All Gens 1v1 Throwback

Yung Dramps

awesome gaming
is a Pre-Contributor
image.jpg

Logo made by the talented Chocolate Thunda.

Welcome one and all to 1v1 Throwback, the project that aims to give all old generations their own 1v1 metagame, and develop said metas.

Index:
Gen 1: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1-throwback-adv-1v1-ladder-on-ps.3632458/#post-7754986

Gen 2: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1-throwback.3632458/page-2#post-7792280
Gen 3: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1-throwback-adv-1v1-ladder-on-ps.3632458/#post-7754887
Gen 4: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1-throwback.3632458/page-2#post-7825700
Gen 5: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1-throwback-adv-1v1-ladder-on-ps.3632458/post-7754888

Rules:
Don't say dumb shit, make sure your posts look and sound nice.

When making any kind of UR nomination, support it with ample evidence and replays.
No harassment/flaming.

Our Tier Leaders:
EB0LA (RBY)
RBY Council
fanyfan
LucarioAidan (GSC)
GSC Council
fanyfan
Yung Dramps (ADV and BW)
ADV Council
neomon
fanyfan
ggopw


BW Council
fanyfan
BlondeSasukeUchiha

pqs (DPP)
DPP Council
fanyfan


Discord:
https://discord.gg/62Mt5Q7

Where To Play:
http://rom.psim.us/


Have fun posting!

 
Last edited:

Yung Dramps

awesome gaming
is a Pre-Contributor
ADV 1v1

Viability Rankings

S Rank


A+ Rank
Metagross
Slaking

A Rank
Heracross
Celebi
Gengar
Regice

A- Rank
Raikou
Blissey
Salamence
Zapdos
Swampert

B+ Rank
Flygon
Tyranitar
Aerodactyl

B Rank
Starmie
Breloom
Gyarados
Porygon2
Milotic

B- Rank
Houndoom
Jirachi

Do Not Use
Shedinja

Sample Teams
coming soon, submit pls

Banlist
Standard ADV bans + Accuracy-lowering moves, Leftovers, Ingrain, Snorlax, Suicune
 
Last edited:

Yung Dramps

awesome gaming
is a Pre-Contributor
BW 1v1

Viability Rankings
S
Jirachi

A+
Dragonite
Genesect
Kyurem-Black
Porygon-Z
Rhyperior

A
Cresselia
Garchomp
Heatran
Latios
Manaphy
Meloetta
Mew
Sawk
Jumpluff
Whimsicott

A-
Alakazam
Chansey
Gengar
Golem
Jellicent
Keldeo
Landorus-Therian
Metagross
Reuiniclus
Tyranitar
Volcarona

B+
Crustle
Ferrothorn
Gyarados
Haxorus
Hydreigon
Magnezone
Scrafty
Suicune
Terrakion
Umbreon

B
Bronzong
Breloom
Celebi
Empoleon
Excadrill
Gastrodon
Latias
Registeel
Starmie
Victini

B-
Archeops
Cobalion
Durant
Landorus
Murkrow
Politoed
Porygon2
Rotom-Heat
Sableye
Scizor
Shaymin
Snorlax
Venusaur
Virizion
Zapdos

C+
Amoonguss
Blissey
Carracosta
Cofagrigus
Darmanitan
Galvantula
Heracross
Hippowdon
Kingdra
Moltres
Raikou
Rotom-Wash
Slowking
Togekiss
Tornadus-Therian

C
Abomasnow
Arcanine
Azumarill
Charizard
Dusclops
Infernape
Krookodile
Lapras
Mamoswine
Salamence
Slowbro
Smeargle
Staraptor
Tornadus
Thundurus
Thundurus-Therian
Quagsire

C-
Aron
Chandelure
Clefable
Hitmonlee
Skarmory
Tangrowth
Toxicroak

D
Articuno
Blastoise
Escavalier
Lanturn
Milotic
Ninetales
Weavile
Wobbuffet

Sample Teams
the only one became useless as of the recent tiering decisions oops

Banlist
OU Bans + Focus Sash
Unbans: Genesect, Landorus-Incarnate, Thundurus-Incarnate, Tornadus-Therian, Dugtrio, Manaphy
 

Attachments

Last edited:
GSC 1v1

Banlist
OHKO Moves, Evasion, Perish Song, Sleep, Mew, Swagger, Mewtwo, Lugia, Ho-oh


Viability Rankings:

S Rank
143.png
Snorlax

A+ Rank
105.png
Marowak
227.png
Skarmory
068.png
Machamp
145.png
Zapdos

A Rank
134.png
Vaporeon
243.png
Raikou
245.png
Suicune
121.png
Starmie
094.png
Gengar
214.png
Heracross
036.png
Clefable
034.png
Nidoking

A- Rank
208.png
Steelix
248.png
Tyranitar
149.png
Dragonite
241.png
Miltank

B+ Rank
242.png
Blissey
196.png
Espeon
135.png
Jolteon
233.png
Porygon2
195.png
Quagsire
135-1.png
Rhydon
065.png
Alakazam
128.png
Tauros
103.png
Exeggutor

B rank:
197.png
Umbreon
073.png
Tentacruel

B- Rank
006.png
Charizard
244.png
Entei
leaving a like would be nice bcz this took me forever on mobile. :)
Sample Teams:
243.png
121.png
214.png
First team made by LucarioAidan, pqs, and Yung Dramps

Heracross @ Leftovers
Ability: Swarm
IVs: 6 HP / 24 Atk / 24 Def
- Rest
- Megahorn
- Curse
- Hidden Power [Fighting]

Raikou @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
- Thunderbolt
- Toxic
- Reflect
- Rest

Starmie @ Leftovers
Ability: Illuminate
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Psychic
- Thunder Wave

We need more teams so message me on PS or on smogon with a team to see If it qualifies for a sample team n_n
 
Last edited by a moderator:

EB0LA

RBY Circuit Champion
*** POST UNDER CONSTRUCTION ***
RBY 1v1

VIABILITY RANKINGS:
S Rank
Tauros

S- Rank
Slowbro
Snorlax

A+ Rank
Exeggutor
Jolteon

A Rank
Chansey
Starmie

A- Rank
Alakazam

B+ Rank
Articuno
Zapdos

B Rank
Lapras

B- Rank
Electrode
Jynx

C Rank
Cloyster
Moltres

D Rank
Dugtrio
Golduck
Machamp
Nidoking
Nidoqueen
Persian
Victreebel

SAMPLE TEAMS:
(Submitted By: EB0LA)
Exeggutor (M)
- Toxic
- Leech Seed
- Psychic
- Substitute

Starmie (F)
- Psychic
- Blizzard
- Thunder Wave
- Recover

Jolteon (M)
- Thunderbolt
- Thunder Wave
- Toxic
- Rest
(Submitted By: EB0LA)
Exeggutor (M)
- Toxic
- Leech Seed
- Psychic
- Substitute

Tauros (M)
- Body Slam
- Leer
- Blizzard
- Hyper Beam

Jolteon (M)
- Thunderbolt
- Thunder Wave
- Toxic
- Rest
MORE COMING SOON!
Submit your teams here. If approved by the council, they may end up here! :)

RULESET:
Banned Pokemon: Mewtwo, Mew
Banned Moves:
*OHKO (Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill)
*Sleep (Hypnosis, Lovely Kiss, Sing, Sleep Powder, Spore)
*Partial-Trapping (Bind, Clamp, Fire Spin, Wrap)
*Evasion (Double Team, Minimize)
*Accuracy Lowering (Flash, Kinesis, Sand Attack, Smokescreen)
*Boom (Explosion, Self-Destruct)
Clauses: Species
 
Last edited:

Yung Dramps

awesome gaming
is a Pre-Contributor
As we wait for pqs to make his post reservation, I would like to announce some plans for the project and things we plan to do or will do.

Events/other stuff happening soon
-I've already mentioned this with others, but a 1v1 Throwback Premier League will come soon. We already have a quick survey about the tour you can fill out here: https://goo.gl/forms/k6DTHuMOYDxqzKzO2
-Besides that, there will also be mini tours on rom. Keep an eye out for those!
-Once our playerbase expands and we have multiple active contributors for each tier, as well enough knowledge on each respective metagame, we could start a competitive analysis project.
-Anything concerning bans/unbans will be voted on by the full council for all gens.

Things you can do to contribute
-WE. NEED. SAMPLE. TEAMS!!!! If you got those, please submit 'em. Remember, each format regardless of generation follows the same rules as SM 1v1, so teams must have 3 mons. Make sure to specify generation when submitting!
-Join the Discord! Link is in the OP.
-We need to clean up and update some of the viability rankings (you should see those for all gens soon). In short, we need tiering contributors.

That's it for now! Thanks for everything, guys!
 

Yung Dramps

awesome gaming
is a Pre-Contributor
Nah, don't drop Rhyperior. This thing is a monster, SD Endure Custap with EdgeQuake coverage just smashes through a ton of mons. Solid Rock is helpful for surviving hits it shouldn't. Out of the two S ranks, I think that Infernape is honestly closer to dropping, since it loses to more common threats like this monster, Scarf Jirachi and Porygon-Z, Gliscor and the Latis. Speaking of which...

The more I play with this, the more I debate whether unbanning it was a mistake. I still think its balanced, but A- is definitely underselling it immensely. A+ candidate imo. Have no opinion on Latias since I haven't used it

Yup, this mon's broken. S material, easily. Not a single hard counter in the format. Next.

Actually, this should be dropped, maybe unranked. Why? Because Sturdy only protected from OHKO moves in gen 4. The survive all hits at 1 hp effect didn't come until Gen 5.
 

Yung Dramps

awesome gaming
is a Pre-Contributor
Here's some stuff I noticed while playing Gen 5, yes the VR is horrifically outdated and 99.5% wrong, yes I will fix it once I have the opportunity and play some more games

Carracosta seems pretty good, probably should be ranked somewhere around B+ or A-
No clue why Jumpluff is ranked while Whimsicott isn't
Dnite should be ranked
Landorus shouldn't be ranked so high, the elemental gems are good but not so good that it makes Lando A+ worthy
What the hell is Tornadus-I doing on there lmao
Latias is bad
Porygon-Z is still broken, Porygon2 may be good but needs more testing for its effectiveness to be proven

Also, one more thing
1523969393708.png
Jirachi is quickbanned from BW
For the same reasons as it was in SM: More specifically, the fact that Scarf is uncompetitive garbage. Except in this gen, less mons = less counterplay.

tagging urkerab to implement this change on rom

PS for urkerab: Can you check to make sure Focus Sash is banned in all generations that allow it?
 

EB0LA

RBY Circuit Champion
RBY 1v1 - 04/17/2018
Cloyster B- to C
Electrode C to B-
Golduck unranked to D
Porygon unranked to F

04/18/2018
F Rank Removed
Machamp C to D
Victreebell unranked to D
 
Last edited:
VR Update!
shoutouts Drud for helping me make these changes
UR --> B+
UR --> B-
UR --> B-
B --> C

UR --> C
UR --> B
UR --> A
UR --> C+
UR --> B+
UR --> B+
UR --> B
UR --> B
UR --> A-

Post Away!
 
Last edited:
PS for urkerab: Can you check to make sure Focus Sash is banned in all generations that allow it?
Added it to the banlist for Gen 4, which didn't have it, but later generations had already banned it. (Note that I haven't updated the /om command yet.)
PS also please ban accuracy-reducing moves (eg mud slap) across all gens, miss us with that gay shit
They were already banned across all gens.
 

edudittA

formerly Wrath of Alakazam
Proposing a Porygon Z rise in gen5 1v1 from A+ to S, and a Mew fall from S to A


Porygon Z has 135 SpA, Adaptability, and a monster tool in HyperBeam. If that's too much to ask for, it also gets access to Nasty Plot, Recover, and Conversion. And Custap berry pushes Porygon-Z's potential to the sky. A lethal scarf set already smashes through many Pokemon in the VR, a bulky specs which can deal with KyuB, Garchomp, Latios and other relevant Dragon-types. This makes PZ's only counters Fighting types like Sawk and Terrakion, and Ghost type Pokemon like Gengar which can be dealt with by Conversion Endure PZ. As a result, I think Pokemon is S-rank worthy.....

Mew has really nothing going for it except for a Will O Wisp Taunt Amnesia Keep berry set, and Amnesia IronDefence set. In gen6, it was at A- or B, and it got nothing better from gen6, so I'd say it best stays at A or A-.
 

Yung Dramps

awesome gaming
is a Pre-Contributor
VR Update for BW in preparation for Throwback Premier League

Rises
Porygon-Z: A+ ---> S

Drops
Landorus-Therian: A+ ---> A-
Mew: S ---> A+
Latias: A- ---> B
Tornadus-Incarnate: B+ ---> UR
Landorus-Incarnate: A ---> B-

Additions
Rhyperior: UR ---> A+
Whimsicott: UR ---> A-
Dragonite: UR ---> A+
Carracosta: UR ---> B+
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: pqs

Yung Dramps

awesome gaming
is a Pre-Contributor
Two things concerning BW 1v1.

It was recently discovered that Charm + Seismic Toss is an illegal combo on Chansey in BW. This is obviously huge for its viability in the format. It'll be moved down to B on the VR to accomodate for this.

After some discussion in the Discord, I have decided to ban Kyurem-Black. It just has way too many sets to handle, and its ability and stats are just incredible. The lack of z-moves may seem like it makes it balanced, but that's not entirely true. For example, Kyurem can run a Power Herb Freeze Shock set as a sort of mini Subzero Slammer. It's also worth nothing that prior to its ban in Gen 7, only a fraction of Kyurem-Black's potential sets were z-based: 3 of 12, to be specific, and 2 of them were gimmicky lure z-crystals.

Tagging urkerab to implement these. These'll probably be the last major changes to the BW meta before 1v1TPL starts.
 

EB0LA

RBY Circuit Champion
RBY 1v1 - 05/11/2018
Machamp D to unranked*
*Removed


Tauros has been added to the list of banned Pokemon due to making the meta over-centralized, and not having any true counters. Even having its best counters lose about 33% of the time.

Machamp has been removed because it's simply bad.

Also going to be building, testing and crunching calculations to see if the following mons have a spot in the VR: Hypno, Vaporeon, Raticate, Sandslash, Kingler, Mr.Mime, Venusaur, Kabutops, Hitmonlee, Gengar, & Electabuzz
 
Last edited:

Earthworm

is a member of the Site Staffis a Community Leaderis a Community Contributoris a Contributor to Smogonis a Tournament Director Alumnusis a Super Moderator Alumnusis a Tiering Contributor Alumnusis a Smogon Media Contributor Alumnusis the Smogon Tour Season 6 Championis a Past SPL and WCoP Champion
RoA Leader
RBY 1v1 - 05/11/2018
Tauros S to BANNED
Machamp D to unranked*
*Removed


Tauros has been added to the list of banned Pokemon due to making the meta over-centralized, and not having any true counters. Even having its best counters lose about 33% of the time.

Machamp has been removed because it's simply bad.

Also going to be building, testing and crunching calculations to see if the following mons have a spot in the VR: Hypno, Vaporeon, Raticate, Sandslash, Kingler, Mr.Mime, Venusaur, Kabutops, Hitmonlee, Gengar, & Electabuzz
Do you have a list of counters and Tauros's odds of beating each? Is there a particularly overpowering moveset? I understand most of the other bans for the other tiers but Tauros doesn't seem banworthy to me. I'm particularly interested in the matchup vs Articuno.
 

Yung Dramps

awesome gaming
is a Pre-Contributor
I have decided to start linking sample sets for BW in place of traditional sample teams. Just go to the VR and click highlighted Pokemon to view their sets, along with a brief description of what the set(s) do.

In other news, here's a quick VR update for some stuff that strangely wasn't there already.

Sawk: UR ---> A-
Ferrothorn: UR ---> B+

Other changes:
Shitmon rank created, Shedinja added, Smeargle and Aron dropped to this rank
Gyarados: A- ---> B-
Azumarill and Gliscor: B ---> UR
Mew: A+ ---> A
 
Last edited:

EB0LA

RBY Circuit Champion
Do you have a list of counters and Tauros's odds of beating each? Is there a particularly overpowering moveset? I understand most of the other bans for the other tiers but Tauros doesn't seem banworthy to me. I'm particularly interested in the matchup vs Articuno.
Ok jumped the gun on this one. Tauros in fact does have many counters. To name the main ones being: Articuno, Moltres, Slowbro, Snorlax, & Starmie. His 21.5% crit rate along with bslam para hax does make it a haxor, but any mon can get hax too. Shortest ban ever.. sorry about this, welcome back Tauros!
 

DEG

ADIOS COMPADRES
is a Forum Moderator Alumnusis a Community Contributor Alumnusis a Smogon Media Contributor Alumnus
I would like to oppose on both the bans of Jirach and Kyurem-Black in BW. There was ZERO discussion on the matter and since BW is represented in the 1v1 tournament circuit, and it was actually playable at its time, unlike older gens, I, as a part of the 1v1 general leadership team urge you to reverse both bans.

Thank you.
 

dom

Banned deucer.
I would like to oppose on both the bans of Jirach and Kyurem-Black in BW. There was ZERO discussion on the matter and since BW is represented in the 1v1 tournament circuit, and it was actually playable at its time, unlike older gens, I, as a part of the 1v1 general leadership team urge you to reverse both bans.

Thank you.
not like you had authorization in sm either bud
 

Yung Dramps

awesome gaming
is a Pre-Contributor
I would like to oppose on both the bans of Jirach and Kyurem-Black in BW. There was ZERO discussion on the matter and since BW is represented in the 1v1 tournament circuit, and it was actually playable at its time, unlike older gens, I, as a part of the 1v1 general leadership team urge you to reverse both bans.

Thank you.
Sorry, but I'm not gonna reverse decisions like this right during the 1v1TPL. You should've brought this up earlier.

Not saying your opinion is bad or even unjustified, but yeah. Hey, let's give it a whirl anyway: What's the worst that could happen?
 

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 1, Guests: 0)

Top