dunno, dont recall. I know people didnt really like the rocks set esp with its 4mss that it had
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heatran was a big thorn in its side especially with the flame body sets punishing the otherwise quite safe heavy slams and bullet punches. It was also delegated as the Cornerstone check in a lot of games which meant it wasn't able to be as loose with things like rocky helmet and spikes chip.
Might be wrong but those are the two things that I remember
In addition fez was less popular aka less victims, exca was still very popular, and latios wasnt as good. Torn-T also can just knock it off and neuter its power while stuff like scizor going also made meta more appealing
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--> A
--> B+/A-
--> B+/B-Conk/H-Arc appreciate the slower meta atm, which leans into their strengths as wallbreakers.
Ogerpon in a meta with Weavile/Fez/Skarm struggles to click anything but u-turn/knock off, and Sinistcha/Hydrapple are better grasses at the moment
-> C / URits way past its prime and its definitely not among mons like coba, clodsire, shocks, pex when it sees 0 usage what so ever. This mon is definitely just getting smacked around and while it can "deal" with weavile after a knock off its doing fuck all.
-> BHas seen some uses and being faster than latios and prankster t wave is great vs anti offense and latios as well. Crippling speed control is always nice for slower teammates
-> A-Sees quite a bit of uses as a rocker and just general utilty, i think its pretty solid especially since encore generates free turns when skarmory tries to roost and spreading paralysis is quite good for it. Pickpocket is irritating as always and stealing boots from weavile, lokix, opposing tink can always be funny
-> CWe have definitely seen suicune cheese past teams while being niche, I think its worth a spot here, while its not very common its definitely done some devious stuff against teams esp PP stalling latios / sitting on slowking
Some other small noms that i dont have words for rn / tired...
-> UR
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-> B+
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-> A+(btw there is a tiny bisharp sprite, the 144p scizor sprite, and Grimmsnarl is like 2 lines apart)
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Some random noms I would do:
-->A-
Lokix really did not fare well in UUPL, only seeing one win in the first week of UUPL. It really struggles into the likes of Skarmory and Pickpocket Tinkaton, as it cannot break through the former, and the latter can Pickpocket its Heavy-Duty boots.
-->B+
Arcanine Hisui has always been a wallbreaker in UU, but the recent meta shifts have favored it. As Goro Yagami mentioned earlier, it appreciates the meta becoming slower, which gives it more opportunities to wallbreak. Morning Sun is seeing more use on Arcanine-Hisui, giving it increased longevity in matches.
--> A
Goro explained most of the points on why Conk is better in the meta, it's very difficult to take down, assault vest sets can serve as a servicable check to many of the tier's special attackers, and few mons want to switch into it.
--> B+
Suprised nobody has done this yet. Hydreigon with it's Nasty Plot set can be extremely difficult to take down as Tera Poison can make it extremely difficult to take down. I already talked about this mon in the meta discussion thread, and has seen a large uptick in usage during UUPL.
--> C
Sand in UU is really lacking right now, as losing Tyranitar who provided Knock Off support was huge. Hippo is really passive, and sand teams overall struggle in UU.
--> UR
Haven't really seen this mon on the ladder or really run in tournaments.
-->A-Lokix really did not fare well in UUPL, only seeing one win in the first week of UUPL. It really struggles into the likes of Skarmory and Pickpocket Tinkaton, as it cannot break through the former, and the latter can Pickpocket its Heavy-Duty boots.
-->B+ Arcanine Hisui has always been a wallbreaker in UU, but the recent meta shifts have favored it. As Goro Yagami mentioned earlier, it appreciates the meta becoming slower, which gives it more opportunities to wallbreak. Morning Sun is seeing more use on Arcanine-Hisui, giving it increased longevity in matches.
--> AGoro explained most of the points on why Conk is better in the meta, it's very difficult to take down, assault vest sets can serve as a servicable check to many of the tier's special attackers, and few mons want to switch into it.
--> B+Suprised nobody has done this yet. Hydreigon with it's Nasty Plot set can be extremely difficult to take down as Tera Poison can make it extremely difficult to take down. I already talked about this mon in the meta discussion thread, and has seen a large uptick in usage during UUPL.
--> CSand in UU is really lacking right now, as losing Tyranitar who provided Knock Off support was huge. Hippo is really passive, and sand teams overall struggle in UU.
--> URHaven't really seen this mon on the ladder or really run in tournaments.
Kinda interesting seeing Hippo flop in SV UU, given how players describe SV UU as "ORAS OU-lite" & Excadrill running around as a dominant spinner.
Sand in UU is really lacking right now, as losing Tyranitar who provided Knock Off support was huge. Hippo is really passive, and sand teams overall struggle in UU.
Hydrapple's def giving this poor Hippo hell...
I have quite a bit to say here, so lets start.
--> B/B-
This mon has fallen off substantially IMO with the dropping of
and prevalence of fairy resists in the tier, forcing Psychic/Coverage to be clicked more often which can put teams in really tough spots. I think B- fits more but I could see arguments for B, seeing as it has a really positive matchup into 
who is better than ever right now.
--> A
I have to agree with Goro Yagami, this mon is really good right now. There are a lot of slower pokemon that just get eaten alive by flame orb, and with the rise of assault vest sets, special moves that seem fairly free, end up leaving one of your mons dead or severely damaged for the rest of the match. Another point is that ever since
's ban, status has been on the rise and Guts means that especially pokemon that use will-o-wisp and toxic have to be extremely careful not to boost .
--> B+
This again goes with Goro's post about the meta being quite slow, except that Hisuian Arcanine has a much more middling speed tier, meaning that even faster walls like
and 
, are not able to outspeed you. It also heavily appreciates the rise in usage of 
and
--> B/B+
Thundurus is a pokemon that I doubted for a very long time. However, with the slow nature of the meta meaning that 353 speed is often enough to be one of the fastest pokemon in a battle, combined with the potency of Thunderbolt/Volt Switch forcing switches and the grounds
all hating losing their item (to various degrees), it finds a nice home on a lot of more balanced/offense structures. Also prankster Twave is incredible into hyper offense, meaning that they either can't terastalize their darks, or just have to end a sweep promptly due to paralysis.
--> A-
Rotom and
are two relatively similar pokemon when it comes to the roles they typically fill. Bulky water pivots who can cripple threats with TWave. is generally considered better currently because of its superior matchup into both and , while still being positive into 
, the 3 most used pokemon in the tier. I think that Rotoms significantly better MU into 
(barely), and make it worth being only one tier away, rather than two.
--> B-
Hyper offense is really strong right now and with
leaving back in January, Veil is a lot harder for teams to deny. is a major thorn in its side, but I still think a rise is still justified, seeing as it is still quite consistant and if chooses to lead then it can lead to setups with stuff like and - speaking of
--> A+
I think at this point this mon is deserving of A+. With how easily it can snowball, especially when under screens, and how consistant pivot sets are at applying constant pressure, this mon is at least as good as.
--> S
This is a pick I am not as sure about, but I also would not at all be surprised if this rose to S. The biggest mark of an S tier pokemon for me is when instead of asking "why should I use this pokemon" you are asking "why shouldn't I" and that certainly applies to Skarmory. By far the best spiker and Phazer in the tier, it also soft checks basically every physical attack except, who is mainly as good as it is because most teams main physical wall is a skarmory. The only style where skarmory isn't a given on is offense and HO, where it can even still function as a fine hazard lead.
--> UR/C
agreeing with HTC here, this pokemon, while not unusable, is leagues below the rest of the pokemon in B and B- tier.
--> B-/C
tbh I have not seen this pokemon do anything except sort of check weavile in like a year. you get up rocks and maybe body press skarmory for like 20% and then die to hazards.
--> A-
Tinkaton is basically if it was good. Having significantly better typing in fairy steel, deals abt as much damage except steel hits latios harder, knock off to make consistant progress, Twave to be annoying, and wicked consistant rocks. Overall, is able to do a lot and despite not running boots most of the time, it ends up wearing them by the end of a lot of matches because of pickpocket stealing from and
--> C
has this pokemon been used since like,
rose and 
got banned? I genuinely haven't seen it. Anyways, struggles to break through mons like and , super vaulnerable to tera ghost AKA the best tera for like half of the tier and there are 0 even decent terrain setters at the moment.
--> A
Unaware means this pokemon is able to shut down a ridiculous amount of setup sweepers and it also ends up being extremely threatening a lot of the time, especially when paired with one of the miriad of paralysis spreaders in the tier. Also leaving means that it lost one of its worst matchups.
--> C
the word i would describe this pokemon with is usable. does it accel most of the time? No. Is it the best option for a bulky water most of the time? No. But there are situations where compressing the bulk of something like and the threatening setup aspect of something like 
is worth being just subpar at both of those.
:magenezone: --> C
Mag feels a lot like the weather/terrain setters where it is only there because it can enable other scarier pokemon to be terrifying. With as good as it is though, Mag will also be solid. Plus prevents CB :scizor and 
from clicking Bullet punch or Heavy Slam as freely, so that is always nice.
--> B-
ngl i really thought this mon was going to be incredible towards the end of last year going into this one but its really dissapointed me. The biggest problem it faces is that it has possibly the worst 4mss of any mon ever. Wish, Protect, Uturn, Iron Head, Psy-noise/tbolt, Body Slam/Twave, Encore, Substitute and Stealth Rocks are all viable options that it desperately wants to run. Its non-utility sets are a bit better off in that department, I think Scarf is quite solid and CM is OK but I don't think its on the same level as the other B rank pokemon.
--> C/B-
lets talk about the elephant in the room, Smogonbird itself. Now, this pokemon is not good. I see a lot of people trying it out and seeing some success but all in all, it is inferior to the other flying types in the tier. There is basically only one way to use Talonflame to moderate success. That being, is 252hp, 252spe, 4def. This set is specifically so that can utilise its bonkers high speed tier of 126, while being a usable wall. Immediately problems arise, however. Knock off is an OHKO move against you, which is not great for a physical wall whos claim to fame is flame body + being faster than . Roosting also makes you a pure fire type I.e weak to earthquake, so no roosting vs or unless you are feeling really risky. Using Talonflame on stall aliviates both of these to an extent, with stall stacking knock off switch ins, sometimes having multiple forms of removal/prevention of hazards, and other ground swap ins. Defog is also far more valuable for this type of team.
--> UR
lets be honest, this mon has been homeless since the
suspect and DEFINITELY the suspect. I don't think that it really provides anything unique at this point that is worth being on VR for.
--> A-
This is my last one for now, I have been typing for a while now LOL. Mandibuzz has been a solid pokemon for a while, but I think that with the rise of both and in the recent meta, along with being far and away the most consistant form of Defog in the tier, I would argue it deserves A-.
--> B/B-This mon has fallen off substantially IMO with the dropping of
and prevalence of fairy resists in the tier, forcing Psychic/Coverage to be clicked more often which can put teams in really tough spots. I think B- fits more but I could see arguments for B, seeing as it has a really positive matchup into who is better than ever right now. --> AI have to agree with Goro Yagami, this mon is really good right now. There are a lot of slower pokemon that just get eaten alive by flame orb, and with the rise of assault vest sets, special moves that seem fairly free, end up leaving one of your mons dead or severely damaged for the rest of the match. Another point is that ever since
's ban, status has been on the rise and Guts means that especially pokemon that use will-o-wisp and toxic have to be extremely careful not to boost . --> B+This again goes with Goro's post about the meta being quite slow, except that Hisuian Arcanine has a much more middling speed tier, meaning that even faster walls like
and , are not able to outspeed you. It also heavily appreciates the rise in usage of and --> B/B+Thundurus is a pokemon that I doubted for a very long time. However, with the slow nature of the meta meaning that 353 speed is often enough to be one of the fastest pokemon in a battle, combined with the potency of Thunderbolt/Volt Switch forcing switches and the grounds
all hating losing their item (to various degrees), it finds a nice home on a lot of more balanced/offense structures. Also prankster Twave is incredible into hyper offense, meaning that they either can't terastalize their darks, or just have to end a sweep promptly due to paralysis. --> A-Rotom and
are two relatively similar pokemon when it comes to the roles they typically fill. Bulky water pivots who can cripple threats with TWave. is generally considered better currently because of its superior matchup into both and , while still being positive into , the 3 most used pokemon in the tier. I think that Rotoms significantly better MU into (barely), and make it worth being only one tier away, rather than two. --> B-Hyper offense is really strong right now and with
leaving back in January, Veil is a lot harder for teams to deny. is a major thorn in its side, but I still think a rise is still justified, seeing as it is still quite consistant and if chooses to lead then it can lead to setups with stuff like and - speaking of --> A+I think at this point this mon is deserving of A+. With how easily it can snowball, especially when under screens, and how consistant pivot sets are at applying constant pressure, this mon is at least as good as
. --> SThis is a pick I am not as sure about, but I also would not at all be surprised if this rose to S. The biggest mark of an S tier pokemon for me is when instead of asking "why should I use this pokemon" you are asking "why shouldn't I" and that certainly applies to Skarmory. By far the best spiker and Phazer in the tier, it also soft checks basically every physical attack except
, who is mainly as good as it is because most teams main physical wall is a skarmory. The only style where skarmory isn't a given on is offense and HO, where it can even still function as a fine hazard lead. --> UR/Cagreeing with HTC here, this pokemon, while not unusable, is leagues below the rest of the pokemon in B and B- tier.
--> B-/Ctbh I have not seen this pokemon do anything except sort of check weavile in like a year. you get up rocks and maybe body press skarmory for like 20% and then die to hazards.
--> A-Tinkaton is basically
if it was good. Having significantly better typing in fairy steel, deals abt as much damage except steel hits latios harder, knock off to make consistant progress, Twave to be annoying, and wicked consistant rocks. Overall, is able to do a lot and despite not running boots most of the time, it ends up wearing them by the end of a lot of matches because of pickpocket stealing from and --> Chas this pokemon been used since like,
rose and got banned? I genuinely haven't seen it. Anyways, struggles to break through mons like and , super vaulnerable to tera ghost AKA the best tera for like half of the tier and there are 0 even decent terrain setters at the moment. --> AUnaware means this pokemon is able to shut down a ridiculous amount of setup sweepers and it also ends up being extremely threatening a lot of the time, especially when paired with one of the miriad of paralysis spreaders in the tier. Also
leaving means that it lost one of its worst matchups. --> Cthe word i would describe this pokemon with is usable. does it accel most of the time? No. Is it the best option for a bulky water most of the time? No. But there are situations where compressing the bulk of something like
and the threatening setup aspect of something like is worth being just subpar at both of those.:magenezone: --> C
Mag feels a lot like the weather/terrain setters where it is only there because it can enable other scarier pokemon to be terrifying. With
as good as it is though, Mag will also be solid. Plus prevents CB :scizor and from clicking Bullet punch or Heavy Slam as freely, so that is always nice. --> B-ngl i really thought this mon was going to be incredible towards the end of last year going into this one but its really dissapointed me. The biggest problem it faces is that it has possibly the worst 4mss of any mon ever. Wish, Protect, Uturn, Iron Head, Psy-noise/tbolt, Body Slam/Twave, Encore, Substitute and Stealth Rocks are all viable options that it desperately wants to run. Its non-utility sets are a bit better off in that department, I think Scarf is quite solid and CM is OK but I don't think its on the same level as the other B rank pokemon.
--> C/B-lets talk about the elephant in the room, Smogonbird itself. Now, this pokemon is not good. I see a lot of people trying it out and seeing some success but all in all, it is inferior to the other flying types in the tier. There is basically only one way to use Talonflame to moderate success. That being, is 252hp, 252spe, 4def. This set is specifically so that
can utilise its bonkers high speed tier of 126, while being a usable wall. Immediately problems arise, however. Knock off is an OHKO move against you, which is not great for a physical wall whos claim to fame is flame body + being faster than . Roosting also makes you a pure fire type I.e weak to earthquake, so no roosting vs or unless you are feeling really risky. Using Talonflame on stall aliviates both of these to an extent, with stall stacking knock off switch ins, sometimes having multiple forms of removal/prevention of hazards, and other ground swap ins. Defog is also far more valuable for this type of team. --> URlets be honest, this mon has been homeless since the
suspect and DEFINITELY the suspect. I don't think that it really provides anything unique at this point that is worth being on VR for. --> A-This is my last one for now, I have been typing for a while now LOL. Mandibuzz has been a solid pokemon for a while, but I think that with the rise of both
and in the recent meta, along with being far and away the most consistant form of Defog in the tier, I would argue it deserves A-.
--> A+Lokix has been a very consistent presence in the current UU metagame. Its access to strong dual priority in First Impression and Sucker Punch is extremely valuable, allowing it to check both
and while only occupying a single teamslot.It also provides useful utility through Knock Off and U-turn, helping maintain momentum while pressuring defensive cores by removing key items. Lokix performs very well against offensive teams thanks to its powerful priority, while also being one of the more effective Pokémon against stall, as it can repeatedly remove items and generate momentum to wear defensive structures down over time.
--> B+Hisuian Arcanine has seen a noticeable increase in usage recently, which may be related to the relatively slower pace of the metagame mentioned in earlier discussions. This gives it more opportunities to repeatedly come in and apply pressure throughout a match.
The Fire + Rock STAB combination allows it to pressure common physical walls such as
and , which struggle to switch in safely. Its offensive lead set also matches up well into common Stealth Rock setters like and , while being less passive than alternatives such as .An interesting aspect of Hisuian Arcanine is its access to Morning Sun, something most offensive leads lack. This gives it the option to recover and continue applying pressure instead of functioning purely as a suicide lead. Choice Band sets can also be quite threatening when supported by pivoting.
--> AConkeldurr has also been performing very consistently in the current metagame. One of its biggest strengths is its set versatility, with viable options such as Guts + Flame Orb, Assault Vest, and Bulk Up, allowing it to fit on a wide range of offensive and balanced teams.
Its wide coverage makes it difficult to handle in a consistent way. Earthquake lets it threaten Pokémon such as
, , and , while also putting pressure on traditional physical walls like and , which cannot always switch in comfortably.In some matchups, Conkeldurr can snowball quickly, especially with Guts-boosted sets. Variants using Tera Steel can also change interactions against threats like
. Combined with its high HP and physical bulk, along with Drain Punch recovery, it can be surprisingly difficult to revenge kill or wear down over the course of a game.
--> AMandibuzz has proven to be a very reliable mixed wall in the current metagame, which is especially valuable given the heavy presence of
. Its immunity to Psychic and neutrality to Dragon allow it to switch into consistently, and its access to reliable recovery further reinforces its defensive role.It also provides excellent utility through access to Defog, which is particularly valuable in a tier where consistent hazard removal options are limited. Its move Foul Play allows it to punish physical setup sweepers, while Toxic and Knock Off give it strong supportive tools that are especially useful on hazard-stacking structures.
Mandibuzz is also one of the best answers to
in the tier. It can switch in freely on Stun Spore, resists both of 's STABs, and threatens it with Toxic, often forcing Terastallization and making much easier to wear down over the course of a match.
--> ASinistcha has established itself as a strong presence in the current UU metagame, particularly on hazard-stacking teams and certain stall builds.
is by far the best spinblocker available in the tier, largely due to its typing, which allows it to resist the Ground-type STAB moves from and . These Pokémon can be quite problematic for alternatives like , which often takes heavy damage on the switch, while does not share this issue.It is also one of the few truly solid answers to
, being able to consistently check it and other physical attackers thanks to Strength Sap.Additionally,
can function as an occasional win condition with Calm Mind, while also providing valuable speed control through Stun Spore, further increasing its overall utility and versatility in the current metagame.
-> S+I stand by my own and knowledgeable fact that Latios is the best mon in UU by far. It just fills a lot of roles. Want a specs wallbreaker?
does it. Want a scarfer for speed control? does it. Want a calm mind user? does it. Want something that can bring in a glass cannon in safely? does it. Want a tricker to mess stall up? does it.Overall, this mon is really splashable onto most teams, and he really a lot to offer with its great speed, sp atk and decent typing. It may not be the best in OU, but oh boy he is going to do a lot. I think this blue jet boy is better than any mon in the tier, imo.
Justice for him!
Ok now I will say the vulture deserves to be A rank, imo.
the Bone Vulture's excellent typing and bulk with access to reliable recovery makes it a great check and premier wall for most teams. It has been going well for her with toxic, roost, uturn and defog. It’s able to stand out as a great pivot in the tier, ideally.
should also be higher. While it may have a bad typing and poor speed stat, it hits extremely hard especially when combined with the guts + facade combo. Access to reliable healing in drain punch and priority in mach punch for great STAB moves perspectives. It also has a great MU into a lot of threats like and due to said STABs. Facade is also a deal breaker when combined with guts and flame orb. It allows conk to even 2HKO resists like and due to tera normal.
Overall, I think the 2 should be placed higher
the Bone Vulture's excellent typing and bulk with access to reliable recovery makes it a great check and premier wall for most teams. It has been going well for her with toxic, roost, uturn and defog. It’s able to stand out as a great pivot in the tier, ideally. should also be higher. While it may have a bad typing and poor speed stat, it hits extremely hard especially when combined with the guts + facade combo. Access to reliable healing in drain punch and priority in mach punch for great STAB moves perspectives. It also has a great MU into a lot of threats like and due to said STABs. Facade is also a deal breaker when combined with guts and flame orb. It allows conk to even 2HKO resists like and due to tera normal.Overall, I think the 2 should be placed higher
Laitos S+? Sure its good but it isnt to the point where ur worse off if u dont run it.. picture GSC snorlax, Primal Groudon...
I stand by my own and knowledgeable fact that Latios is the best mon in UU by far. It just fills a lot of roles. Want a specs wallbreaker?
Overall, this mon is really splashable onto most teams, and he really a lot to offer with its great speed, sp atk and decent typing. It may not be the best in OU, but oh boy he is going to do a lot. I think this blue jet boy is better than any mon in the tier, imo.
Justice for him!
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I wouldnt say Latios is GSC Snorlax/RBY Mewtwo levels of good… thing is its very splashable with a lot of roles it fills
I'll say its rather the Zacian of UU
But your right.
Keep in mind, Tornadus-Therian was S tier at its peak. Latios is really strong, but it is definitely not as good as Torn was.
I stand by my own and knowledgeable fact that Latios is the best mon in UU by far. It just fills a lot of roles. Want a specs wallbreaker?
Overall, this mon is really splashable onto most teams, and he really a lot to offer with its great speed, sp atk and decent typing. It may not be the best in OU, but oh boy he is going to do a lot. I think this blue jet boy is better than any mon in the tier, imo.
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New VR change just in time for shifts! Thank you to everyone who gave suggestions, and Latios now has a roommate in S!
Rises:
A+ to S
Fastest central piece of the meta while also being near impossible to answer in the long term. This, in tandem with how common hazards are at the moment, makes Weavile an incredibly consistent piece for almost any team (as long as Triple Axel cooperates).
A- to A
Zarude ban is continuing to be huge for Sinistcha, now it can condense a spinblocker and general physical check with the option to slot para to mess with some switch-ins. Its also seen interesting sets like OTR, CM Stun Hex, and others, so Sinistcha very easily fits in the A rank.
A- to A
Despite the rise of Sinistcha, Conkeldurr has continued to be a demon with it leaning more into its AV set, making it a demon to take down while bashing you over and over. Bulk Up and Flame Orb sets remain cool as well, adding more layers to Conk's gameplay than it would seem.
A- to A
Offensive threat that can check Weavile and sometimes rob games with CM Sub Tera Steel, which demands respect so tossing Sinistcha Latios or Toxapex in to check it isnt safe. Its bulk compared to some other offensive mons is quite nice even if missing out on the 110 base speed threshold stings. Similar to Conk, its set diversity plays into its threat level, as no one check to it feels entirely safe given the mixup potential.
B to A-
Probably the best punish to Sinistcha Dependency with the fact that it resists both stabs, has Nasty Plot, and is immune to the spikes that Sinistcha is typically paired with. Similarly to Keldeo, its also just a generally good punish to fat styles with Sub and Tera, but is far more immediate with pressure due to getting +2 sp atk.
B+ to A-
Offensive Steel that can either run bulk to check Latios or TrickScarf to harass defensive teams. Either way, it provides a nice amount of pressure and bulk to any team that is almost never useless given the fact that its a stat blob at the end of the day.
B+ to A-
Annoying guy, statuses stuff, clicks pain split, leaves. Spikes immunity is quite nice as mentioned with Hydrei, and VoltTurn cores are nice with how good Weavile is.
B+ to A-
Latios and Weavile check in one slot, has good utility moves, can punish knock, nuff said.
B- to B
Adores the slower pace of the current meta, allowing it to find far more opportunities to come in and bash heads. It's also a great option on Sun with the nuclear power of its recoilless Flare Blitz. Additional developments have also shown up, with the rise of Sinis making it a better rocker, and the potential for Morning Sun making it a somewhat more sound Fezandipiti punish.
B- to B
Being above the 110 speed tier is major these days, and being a volt-turn option that does it is even better. Has interesting utility options in Knock Off and Sludge Bomb poisons.
UR to C
Strong Water Ghost Type with Ice coverage in a tier where the best ghost resists are Hydreigon and Mandibuzz is interesting to see, requires a lot of support however given its need to run something other than boots to function, but an interesting option nonetheless.
UR to C
Skarm is everywhere, what else is there to say?
UR to C
Tiers fat, bring in the PP Staller
UR to B-
A decent choice of fast pivot given it outspeeds Weavile and threatens and OHKO on it. Can opt for defog as well which can be useful in the event it gets knocked.
UR to C
Cool HO option that punishes some of the bulky cores we see currently, pretty fringe however given how it tends to stack problems with other HO mons so it requires a specific kind of team.
Drops:
A- to B+
Grass Resists are everywhere and the other stuff Ogerpon provides either arent as useful these days, or can be done with something else. Its also a bit of a tera sink which stinks. Its not bad at all but definitely worse than it once was.
B to B-
Torns been gone for half a year and idt anyone's used this guy since. Spikes vomit makes it even worse and its services just generally aren't very needed anymore. Can still act as a Weav punish, but the fact that its effectively OHKOd by knock is rough.
B to B-
Steel type that doesnt check anything you want a steel to check other than Weavile, and even then its not very good at checking Weavile given how spikes weak it is. Its a super short term check to things in a tier that doesnt operate in the short term very often.
B to B-
Has a solid amount of utility, but just generally struggles to make use of it given how many moves it wants at the same time. Iron Head, Twave/Thunder/Body Slam, Wish, Protect, U-turn, etc, all of which are pretty important and hurt to drop.
B to B-
Suffers from the same issues it always has, stuffs too fat and it just does not fit in well. Needs investment in too many stats at once, too many Teras at once, Leaf Storm can just not cooperate and only has 8 pp, and so on.
B- to C
Hasnt really seen usage in a while, needs such specific support that usually ends up with a dead slot on the team, or with Lucha itself being a dead slot in half of the games its in.
UR to B- to C (???)
C to UR
Relic of some old cheese meta, hasnt been used in ages.
Rises:
A+ to SFastest central piece of the meta while also being near impossible to answer in the long term. This, in tandem with how common hazards are at the moment, makes Weavile an incredibly consistent piece for almost any team (as long as Triple Axel cooperates).
A- to AZarude ban is continuing to be huge for Sinistcha, now it can condense a spinblocker and general physical check with the option to slot para to mess with some switch-ins. Its also seen interesting sets like OTR, CM Stun Hex, and others, so Sinistcha very easily fits in the A rank.
A- to ADespite the rise of Sinistcha, Conkeldurr has continued to be a demon with it leaning more into its AV set, making it a demon to take down while bashing you over and over. Bulk Up and Flame Orb sets remain cool as well, adding more layers to Conk's gameplay than it would seem.
A- to AOffensive threat that can check Weavile and sometimes rob games with CM Sub Tera Steel, which demands respect so tossing Sinistcha Latios or Toxapex in to check it isnt safe. Its bulk compared to some other offensive mons is quite nice even if missing out on the 110 base speed threshold stings. Similar to Conk, its set diversity plays into its threat level, as no one check to it feels entirely safe given the mixup potential.
B to A-Probably the best punish to Sinistcha Dependency with the fact that it resists both stabs, has Nasty Plot, and is immune to the spikes that Sinistcha is typically paired with. Similarly to Keldeo, its also just a generally good punish to fat styles with Sub and Tera, but is far more immediate with pressure due to getting +2 sp atk.
B+ to A-Offensive Steel that can either run bulk to check Latios or TrickScarf to harass defensive teams. Either way, it provides a nice amount of pressure and bulk to any team that is almost never useless given the fact that its a stat blob at the end of the day.
B+ to A-Annoying guy, statuses stuff, clicks pain split, leaves. Spikes immunity is quite nice as mentioned with Hydrei, and VoltTurn cores are nice with how good Weavile is.
B+ to A-Latios and Weavile check in one slot, has good utility moves, can punish knock, nuff said.
B- to BAdores the slower pace of the current meta, allowing it to find far more opportunities to come in and bash heads. It's also a great option on Sun with the nuclear power of its recoilless Flare Blitz. Additional developments have also shown up, with the rise of Sinis making it a better rocker, and the potential for Morning Sun making it a somewhat more sound Fezandipiti punish.
B- to BBeing above the 110 speed tier is major these days, and being a volt-turn option that does it is even better. Has interesting utility options in Knock Off and Sludge Bomb poisons.
UR to CStrong Water Ghost Type with Ice coverage in a tier where the best ghost resists are Hydreigon and Mandibuzz is interesting to see, requires a lot of support however given its need to run something other than boots to function, but an interesting option nonetheless.
UR to CSkarm is everywhere, what else is there to say?
UR to CTiers fat, bring in the PP Staller
UR to B-A decent choice of fast pivot given it outspeeds Weavile and threatens and OHKO on it. Can opt for defog as well which can be useful in the event it gets knocked.
UR to CCool HO option that punishes some of the bulky cores we see currently, pretty fringe however given how it tends to stack problems with other HO mons so it requires a specific kind of team.
Drops:
A- to B+Grass Resists are everywhere and the other stuff Ogerpon provides either arent as useful these days, or can be done with something else. Its also a bit of a tera sink which stinks. Its not bad at all but definitely worse than it once was.
B to B-Torns been gone for half a year and idt anyone's used this guy since. Spikes vomit makes it even worse and its services just generally aren't very needed anymore. Can still act as a Weav punish, but the fact that its effectively OHKOd by knock is rough.
B to B-Steel type that doesnt check anything you want a steel to check other than Weavile, and even then its not very good at checking Weavile given how spikes weak it is. Its a super short term check to things in a tier that doesnt operate in the short term very often.
B to B-Has a solid amount of utility, but just generally struggles to make use of it given how many moves it wants at the same time. Iron Head, Twave/Thunder/Body Slam, Wish, Protect, U-turn, etc, all of which are pretty important and hurt to drop.
B to B-Suffers from the same issues it always has, stuffs too fat and it just does not fit in well. Needs investment in too many stats at once, too many Teras at once, Leaf Storm can just not cooperate and only has 8 pp, and so on.
B- to CHasnt really seen usage in a while, needs such specific support that usually ends up with a dead slot on the team, or with Lucha itself being a dead slot in half of the games its in.
UR to B- to C (???) C to URRelic of some old cheese meta, hasnt been used in ages.
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