Despite how well received Frostbite is compared to Freeze? I wonder why GF decided to double down on Freeze despite how disliked the latter is, especially nowadays.
Well like you said about playing to Ice strengths, water is very flexible with things like chilling water and scald burns. Ice is very limited other than just "cold restricting movement or damaging your cells over time" kind of idea. If freeze was just reworked to being a para clone I think it could work a little better.
I don’t trust GF when it comes to balancing, but if you want something that plays with cold that restricts movement, maybe make it so that instead of completely stop a Pokémon from making their move, Freeze will make almost all moves (OHKO moves not included) bypassing accuracy check on the victim as they are unable to dodge, or anything else that don’t overlap with Sleep or Paralysis. Z-A shows that movement speed is not the same as the overall Speed stat, and movement speed can be used to dodge incoming moves, so there’s that.
To me Freeze is worse because Frostbite gives the possibility of Burning every Physical Attacker and Frostbiting every Special Attacker on the opposing team
I would argue frostbite cutting spa in half does work well with snow raising ice types´ defense. I don´t think they should add any actual moves based around frostbite, at least not generic moves. Just replace the 10% freeze moves with 10% frostbite, make an ice type version of flame body and give it to articuno and a couple others, save the 30% for a signature move only and NEVER make frostbite will-o-wisp
Genuine question: whats stopping it?
imagine if burn didn't exist and you were in the balance team and said "let's add a status that halves your attack for the rest of your battle and the mon takes damage at the end of the turn"
Ice being immune to Frostbite works well for Special Attacking Ice types since it'd be a status they are completely immune to that otherwise would ruin other Special Attackers and is reasonable enough to be common. It's like how Burn somewhat buffs Fire types by extension of being immune to them.
The scenario of every Pokemon on your team being both Burned and Frostbitten is just absurd. You'd have to be really unlucky with Flamethrower and Ice Beam, or let your opponent do what ever they want.
will o wisp is very common let alone things like scald, and realistically if they replace freeze they will 100% make it easier to spread, it's really not that hard to burn most of a team in singles or honestly even in VGC, it's just usually not worthwhile because of spatkers
in singles a lot of spatkers status is more limited outside of setup as less of them get things like hazards, knock off fairly common
"glory to rng 10% knockout chance (and probably moves that are 75% knockout chance); death to rng 10% knock out chance!"
Yeah, especially with how widely distributed stuff like Close Combat for Fighting move, but then you have Water, Ice, Electric, Psychic, Ghost (until Gen 8 for that one), Dragon and Fairy have Special moves with less severe drawback, more power and consistency compared to their physical moves, with Scald (before Gen 8 or so), Moonblast and Draco Meteor being standout examples. Rapid Spin and Knock Off were too ubiquitous to discount for physical and many physical Pokémon get either of those, but such moves doesn’t require a high physical Attack to function as intended anyways.
imo accuracy is a much bigger nerf than recoil/stats drop/etc
My heart agrees with you about accuracy vs recoil. I nearly have a heart attack clicking any inaccurate move during an important turn.
I feel like that depends on how much the game is going to make use of them. Without rental-only formats or NPCs using them, there doesn't seem to be a big reason to detail sets that the kind of player that looks up detailed guides is unlikely to use or encounter.
from what we've seen the rentals are random, the same mon can have different things
Add SM and USUM while you're at it (the last generation to have all mons and moves back then be actually implemented and not excised out of the game).
Made a big dumb table of movelearns to compare against Champions when we have lists. Also compares to SWSH / BDSP / SV / PLZA for reference purposes (might add PLA but that game's movelearns were kind of wack).
Trying to make a point to label any anomalies I spot in my data (I labeled any old HOME leak which I still had present in my data for the other purposes I use this data for, and my Gen 8 data generally is stored kind of awkwardly) but the sheet also takes comments (third link in my signature) if anyone spots anything.
I’d say so. You could definitely make a metagame out of rentals here.
