

C Rank
Venusaur
Raichu
Jynx
Kabutops
Sandslash

D Rank
Golduck
Golem
Electabuzz
Primeape
Poliwrath
Persian
Gyarados
Tentacruel
Nidoking
Nidoqueen

VR Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SrDOzqPWOAFufCbJIoHFnVIPEljB-J5xocnTZVM70Hg

RBY 1v1 Resources: https://pokepast.es/6a97d28482f92d15
Condensed Set Comp: https://pokepast.es/0edb5c665c464175
Extended Set Comp: https://pokepast.es/b482a7e711aed3e9
RBY Quirks: https://pokepast.es/d424009be5343fbd
RBY Crit Chances: https://www.smogon.com/rb/articles/critical_hits
RBY 1v1 Matchup Chart: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...enZjdgMUfZRqxR1pwEiy8bU58/edit#gid=1734156663

Sample Teams:

Snorlax Sample by Elo Bandit

Rhydon Sample by Elo Bandit

Chansey Sample by Elo Bandit & bea

Zapdos Sample by Elo Bandit

Tauros Sample by Elo Bandit

Exeggutor Sample by Murman

 

[XSTATIC COLD]

suggest ban for kyu b in bw 1v1 ... This shit is litterally broken especially that fairy didnt exist in gen 5 ... so it breaks all the meta. I must take scarf haxorus to beat it ( and again it can tank if it is ev'd in def).
In fact Kyurem can destroy all the meta, it depends if it is scarf or band, or weakness policy...

Sorry but a 700 bs mon with mold breaker and a devastating attack base (which can be mixed with spe atck) is literally insane.
I ask for a ban.

 

[dom]

suggest ban for kyu b in bw 1v1 ... This shit is litterally broken especially that fairy didnt exist in gen 5 ... so it breaks all the meta. I must take scarf haxorus to beat it ( and again it can tank if it is ev'd in def).
In fact Kyurem can destroy all the meta, it depends if it is scarf or band, or weakness policy...

Sorry but a 700 bs mon with mold breaker and a devastating attack base (which can be mixed with spe atck) is literally insane.
I ask for a ban.

On paper its pretty annoying but theres no lack of steels or whatever to beat this mon, and Jirachi being the best mon in the tier does it no favors. It has not shown itself to be broken in bw 1v1 in classic (loses to other shit like cress too, band or whatever has so much opportunity cost) and additionally absolutely nobody that had i think wco1v1 bw success wanted to ban it. I dont want a ban off the table but i really think this is you (who hasnt played bw 1v1 in tour at all) speculating. Much more broken mon on paper than in practice.

Again not opposed to a suspect later on but unless 3000 new sets emerge I don't think we should focus on it right now.

 

[XSTATIC COLD]

yeah i agree that jirachi is broken too... but don't forget that weakness policy kyurem earth power beat jirachi, and the problem is that only a minority beats Kyurem.
The thing i don't understand is : why kyurem is banned in gen 7 with all fairys, and is not banned in gen 5 whereas it is more broken in gen 5 than gen 7 cause fairy didnt exist...

Why you said i didnt play bw 1v1? i always play 1v1 bw in official, and i can affirm that three quarters of my loss are due to kyurem.

 

[dom]

yeah i agree that jirachi is broken too... but don't forget that weakness policy kyurem earth power beat jirachi, and the problem is that only a minority beats Kyurem.
The thing i don't understand is : why kyurem is banned in gen 7 with all fairys, and is not banned in gen 5 whereas it is more broken in gen 5 than gen 7 cause fairy didnt exist...

Why you said i didnt play bw 1v1? i always play 1v1 bw in official, and i can affirm that three quarters of my loss are due to kyurem.

Weakness policy does not exist in gen 5, lol. I'm saying you haven't played in stuff like BW cup but either way roomtours suck. WP literally doesn't exist in BW and this kinda proves my point about you not playing enough.

Not only is its Choice Scarf that good, though it is

Honestly, it's not a super good set.

but its other sets are way better at handling its threat, with specially defensive Specs taking care of PZ, Genesect, Heatran, and other such Scarf-countering Special attackers

This is a complete non-existant set. Have not seen it in classic at all. Not to mention it's not reliable to beat something like tran who can dodge a Focus Miss.

and physically defensive CBand countering Scarf-countering physical attackers like Scarf Chomp, Cresselia amongst others.. And there's the ever-present Scarf for the Speed factor. (Of course specially defensive Band, and physically defensive Band sets are also good, but that would make this post too much work; I'll drop some calculations just to show its tanking capabilities...)

252 Atk Garchomp Outrage vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kyurem-Black: 390-462 (99.7 - 118.1%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
Absolutely NOBODY is gonna slap a scarf chomp on their team (ever, that mon sucks) and be like, "yeah i countered kyub". cress can easily reflect on kyub and beat it unless its running some toxic bs. We should ban a mon that abuses being versatile, not one that can.

This Kyub discussion from players who haven't played BW in a tour (yes i know about that young dramps thing that died) is pretty silly. You guys are talking about sets that don't or literally can't exist. It's a versatile mon that doesn't actually use any of the sets you guys say it does. Not saying you guys shouldn't have a voice you're both just not basing your arguments off reality.

 

[XSTATIC COLD]

yeah i believed it was introduiced in gen 5, my bad.
But anyway it is insane, a 700 bs mon which can tank outrages, which can ohko nearly all meta and which have mold breaker... it's too much.

List of mons potentially beating kyurem :
scarf haxorus , jirachi, scarf latios, maybe scizor and ferro if he doesnt have hp fire...

You just have to put a heatran like mate and you cover all meta.

=> not broken

 

[The Official Glyx]

Submitting a potential sample team for Gen 6 1v1:

Two Tanks

Metagross @ Metagrossite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 224 Def / 32 SpD
Impish Nature
- Thunder Punch
- Ice Punch
- Bulldoze / Rock Tomb / Substitute
- Iron Head / Meteor Mash

Medicham @ Medichamite
Ability: Pure Power
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- High Jump Kick
- Zen Headbutt
- Poison Jab

Tyranitar @ Tyranitarite
Ability: Unnerve
EVs: 48 HP / 252 SpD / 208 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Rock Tomb / Dragon Dance
- Crunch
- Taunt
- Iron Head / Counter / Rock move if you're using DD

Pokepaste for convenience https://pokepast.es/dbbc044e05d6377f

description

Metagross and Ttar bulk most of the metagame while Medi handles some of the particular threats like Venusaur, Whimsicott, Volcanion, and Rhyperior. At first glance you might think the team gets bodied by Bandchomp, but Metagross actually bulks an Earthquake plus Rough Skin dmg and KOs with Ice Punch.
Metagross is basically just all coverage, each move beating particular mons like Tpunch for Gyara, Ice Punch for Chomp/Dnite, Bulldoze/Tomb for Greninja, Substitute for Mawile, etc.
Medicham is a go-to breaker for most bulky Pokemon, since Fake Out + HJK rips things in half, also having two coverage slots that it can do whatever it wants with.
Tyranitar is your answer to some of the stallier mons like Slowbro, Mew, and Jumpluff, thanks to Taunt. It's also bulked to barely live a Gren specs Cannon and outspeed it after a tomb or dd

Main threats to the team are:

• Mawile, which you need Sub on megagross for in order to dodge sucker
• Other Megagross, which Counter on Ttar kinda covers
• A few other mons with really heavily on cteam-ish sets

 

[Chickenpie2]

osra say heye to sableye

 

[The Official Glyx]

osra say heye to sableye

highkey forgot that even existed

 

[CrashinBoomBang]

High off my win this week, and (in my opinion) having a pretty good grasp on DPP 1v1 after following it, building for it, and playing it for a few months now, I figured I'd give some input.

First of all, some placements. I think Rhyperior and especially Cressellia are extremely overrated. Yeah, they're both still very good, and definitely require some very intricate counterplay, but the issue I have with them is that they are extremely easy to beat in the teambuilder with very little extra effort required. I think we can an all agree that both have one definite best set: SD Endure Custap for Rhyperior and Reflect CM for Cresselia. They're both good and beat a good deal of Pokemon. But again, they are extremely predictable and easy to tech for, and their other sets are about five times worse. Sure, you will catch something offguard with CB Rhyperior or TrickSpecs/Scarf once in a while, but that is hardly reliable, especially not with how common Mail is becoming. Compare that to the (in my opinion) best Pokemon in the tier, Suicune. Very good "main set", and even stuff that beats it "in the builder" is very prone to losing to techs, with SpDef and Wacan + Mirror Coat Suicune seeing use to beat Electrics. I think Suicune is the objective best because it can tailor itself to support the rest of your team instead of being stuck in one role a la Cress/Rhyp, and it can be tailor made to beat/lure pretty much anything.

Apart from that, there are some curious omissions: Torterra (probably the single best TTar/Rhyp check in the tier with some other obvious applications, such as beating CB DNite), Feraligatr (Literally beats the entirety of S and A+ minus Rotom and some strange TTar/Rachi sets, but they have to be quite specific), Raikou (How the fuck is Ampharos on there but not the mon that beats anything fat by itself and the one Electric that can halfway reliably beat ALL cune sets? Surely dumbass counter can't be that good). I also think Heracross and Hariyama should be a LOT higher given Machamps placement. I know that people love relying on luck a lot which I will get to in my next point, but Hariyama and Machamp are functionally very similar. One can luck slower mons and beats Gyarados, one beats CB Dragonite and Heatran. Heracross is a fighter with an extremely easy time against Suicune and Cresselia, and that also beats Grass types reliably, but loses to Rotom bar CB Night Slash vs Non Specs Overheat. There's definitely not this many subranks between these.

Lastly, the (to me) elephant in the room. Jirachi. This thing SUCKS. Now, I don't know if people just figure it's good here because it got banned in SM, but wow, this thing is fucking awful. First of all, the competition it has with Bronzong. There's exactly 2 things Scarf Rachi beats reliably that CB Zong doesn't (note the term reliably): Dragonite and Gyarados, and you need a fuckload of bulk to eat CB Gyaras EQ because TPunch definitely doesn't OHKO. That's pretty much the end of the list, but it's two relatively minor Pokemon given that they both have 1.5 sets and a readily abusable 4x weakness each. Why did I use the term reliably? Because, against half the tier, yes, technically you can win, but it requires a TON of flinches in most cases. Let's take a look at the upper ranks:

Cresselia: If it gets up Reflect you're up shit creek without a paddle. This is actually one of Jirachi's easier matchups just because Cresselia can't hurt you, meaning you probably get the full 24 PP. If you run out and Cresselia is alive, you lose. Trick can work, but Mail is getting quite common.

Rhyperior: Loss unless you use the bulkiest Jirachi in the world and flinch twice. You can tech GK, but given the fact that Rhyperior loses little from using Endure T1, that's a poor solution.

Heatran: Loss.

Infernape: Bulky Scarf ZH beats all non bulky Infernape reliably, but ZH is hard to fit on. Very likely loss without Zen.

Jirachi: -

Rotom: Extremely likely to lose to the best Rotom set (Bulky Specs Rotom-H). Needs too many flinches and Overheat cooks you. Other formes 2HKO with TBolt. Actually favored against Scarfed because TBolt doesnt 2hko and Scarf is really frail, but Scarf Rotom is also really bad.

Suicune: Trick beats non Mail, otherwise you need a crit with TPunch before you run out of PP, which isn't in your favor with Pressure. Mail is one of the only two items Suicune should carry, and dropping TP is an instant loss bar ZH luck.

Tyranitar: Actually not as much in Jirachi's favor as you'd think. 60% to flinch, and should you not, CB EQ OHKOs you. Beats non CB EQ/Counter TTar reliably.

Blissey: Counter OHKOs you and, again, Trick is a big gamble with the prevalence of Mail. Needs at least 2, if not 3 flinches (36 and 20% respectively.)

Celebi: Very reliant on the Celebi set. If you run Bulky Scarf, Scarf Celebi will probably outspeed you, but Scarf EP is quite rare. Needs 2 out of 3 flinches against bulky Specs which is certainly in Jirachis favor but hardly reliable.

Dragonite: Jirachi should win this every time.

Gengar: Jirachi should win this every time bar Scarf Gengar getting extremely lucky.

Metagross: Very unlikely for Jirachi to win, Gross is way too strong and bulky. EQ 2HKOs and CB can OHKO. Legitimately needs like 6 flinches.

Snorlax: Trick is risky because CB Lax is gonna smash you, and if you don't flinch Curse then it'll give you a hard time as well. I wanna say Jirachi is favored, but it definitely isn't a lot.

Zapdos: Bulky Specs is going to send you to hell with Heat Wave. IHead needs way too many flinches. If you can somehow EV for Heat Wave while 2HKOing with Ice Punch then you are approaching "safe" territory. Still sounds like a bad investment.

And keep in mind that this was only the top 3 ranks and Jirachi still barely has any good matchups that don't involve massive luck. Further down we get stuff like Swampert (resists IH with no good weakness to hit and has STAB EQ), Slaking (252+ needs 3 flinches every time and CB EQ OHKOs regardless of bulk), Torterra (lives IP and OHKOs with CB EQ), and a ton more. It just makes no sense to me. Of course, this only talks about ScarfRachi, but that is by far its most common set. You can run some weird lure sets, but why? Bronzong is a lot better at this unless you really need the speed because it can choose its matchups with two amazing abilities compared to (in a lure context) bad Serene Grace. Please move this trash down.

That's all for now! If you have any questions about anything I said, please let me know! DPP OU may be godawful, but I think DPP 1v1 is a lot of fun!

 

[Hijasu]

High off my win this week, and (in my opinion) having a pretty good grasp on DPP 1v1 after following it, building for it, and playing it for a few months now, I figured I'd give some input.

First of all, some placements. I think Rhyperior and especially Cressellia are extremely overrated. Yeah, they're both still very good, and definitely require some very intricate counterplay, but the issue I have with them is that they are extremely easy to beat in the teambuilder with very little extra effort required. I think we can an all agree that both have one definite best set: SD Endure Custap for Rhyperior and Reflect CM for Cresselia. They're both good and beat a good deal of Pokemon. But again, they are extremely predictable and easy to tech for, and their other sets are about five times worse. Sure, you will catch something offguard with CB Rhyperior or TrickSpecs/Scarf once in a while, but that is hardly reliable, especially not with how common Mail is becoming. Compare that to the (in my opinion) best Pokemon in the tier, Suicune. Very good "main set", and even stuff that beats it "in the builder" is very prone to losing to techs, with SpDef and Wacan + Mirror Coat Suicune seeing use to beat Electrics. I think Suicune is the objective best because it can tailor itself to support the rest of your team instead of being stuck in one role a la Cress/Rhyp, and it can be tailor made to beat/lure pretty much anything.

Apart from that, there are some curious omissions: Torterra (probably the single best TTar/Rhyp check in the tier with some other obvious applications, such as beating CB DNite), Feraligatr (Literally beats the entirety of S and A+ minus Rotom and some strange TTar/Rachi sets, but they have to be quite specific), Raikou (How the fuck is Ampharos on there but not the mon that beats anything fat by itself and the one Electric that can halfway reliably beat ALL cune sets? Surely dumbass counter can't be that good). I also think Heracross and Hariyama should be a LOT higher given Machamps placement. I know that people love relying on luck a lot which I will get to in my next point, but Hariyama and Machamp are functionally very similar. One can luck slower mons and beats Gyarados, one beats CB Dragonite and Heatran. Heracross is a fighter with an extremely easy time against Suicune and Cresselia, and that also beats Grass types reliably, but loses to Rotom bar CB Night Slash vs Non Specs Overheat. There's definitely not this many subranks between these.

Lastly, the (to me) elephant in the room. Jirachi. This thing SUCKS. Now, I don't know if people just figure it's good here because it got banned in SM, but wow, this thing is fucking awful. First of all, the competition it has with Bronzong. There's exactly 2 things Scarf Rachi beats reliably that CB Zong doesn't (note the term reliably): Dragonite and Gyarados, and you need a fuckload of bulk to eat CB Gyaras EQ because TPunch definitely doesn't OHKO. That's pretty much the end of the list, but it's two relatively minor Pokemon given that they both have 1.5 sets and a readily abusable 4x weakness each. Why did I use the term reliably? Because, against half the tier, yes, technically you can win, but it requires a TON of flinches in most cases. Let's take a look at the upper ranks:

Cresselia: If it gets up Reflect you're up shit creek without a paddle. This is actually one of Jirachi's easier matchups just because Cresselia can't hurt you, meaning you probably get the full 24 PP. If you run out and Cresselia is alive, you lose. Trick can work, but Mail is getting quite common.

Rhyperior: Loss unless you use the bulkiest Jirachi in the world and flinch twice. You can tech GK, but given the fact that Rhyperior loses little from using Endure T1, that's a poor solution.

Heatran: Loss.

Infernape: Bulky Scarf ZH beats all non bulky Infernape reliably, but ZH is hard to fit on. Very likely loss without Zen.

Jirachi: -

Rotom: Extremely likely to lose to the best Rotom set (Bulky Specs Rotom-H). Needs too many flinches and Overheat cooks you. Other formes 2HKO with TBolt. Actually favored against Scarfed because TBolt doesnt 2hko and Scarf is really frail, but Scarf Rotom is also really bad.

Suicune: Trick beats non Mail, otherwise you need a crit with TPunch before you run out of PP, which isn't in your favor with Pressure. Mail is one of the only two items Suicune should carry, and dropping TP is an instant loss bar ZH luck.

Tyranitar: Actually not as much in Jirachi's favor as you'd think. 60% to flinch, and should you not, CB EQ OHKOs you. Beats non CB EQ/Counter TTar reliably.

Blissey: Counter OHKOs you and, again, Trick is a big gamble with the prevalence of Mail. Needs at least 2, if not 3 flinches (36 and 20% respectively.)

Celebi: Very reliant on the Celebi set. If you run Bulky Scarf, Scarf Celebi will probably outspeed you, but Scarf EP is quite rare. Needs 2 out of 3 flinches against bulky Specs which is certainly in Jirachis favor but hardly reliable.

Dragonite: Jirachi should win this every time.

Gengar: Jirachi should win this every time bar Scarf Gengar getting extremely lucky.

Metagross: Very unlikely for Jirachi to win, Gross is way too strong and bulky. EQ 2HKOs and CB can OHKO. Legitimately needs like 6 flinches.

Snorlax: Trick is risky because CB Lax is gonna smash you, and if you don't flinch Curse then it'll give you a hard time as well. I wanna say Jirachi is favored, but it definitely isn't a lot.

Zapdos: Bulky Specs is going to send you to hell with Heat Wave. IHead needs way too many flinches. If you can somehow EV for Heat Wave while 2HKOing with Ice Punch then you are approaching "safe" territory. Still sounds like a bad investment.

And keep in mind that this was only the top 3 ranks and Jirachi still barely has any good matchups that don't involve massive luck. Further down we get stuff like Swampert (resists IH with no good weakness to hit and has STAB EQ), Slaking (252+ needs 3 flinches every time and CB EQ OHKOs regardless of bulk), Torterra (lives IP and OHKOs with CB EQ), and a ton more. It just makes no sense to me. Of course, this only talks about ScarfRachi, but that is by far its most common set. You can run some weird lure sets, but why? Bronzong is a lot better at this unless you really need the speed because it can choose its matchups with two amazing abilities compared to (in a lure context) bad Serene Grace. Please move this trash down.

That's all for now! If you have any questions about anything I said, please let me know! DPP OU may be godawful, but I think DPP 1v1 is a lot of fun!

Well first off I agree DPP 1v1 is a lot of fun. I also fully agree torterra is really good. As for raikou, Dom nommed it to a- a while ago and we never objected so ig dom forgot to put it in. Torterra was nommed for c but tbh I feel like it's better than c. I'll bring it up to the VR team. I also agree Suicune is so good. I think it could be an s rank mon. I'll bring it up also. I'll also bring up ranking Feraligatr. However, I disagree about cress and rhyperior not being worthy of s rank. Cress is insanely bulky and there aren't very many viable mons (mainly bug/dark/ghost/swords dance/metal sound) that can beat it. Rhyperior has a super high attack stat + 150 bp attack + swords dance + solid rock. It's pretty def bulky and can just endure vs special atttacks. It beats a lot of the meta and is really good. Keep in mind that just because a mon has one set that doesn't mean it's bad. Lastly, I see your point about jirachi, but I'd like to say that special attacker jirachi is also viable, as well as cosmic power wish/rest. Now even with that said, I still agree with moving it down from a+. Thank you for taking the time to discuss the VR. :)

 

[CrashinBoomBang]

Well first off I agree DPP 1v1 is a lot of fun. I also fully agree torterra is really good. As for raikou, Dom nommed it to a- a while ago and we never objected so ig dom forgot to put it in. Torterra was nommed for c but tbh I feel like it's better than c. I'll bring it up to the VR team. I also agree Suicune is so good. I think it could be an s rank mon. I'll bring it up also. I'll also bring up ranking Feraligatr. However, I disagree about cress and rhyperior not being worthy of s rank. Cress is insanely bulky and there aren't very many viable mons (mainly bug/dark/ghost/swords dance/metal sound) that can beat it. Rhyperior has a super high attack stat + 150 bp attack + swords dance + solid rock. It's pretty def bulky and can just endure vs special atttacks. It beats a lot of the meta and is really good. Keep in mind that just because a mon has one set that doesn't mean it's bad. Lastly, I see your point about jirachi, but I'd like to say that special attacker jirachi is also viable, as well as cosmic power wish/rest. Now even with that said, I still agree with moving it down from a+. Thank you for taking the time to discuss the VR. :)

I'm fine with Cresselia and Rhyperior in S. I do think they're super good and super usable, but I also think being predictable is usually something you want to avoid. That's less of a thing against those two and more of a thing in Suicune's favor, though, so if we can move Cune up with them I'm a-ok with this!

Good to see that Tort/Raikou weren't forgotten about completely. I think they're pretty good (especially Raikou, which has odds to beat Cresselia because Pressure means it has 8 PP and even if you never crit you will far outlast the standard CM/Moonlight/Reflect set, and just straight up beats Cune/Bliss really), and Feraligatr is pretty good too. Hard to find something that's good vs Cress/Cune/Bliss while not getting blown up by Rhyp/DNite.

Special/Lure Jirachi seems _ok_ but I have never seen it and I honestly think even then Bronzong gives it some massive competition unless you really need Thunderbolt + Speed because Levitate is SO GOOD. You lose a few SAtk points and gain a little bit of bulk, but those are still pretty similar. As for a stally kinda set, I think Bronzong completely outclasses Jirachi for that with CM/ID/Flash Cannon/Rest. Boosts defense faster against stuff like Dragonite and, again, I don't think giving up Levitate is like ever worth it. As you said yourself, Rhyperior is pretty damn good, and Bronzong is one of its best checks with the right set!

Thanks for the reply! Seems like we can agree on most stuff at least.

 

[Ginger Princess]

BW Whimsicott A --> A+/S
BW Jumpluff A --> A-

Whimsicott is nasty. Basically the best seedstaller in the game. Access to prankster taunt, before pranskter was nerfed. Trick isn't a real counterplay option, as Whimsicott can protect and sub common choice scarf users, a luxury Jumpluff does not share. Mega Evolutions and z moves aren't a thing, meaning that power creep is low enough to allow whimsicott to be able live at least one attack. Fairy type also isn't a thing, meaning that that Poison isn't as bad of a problem, allowing it to bop garchomp. The lack of Z moves in particular have nerfed flying types, and unless you have been rewarded with the coveted brave bird, the moves youll have to rely on are Hurricane and fly. ech. Also has access to Grasswhistle and can beat Pokemon it really shouldn’t like Choice Band Kyub,Choice Band Metagross, and Choiced Victini by fishing for confusion, fishing for misses, or getting a double protect and pp stalling 8 PP moves. In conclusion, its not beaten by Taunt, Substitute, Trick, opposing recover moves, most super effective moves, Dark-types, or sound based moves. Got both rank 1 and 2 with one whimsicott centric team

Meanwhile, we have Jumpluff. The only advantage it has is high speed sleep. Which, in this metagame not centered around bulky offense, instead around stall or hyper offense, really isn't an advantage to a mon like Whimsicott, that can already beat stall and live moves from hyper offense. Jumpluff also does not have access to either Taunt or Prankster, with a nerfed/unbuffed Infiltrator ability making it now beaten by not only taunt users but also sub users. Jumpluff also maintains the 4x weakness it currently has in the current meta, making it susceptible to both Scarf Kyub and Jirachi, which Whimsicott beats both. It also will be beaten by Trick Choice Scarf users, which Whimsicott doesn't need to care about. Looking down VR, i see no mon that Jumpluff would be better for than whimsicott, besides some very hard hitter like Choice Band Kyub and Choice Band Metagross.

Final thoughts:
Jumpluff is like the gen 7 Golem to Whimsicott's Donphan.

 

[Chickenpie2]

Adv vr when?
https://pokepast.es/2498386d387de2cf
little messy, but some ADV teams i made for classic. shoutout to my fabulous sturdy golem tech....(hint: dont use sturdy kids)

 

[Mubs]

Adv vr when?
https://pokepast.es/2498386d387de2cf
little messy, but some ADV teams i made for classic. shoutout to my fabulous sturdy golem tech....(hint: dont use sturdy kids)

I think its here

To not make this a one-liner. I'd like to say that Gens 1 and 2 might need a little more development

 

[ayedan]

After 1v1PL, I feel like I have a great grasp on the current BW 1v1 metagame and feel like I could drop my 2 cents in on how I feel about the current including some VR nominations.
In my opinion, Whimsicott is the best pokemon in BW 1v1 with the ability to leech seed just about any Pokemon barring Grass types and Magic Bounce Users. Some of Whimsicott's best "counters" can be stopped with a certain weakness berry like Occa and Yache. Honestly could see this thing going to S rank since its such a nuisance to many of my builds and many others as well. Other top pokemon like Kyurem Black and Porygon-Z are still great in the meta and have enough viable checks/counters to be not be broken or anything of the sort. Victini is criminally underrated with Banded V-create and Fusion Bolt being such a great combination. Also, Conkeldurr isnt ranked at all lol but it is the bulkiest Fighting type in the tier and with its monstrous 140 attack it can viably run sets like Fighting Gem or Choice Band with little to no precautions. I feel Pokemon like Reuniclus and Jellicent should be used much more to have such a high ranking on VR even if they are great Pokemon in the meta imo. I also feel like Landorus-Therian and Alakazam could drop a rank or two since these pokemon arent the greatest in the current meta with pokemon like Kyurem Black, Meloetta, and Genesect all running around right now. Suicune could also use a rise with sets like Sub+Protect or Sub+Calm Mind giving slower teams alot of trouble if they don't prepare for it. I can also say the same thing for Meloetta, the Pokemon is so bulky and can live about any hit (even Super Effective attacks from Powerful Pokemon like Specs Volcarona) and return a powerful attack like Specs Hyper Beam or Psychic. In my opinion, this entire VR needs to be renovated because its out of touch with the current meta which, i wouldnt mind doing.

 

[dom]

ORAS 1v1 VR Council:
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BW 1v1 VR Council
dom
SolarflareRo
Wanonymous1616
toadandhishaxx
Temp, probably:
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After 1v1PL, I feel like I have a great grasp on the current BW 1v1 metagame and feel like I could drop my 2 cents in on how I feel about the current including some VR nominations.
In my opinion, Whimsicott is the best pokemon in BW 1v1 with the ability to leech seed just about any Pokemon barring Grass types and Magic Bounce Users. Some of Whimsicott's best "counters" can be stopped with a certain weakness berry like Occa and Yache. Honestly could see this thing going to S rank since its such a nuisance to many of my builds and many others as well. Other top pokemon like Kyurem Black and Porygon-Z are still great in the meta and have enough viable checks/counters to be not be broken or anything of the sort. Victini is criminally underrated with Banded V-create and Fusion Bolt being such a great combination. Also, Conkeldurr isnt ranked at all lol but it is the bulkiest Fighting type in the tier and with its monstrous 140 attack it can viably run sets like Fighting Gem or Choice Band with little to no precautions. I feel Pokemon like Reuniclus and Jellicent should be used much more to have such a high ranking on VR even if they are great Pokemon in the meta imo. I also feel like Landorus-Therian and Alakazam could drop a rank or two since these pokemon arent the greatest in the current meta with pokemon like Kyurem Black, Meloetta, and Genesect all running around right now. Suicune could also use a rise with sets like Sub+Protect or Sub+Calm Mind giving slower teams alot of trouble if they don't prepare for it. I can also say the same thing for Meloetta, the Pokemon is so bulky and can live about any hit (even Super Effective attacks from Powerful Pokemon like Specs Volcarona) and return a powerful attack like Specs Hyper Beam or Psychic. In my opinion, this entire VR needs to be renovated because its out of touch with the current meta which, i wouldnt mind doing.

can you like, actually make a definitive claim or statement of any sort? you ramble a ton about possible changes of the vr but if you want the vr to change you should nominate pokemon to move. that's how VRs work. nominate a pokemon to a rank and explain why, specifically.

BW Whimsicott A --> A+/S
BW Jumpluff A --> A-

Whimsicott is nasty. Basically the best seedstaller in the game. Access to prankster taunt, before pranskter was nerfed. Trick isn't a real counterplay option, as Whimsicott can protect and sub common choice scarf users, a luxury Jumpluff does not share. Mega Evolutions and z moves aren't a thing, meaning that power creep is low enough to allow whimsicott to be able live at least one attack. Fairy type also isn't a thing, meaning that that Poison isn't as bad of a problem, allowing it to bop garchomp. The lack of Z moves in particular have nerfed flying types, and unless you have been rewarded with the coveted brave bird, the moves youll have to rely on are Hurricane and fly. ech. Also has access to Grasswhistle and can beat Pokemon it really shouldn’t like Choice Band Kyub,Choice Band Metagross, and Choiced Victini by fishing for confusion, fishing for misses, or getting a double protect and pp stalling 8 PP moves. In conclusion, its not beaten by Taunt, Substitute, Trick, opposing recover moves, most super effective moves, Dark-types, or sound based moves. Got both rank 1 and 2 with one whimsicott centric team

Meanwhile, we have Jumpluff. The only advantage it has is high speed sleep. Which, in this metagame not centered around bulky offense, instead around stall or hyper offense, really isn't an advantage to a mon like Whimsicott, that can already beat stall and live moves from hyper offense. Jumpluff also does not have access to either Taunt or Prankster, with a nerfed/unbuffed Infiltrator ability making it now beaten by not only taunt users but also sub users. Jumpluff also maintains the 4x weakness it currently has in the current meta, making it susceptible to both Scarf Kyub and Jirachi, which Whimsicott beats both. It also will be beaten by Trick Choice Scarf users, which Whimsicott doesn't need to care about. Looking down VR, i see no mon that Jumpluff would be better for than whimsicott, besides some very hard hitter like Choice Band Kyub and Choice Band Metagross.

Final thoughts:
Jumpluff is like the gen 7 Golem to Whimsicott's Donphan.

pluff is fine for now, whims is a+.


if you guys think whims is suspect worthy in bw, post about it here. best time is now with the ladder, can have a ladder suspect

also will get adv 1v1 vr on the way. oras 1v1 vr changes too.