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Tournament ZUCL I - Commencement Thread
- Thread starter Murphy Lawden
- Start date
Whose feet you gotta rub to get in these team tours
Shouldve jinxed me too smh
zucl i bingo, i usually make these before auction but this tour i forgot / didn't have time. as per usual these are just for fun so don't take them too seriously. i believe i'm on a 3(?) bingos streak so let's keep it going
Wrote these last night and didn't press enter, I did proofread so I guess you can sue me or smth if they don't make sense:
Given the choice between Commencement PRs and sleep, I think we know that it wasn't really a choice at all. I'm loosely going at this based on 'what tiers does the team get Ws against if the opponent is all 3-3 players.' It's not a perfect system since I don't think I rated a single GSC or RBY correctly. I'm skipping the Lana Del Catty because as much as I want to self-glaze, I also want to sleep eventually. I also assume that nobody builds unless I know they build, so if you build and I missed that, I'm sorry, and feel free to correct me in your own rankings.
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i think the lumineons strength in flex makes it worth putting them first of the teams I ranked. the bastiodon roster was also pretty flexible. audinos third since it hinges on tuthur a lot in my eyes, rampardos 4th since i guess i put it here, bonnet 5th because i think it has some holes and zpice can only fill 1, weezings next, and tombs last because im not really confident in their support for each tier.
Given the choice between Commencement PRs and sleep, I think we know that it wasn't really a choice at all. I'm loosely going at this based on 'what tiers does the team get Ws against if the opponent is all 3-3 players.' It's not a perfect system since I don't think I rated a single GSC or RBY correctly. I'm skipping the Lana Del Catty because as much as I want to self-glaze, I also want to sleep eventually. I also assume that nobody builds unless I know they build, so if you build and I missed that, I'm sorry, and feel free to correct me in your own rankings.
seraphz, mz, hubriz, fogbound lake, bouff, sadisticnarwhal, clem, lyra, mada, akotelette, mirbro, envy
I think right off the bat, the strong points of the draft are sMZu, Fogbound Lake in ADV, and SaDiSTiCNarwhal in RBY. They're all people I expect to do well in the tiers they are playing in, with MZ doing very well in SM historically and Fogbound Lake being the ADV of the ZUPL-winning team, and SaD being an RBYer (I'm sorry idk rby well and im not pulling up any sheets). Hubriz stands out as a DPP player. Beyond that, I'm not too sure what to make of the rest of this draft. I'm assuming the GSC slot would be Lyra, and I have no idea how good Lyra is at GSC ZU. There are a couple of people who I'd assume get slotted into BW like Mirbro or seraphz. The SS slot has Ninja support, but who is the SS slot here, Envy?? The SV core is probably going to be Bouff + mada/envy/seraphz/whoever (in that order), and my only recent impression of any of them in SV ZU was in UMPL where seraphz used a lot of known teams. What I'm left with is whoever they throw into ORAS since I can't tell (Envy????), and Clem and Akotelette, two people who I have no read on as for what tiers or role they're playing.
I am going to blindly assume Bouff in SV1 goes positive, but I can't say the same for whoever is in the second SV slot based on what I assume the SV support looks like here. MZ, Fogbound, and SaD are also beating the hypothetical average guy. I think there's enough SS support for something to happen here, and although Hubriz is no BeatsBlack or Drud, I think he holds up in DPP enough. I'm not sure if Mirbro support + whoever is enough for the BW slot, so I added a tie option for this and DPP since I think they're equally good but not sMZu good. As for GSC and ORAS, I am unfamiliar with Lyra's GSC ZU game and they weren't Bouff-priced, and if I can't tell you who I think the ORAS is I can't predict it winning.
vs team of guys breaking even:
Ws - SM, ADV, RBY, SS, SV1
Tossup - DPP, BW
Ls - GSC, ORAS, SV2
Overall this team has strong upsides, but it left me with a couple of question marks. Their strong tiers are strong, but I think their tossups are less likely to result in Ws than some other team's tossups.
I think right off the bat, the strong points of the draft are sMZu, Fogbound Lake in ADV, and SaDiSTiCNarwhal in RBY. They're all people I expect to do well in the tiers they are playing in, with MZ doing very well in SM historically and Fogbound Lake being the ADV of the ZUPL-winning team, and SaD being an RBYer (I'm sorry idk rby well and im not pulling up any sheets). Hubriz stands out as a DPP player. Beyond that, I'm not too sure what to make of the rest of this draft. I'm assuming the GSC slot would be Lyra, and I have no idea how good Lyra is at GSC ZU. There are a couple of people who I'd assume get slotted into BW like Mirbro or seraphz. The SS slot has Ninja support, but who is the SS slot here, Envy?? The SV core is probably going to be Bouff + mada/envy/seraphz/whoever (in that order), and my only recent impression of any of them in SV ZU was in UMPL where seraphz used a lot of known teams. What I'm left with is whoever they throw into ORAS since I can't tell (Envy????), and Clem and Akotelette, two people who I have no read on as for what tiers or role they're playing.
I am going to blindly assume Bouff in SV1 goes positive, but I can't say the same for whoever is in the second SV slot based on what I assume the SV support looks like here. MZ, Fogbound, and SaD are also beating the hypothetical average guy. I think there's enough SS support for something to happen here, and although Hubriz is no BeatsBlack or Drud, I think he holds up in DPP enough. I'm not sure if Mirbro support + whoever is enough for the BW slot, so I added a tie option for this and DPP since I think they're equally good but not sMZu good. As for GSC and ORAS, I am unfamiliar with Lyra's GSC ZU game and they weren't Bouff-priced, and if I can't tell you who I think the ORAS is I can't predict it winning.
vs team of guys breaking even:
Ws - SM, ADV, RBY, SS, SV1
Tossup - DPP, BW
Ls - GSC, ORAS, SV2
Overall this team has strong upsides, but it left me with a couple of question marks. Their strong tiers are strong, but I think their tossups are less likely to result in Ws than some other team's tossups.
baoba, lpz, toot, ddjoe, pokeslice, danbear02, plznostep, bigfatmantis, baddy, phb11677
This team REALLY has ADV covered with Baoba + plznostep. SM Toto and SS Pokeslice are also good, but Toto is probably still convinced he's retired, and someone separated the Slice+BaitWiz SS core. LpZ is probably this team's BWZU (I would be shocked if not, unless they really need the SV). I'm only 2 teams in and this one also appears to not have an ORAS. How did this happen twice?? With my not-up-to-date RBY knowledge I'm not sure how reliable PHB is as an RBYer, but this is definitely the team's RBY. BigFatMantis is in GSC, and I at least recognize the name. For this team's SV, I'd expect Danbear02 to at least go even, akin in vibe to Trichotomy last ZUPL. Their other SV slot is Baddy, who I fully expect to go positive. DBD, DD Joe, and steppy should be able to support this SV core. And finally, there's DPP, which I nearly forgot because I'm not sure anyone on this squad has experience in the tier.
Well, ADV is automatically making this team start at 1-0, and if not I'd have questions. I would also have questions if LpZ didn't at least go positive. Independent of how much effort Toto puts in, he is still going positive in SM. Baddy is the 4th person that I'd expect to win in a given week, and if not, there is enough potential on this SV for the team to go 1-1 each week. From there, SS and GSC are going to be competitive, but compared to the other 4 slots, I think it's reasonable to call those tossups. I'm less confident in this team's RBY than SS/GSC, and I have no idea how DD Joe, Danbear02, and Plznostep are going to clutch up DPP and ORAS with whatever teams Toto steals while also maintaining SV2.
Ws - ADV, SM, BW, SV1
Tossup - SS, GSC, SV2
Ls - ORAS, RBY, DPP
The 4 tiers that I think are going to win consistently aren't even overshadowing the ones in the tossup category by that much. However, I think the support for ORAS and DPP is very dire, and while I expect one of steppy and DD Joe to pull in some Ws in those slots, but not even more reliably than this team's RBY.
This team REALLY has ADV covered with Baoba + plznostep. SM Toto and SS Pokeslice are also good, but Toto is probably still convinced he's retired, and someone separated the Slice+BaitWiz SS core. LpZ is probably this team's BWZU (I would be shocked if not, unless they really need the SV). I'm only 2 teams in and this one also appears to not have an ORAS. How did this happen twice?? With my not-up-to-date RBY knowledge I'm not sure how reliable PHB is as an RBYer, but this is definitely the team's RBY. BigFatMantis is in GSC, and I at least recognize the name. For this team's SV, I'd expect Danbear02 to at least go even, akin in vibe to Trichotomy last ZUPL. Their other SV slot is Baddy, who I fully expect to go positive. DBD, DD Joe, and steppy should be able to support this SV core. And finally, there's DPP, which I nearly forgot because I'm not sure anyone on this squad has experience in the tier.
Well, ADV is automatically making this team start at 1-0, and if not I'd have questions. I would also have questions if LpZ didn't at least go positive. Independent of how much effort Toto puts in, he is still going positive in SM. Baddy is the 4th person that I'd expect to win in a given week, and if not, there is enough potential on this SV for the team to go 1-1 each week. From there, SS and GSC are going to be competitive, but compared to the other 4 slots, I think it's reasonable to call those tossups. I'm less confident in this team's RBY than SS/GSC, and I have no idea how DD Joe, Danbear02, and Plznostep are going to clutch up DPP and ORAS with whatever teams Toto steals while also maintaining SV2.
Ws - ADV, SM, BW, SV1
Tossup - SS, GSC, SV2
Ls - ORAS, RBY, DPP
The 4 tiers that I think are going to win consistently aren't even overshadowing the ones in the tossup category by that much. However, I think the support for ORAS and DPP is very dire, and while I expect one of steppy and DD Joe to pull in some Ws in those slots, but not even more reliably than this team's RBY.
beatsblack, drud, clean, obb10, zause, feen, notverycake, donbonejones, parpar, budgetplayer, soulking0, hex
I found the DPP. Drud and BeatsBlack are arguably the best 2 DPP in the pool, but I guess BeatsBlack has to play in the other 4 tiers they played when winning ZU Classic. I'm going to default BeatsBlack into BW, since it's that or GSC and I don't think BB plays GSC as a self-flex. There is also feen for GSC if needed. I think that Zause + Budget are going to do well as an SV core, and surely there are other options for SV like Feen and hex (and OBB) if one or both of them need to play a flex tier. I don't know clean's game but I guess clean is good at SSZU, and if not, zause and OBB are there too. NotVeryCake can cover RBY, Parpar is good in ADV, and despite being known as 1-5bb, OBB is good in SM, or whatever tier really. I can't find the ORAS though, unless it's OBB.
The chance of Drud + BeatsBlack DPP + BW going wrong is low, and even if BB needs to slot somewhere else, DonBoneJones can cover in BW. I really like how flexible the SV slot is, and so far it looks like one of the better SV pair. SS is covered, RBY and ADV are covered, and OBB covers one of SM and ORAS, depending on the week I guess. Their GSC isn't bad, but I think comparatively it's the worst non-OBB-possibly-playing-it slot.
Ws - DPP, SV1, SS, BW
Tossup - RBY, SV2, SM, ADV
Ls - GSC, ORAS
The toss-ups felt like less hard confirmed winning slots, especially compared to some other teams I've looked at. I'm a fan of this team's SV, and even if this team is missing one of ORAS and SM depending on OBB, I think that 'depending on OBB' is enough to look past that, especially if feen or zause or drud maybe can randomly slot into one of them.
I found the DPP. Drud and BeatsBlack are arguably the best 2 DPP in the pool, but I guess BeatsBlack has to play in the other 4 tiers they played when winning ZU Classic. I'm going to default BeatsBlack into BW, since it's that or GSC and I don't think BB plays GSC as a self-flex. There is also feen for GSC if needed. I think that Zause + Budget are going to do well as an SV core, and surely there are other options for SV like Feen and hex (and OBB) if one or both of them need to play a flex tier. I don't know clean's game but I guess clean is good at SSZU, and if not, zause and OBB are there too. NotVeryCake can cover RBY, Parpar is good in ADV, and despite being known as 1-5bb, OBB is good in SM, or whatever tier really. I can't find the ORAS though, unless it's OBB.
The chance of Drud + BeatsBlack DPP + BW going wrong is low, and even if BB needs to slot somewhere else, DonBoneJones can cover in BW. I really like how flexible the SV slot is, and so far it looks like one of the better SV pair. SS is covered, RBY and ADV are covered, and OBB covers one of SM and ORAS, depending on the week I guess. Their GSC isn't bad, but I think comparatively it's the worst non-OBB-possibly-playing-it slot.
Ws - DPP, SV1, SS, BW
Tossup - RBY, SV2, SM, ADV
Ls - GSC, ORAS
The toss-ups felt like less hard confirmed winning slots, especially compared to some other teams I've looked at. I'm a fan of this team's SV, and even if this team is missing one of ORAS and SM depending on OBB, I think that 'depending on OBB' is enough to look past that, especially if feen or zause or drud maybe can randomly slot into one of them.
tuthur dugza etern plague melbelle shadow079 beka magialice gondra zcarlett wooper
This team has a strong SV core, with Tuthur being able to support whoever between Etern, Shadow, Gondra, and himself start there. I'm not too familiar with RBY so I've never heard of Melbelle really, but I fully expect Tuthur + phil to be able to support RBY. I'm expecting to see a DPP plague, BW magialice, probably ADV Zcarlett, Beka and DugZa covering fairy gens, and Tuthur covering holes. Not sure who of them will be in which of SS/SM/ORAS (DugZa ORAS?), but they'll do good. Now, I don't know who this team's GSC is. Wooper and Zcarlett didn't sign up for it, and if it's not them in GSC is it plague?? No idea.
I wanted to put one SV into the tossup category, but if this isn't a double positive SV idk what is. The only thing I'm more certain of is this RBY going positive on paper (idk its rby ive heard luck happens a lot here). I'm also fairly certain that GSC is the one tier Tuthur won't slot himself into. I really shouldn't have put all of SS, SM, and ORAS into the tossups, but if my theory about Tuthur building in SV is right, and if he happens to be the designated SS, SM, and ORAS support, that's a lot of tiers for one person. I have no doubt that Tuthur can succeed if this much support is needed, but I do doubt that it'll consistently pay off in all 5 areas. DPP BW and ADV all look to have self-sufficient players to my knowledge.
Ws - SV1, SV2, RBY
Tossups - SS, SM, ORAS, DPP, BW, ADV
Ls - GSC
I think this team has a lot of skill and that I'm being harsh with the tossups, but I'm not sure how many people on it have time to build.
This team has a strong SV core, with Tuthur being able to support whoever between Etern, Shadow, Gondra, and himself start there. I'm not too familiar with RBY so I've never heard of Melbelle really, but I fully expect Tuthur + phil to be able to support RBY. I'm expecting to see a DPP plague, BW magialice, probably ADV Zcarlett, Beka and DugZa covering fairy gens, and Tuthur covering holes. Not sure who of them will be in which of SS/SM/ORAS (DugZa ORAS?), but they'll do good. Now, I don't know who this team's GSC is. Wooper and Zcarlett didn't sign up for it, and if it's not them in GSC is it plague?? No idea.
I wanted to put one SV into the tossup category, but if this isn't a double positive SV idk what is. The only thing I'm more certain of is this RBY going positive on paper (idk its rby ive heard luck happens a lot here). I'm also fairly certain that GSC is the one tier Tuthur won't slot himself into. I really shouldn't have put all of SS, SM, and ORAS into the tossups, but if my theory about Tuthur building in SV is right, and if he happens to be the designated SS, SM, and ORAS support, that's a lot of tiers for one person. I have no doubt that Tuthur can succeed if this much support is needed, but I do doubt that it'll consistently pay off in all 5 areas. DPP BW and ADV all look to have self-sufficient players to my knowledge.
Ws - SV1, SV2, RBY
Tossups - SS, SM, ORAS, DPP, BW, ADV
Ls - GSC
I think this team has a lot of skill and that I'm being harsh with the tossups, but I'm not sure how many people on it have time to build.
zpice, marisbonibell, sleid, afruitshopowner, michaelderbeste2, michael jordan, greybaum, baitwiz, tizio, tbasedgod, lafell, fvkumean
There are a lot of good oldgen ZU players on this squad, with a fruitshop owner in probably ORAS and Greybaum in probably SS. The team should also be able to hold its own in SM with MJ, with support from the other 2 names and BaitWiz. Maris Bonnibell is in GSC (probably in part due to that one 800 turn Lice game because if so same) and not RBY, which probably leaves Zpice in that tier, if not someone like MJ. Because of how stacked the fairy gens are on this squad, I assume that MichaelderBeste2 and sleid are the SV slots. I'm assuming that BaitWiz is going to be building for MB2, because if not then who is? sleid? TBG? After those slots though, I don't know what I'm looking at. I guess Greybaum and Tizio can play gens 5/4 based on sign-up, and I guess Zpice is the designated ADV?
I think out of ORAS, SM, SS, and both SV slots, 3/5 of them are guaranteed to win each week, if not more. I put down 4 below to be safe. I also think that the GSC pool is small enough to where I like Maris Bonibell's odds in it. If this team does play RBY, I think that there is enough support for a slot to do well. As for RBY, BW, DPP, and ADV, these tiers are gonna be Zpice and Zpice's chosen pawns each week, unless I'm underselling Graybaum a lot. I don't think Tizio, Lafell, and fvkumean carry any of those 4 tiers except maybe BW. I guess it'll work out if Zpice is ADV, Tizio is BW, MJ is RBY i guess, and Greybaum is DPP, but I'm playing mad libs with those tiers I'm not sure what this roster looks like.
Ws - SS, ORAS, SV1, SM, GSC
Tossups - SV2,
Ls - whichever of ADV, RBY, BW, DPP Zpice isn't playing
This team has a lot of variability, where I'm not super confident on anything tbh. I think it has good SS-ORAS support, a good SV, and Zpice 4 other tiers. If this team falls apart, there is not much roster depth outside of the SS-ORAS tiers (except in SV I guess)
There are a lot of good oldgen ZU players on this squad, with a fruitshop owner in probably ORAS and Greybaum in probably SS. The team should also be able to hold its own in SM with MJ, with support from the other 2 names and BaitWiz. Maris Bonnibell is in GSC (probably in part due to that one 800 turn Lice game because if so same) and not RBY, which probably leaves Zpice in that tier, if not someone like MJ. Because of how stacked the fairy gens are on this squad, I assume that MichaelderBeste2 and sleid are the SV slots. I'm assuming that BaitWiz is going to be building for MB2, because if not then who is? sleid? TBG? After those slots though, I don't know what I'm looking at. I guess Greybaum and Tizio can play gens 5/4 based on sign-up, and I guess Zpice is the designated ADV?
I think out of ORAS, SM, SS, and both SV slots, 3/5 of them are guaranteed to win each week, if not more. I put down 4 below to be safe. I also think that the GSC pool is small enough to where I like Maris Bonibell's odds in it. If this team does play RBY, I think that there is enough support for a slot to do well. As for RBY, BW, DPP, and ADV, these tiers are gonna be Zpice and Zpice's chosen pawns each week, unless I'm underselling Graybaum a lot. I don't think Tizio, Lafell, and fvkumean carry any of those 4 tiers except maybe BW. I guess it'll work out if Zpice is ADV, Tizio is BW, MJ is RBY i guess, and Greybaum is DPP, but I'm playing mad libs with those tiers I'm not sure what this roster looks like.
Ws - SS, ORAS, SV1, SM, GSC
Tossups - SV2,
Ls - whichever of ADV, RBY, BW, DPP Zpice isn't playing
This team has a lot of variability, where I'm not super confident on anything tbh. I think it has good SS-ORAS support, a good SV, and Zpice 4 other tiers. If this team falls apart, there is not much roster depth outside of the SS-ORAS tiers (except in SV I guess)
havocknight skrimps the_chungler ruffles trichotomy sky melninja acluh1 jojen joaf twentytwan
Found out where everyone's ORAS slots went. No shot this team doesn't have the best ORAS record with HAVOCKNIGHT + Ruffles. They also have a good ADV with Melninja + Joaf. acluh1 is the biggest 'who' of the draft for me, but I guess they play RBY, and if they don't, THE_CHUNGLER can. The SV core looks like its Trichotomy + TwentyTwan (and maybe sky formerly avarice), which thank goodness TwentyTwan wasn't snubbed again. HAVOCKNIGHT could also SV while Ruffles wins in ORAS.
I think this is the hardest team to judge because all of Skrimps, THE_CHUNGLER, sky, and maybe Jojen exclusively slotting into opponent flex picks. I'm very confident in all 3-4 of them being good into opposing flex slots, since Skrimps covers SS-ADV, THE_CHUNGLER singed up for that + GSC/RBY, and they have another RBY in case someone flexes RBY/GSC. I think this is less of a 'what tier do i flex into them' team and more of a 'what tier do i flex into skrimps' team.
Ws - ORAS, ADV, SV1, whatever is flexed into them
Tossups - RBY, SV2
Ls - GSC
This squad really takes advantage of the tour's format. The only possible weak points are maybe GSC (and I've said that about everyone), and picking a third tier to flex since idk what it would be or who would claim it.
Found out where everyone's ORAS slots went. No shot this team doesn't have the best ORAS record with HAVOCKNIGHT + Ruffles. They also have a good ADV with Melninja + Joaf. acluh1 is the biggest 'who' of the draft for me, but I guess they play RBY, and if they don't, THE_CHUNGLER can. The SV core looks like its Trichotomy + TwentyTwan (and maybe sky formerly avarice), which thank goodness TwentyTwan wasn't snubbed again. HAVOCKNIGHT could also SV while Ruffles wins in ORAS.
I think this is the hardest team to judge because all of Skrimps, THE_CHUNGLER, sky, and maybe Jojen exclusively slotting into opponent flex picks. I'm very confident in all 3-4 of them being good into opposing flex slots, since Skrimps covers SS-ADV, THE_CHUNGLER singed up for that + GSC/RBY, and they have another RBY in case someone flexes RBY/GSC. I think this is less of a 'what tier do i flex into them' team and more of a 'what tier do i flex into skrimps' team.
Ws - ORAS, ADV, SV1, whatever is flexed into them
Tossups - RBY, SV2
Ls - GSC
This squad really takes advantage of the tour's format. The only possible weak points are maybe GSC (and I've said that about everyone), and picking a third tier to flex since idk what it would be or who would claim it.
5gen 5dots django esteb4n hammer789 bigtony2014 aurist tack spbc princeofalltacos lb betathunder
The clear standouts are Esteb4n in SV, who is going X-2 in an absolute worst-case scenario and X-0/X-1 realistically, and the 5gen 5Dots core, who can play SM/ORAS and every tier, respectively. Between 5Dots and Tack, I think this team's BW looks good. They also have RBY and GSC in Hammer and Aurist. Beyond that, I'm assuming that Tony and Django are covering ADV/DPP, and SPBC and POAT for whatever tier. I think that the 'whatever tier' is probably SV2, since outside of 5dots, the only people I do see playing in SV (that didn't tier lock out) are SPBC, POAT, and LB, and I'm assuming the former two are going to play more oldgens, and that the latter doesn't build SVZU. If I'm not sure which of them is the SV2 slot, I can't be confident that it's going to do well.
With that, I'm not too confident in this squad's SS, since I don't know POAT's game. I think this team does fine in DPP-SM because they have the 5core and like 2 DPP people. Having a GSC is enough in my opinion, especially after how many teams appear to not have one or probably won't flex it voluntarily. Esteb4n is a free W. I shoved 4 tiers in the tossup category since I'm not sure what 5Dots is playing, but it's probably ORAS.
Ws - GSC, BW, SV1, SM
Tossups - ORAS, RBY, DPP, ADV
Ls - SV2, SS
I don't think anyone in this draft besides Esteb4n is top 1 in the pool, but everyone will go more positive than theoretical 3-3 person. 5dots plays 5 tiers. Good flex defense with 5dots and tony. I think it has good odds, ppl for every tier they find an SV2 I guess, and enough flexibility.
The clear standouts are Esteb4n in SV, who is going X-2 in an absolute worst-case scenario and X-0/X-1 realistically, and the 5gen 5Dots core, who can play SM/ORAS and every tier, respectively. Between 5Dots and Tack, I think this team's BW looks good. They also have RBY and GSC in Hammer and Aurist. Beyond that, I'm assuming that Tony and Django are covering ADV/DPP, and SPBC and POAT for whatever tier. I think that the 'whatever tier' is probably SV2, since outside of 5dots, the only people I do see playing in SV (that didn't tier lock out) are SPBC, POAT, and LB, and I'm assuming the former two are going to play more oldgens, and that the latter doesn't build SVZU. If I'm not sure which of them is the SV2 slot, I can't be confident that it's going to do well.
With that, I'm not too confident in this squad's SS, since I don't know POAT's game. I think this team does fine in DPP-SM because they have the 5core and like 2 DPP people. Having a GSC is enough in my opinion, especially after how many teams appear to not have one or probably won't flex it voluntarily. Esteb4n is a free W. I shoved 4 tiers in the tossup category since I'm not sure what 5Dots is playing, but it's probably ORAS.
Ws - GSC, BW, SV1, SM
Tossups - ORAS, RBY, DPP, ADV
Ls - SV2, SS
I don't think anyone in this draft besides Esteb4n is top 1 in the pool, but everyone will go more positive than theoretical 3-3 person. 5dots plays 5 tiers. Good flex defense with 5dots and tony. I think it has good odds, ppl for every tier they find an SV2 I guess, and enough flexibility.
>>> i think the lumineons strength in flex makes it worth putting them first of the teams I ranked. the bastiodon roster was also pretty flexible. audinos third since it hinges on tuthur a lot in my eyes, rampardos 4th since i guess i put it here, bonnet 5th because i think it has some holes and zpice can only fill 1, weezings next, and tombs last because im not really confident in their support for each tier.
very happy to win another one, was fun as it tends to be for the most part. this is a shoutouts post but also some extra yapping :D
BloodAce thanks for wanting to manage with me, if you did not i probably would've signed up as a player and have ended in a bad team LOL. we were both very busy with irlies but i appreciate you going out of your way to provide scouts every week, even if those were not any close to tryhardy scouts it's still much more than i did in the field..... you were reliable as a co and a great friend as usual, enjoy the victory.
THE_CHUNGLER you were the most central piece to our draft and to the team in general. also kind of a perfect match for us in terms of covering tiers so i knew i had to get u. I also saw how well you did in some RU? tournaments so I was confident you were still improving a lot by playing. good job with delivering and doing even better than what i expected. 7-2 when you play 3+ tiers is truly crazy, be proud and enjoy the trophy.
skrimps back to back non zupl non wc tour champions? mickey definition but yeah. congrats on the fire season, apparently you only go positive when you're with me, must be my aura? not sure would like to hear from you! anyway, we didn't really need thinking about draft plan you but i always thought you were one of the best zu mainers out there in the pool and would care about the tournament. I was right for both. except that you've also surpassed my expectations in terms of in-game play lol. your schedule was arguably the hardest of the team and you only lost once, anyway, always fun to team with you, maybe i was larping too much at your channel towards the end of the season.... i will do it more the next time! enjoy the trophy.
Ruffles oras monopoly strategy paid off? LOOOL, good effort this tour man. appreciate you locking in for us when it mattered the most, i know you're a busy busier man irl and was also committed to spl which had pretty much total overlap.... to be honest when you hit me up i was kinda uncertain because for me it was arguably more logical to pick up a cheaper pilot and go from there to save money. auction came and we got you for a very decent price. the reg szn might've been a little underwhelming but hey, the heat was loaded into a lot of unideal matchups. amazing win in finals and im sure you would've won in semis too if we needed it. lately we've been talking more and its been a blast too, thanks for all the help with both my pokimane gameplay and with oras zu within oras tournaments. enjoy your special weekend now and the trophy :D
Trichotomy i am one of your biggest fans! probably... not sure how glazed you are in monotype. anyway, amazing season again and i hope you had some fun. you're amazing as a pilot and might really be a better builder than some of the people larping like they know how to play this tier. back to back clutching finals is truly crazy and you're a great presence to have too. when you asked me randomly in that monotype teamcord about this tour i knew i had to get you, enjoy the victory.
sky im kinda homeless in ss zu so i couldn't help you much.... not like you needed me though seemingly. great plays, great vibes and so on. skrimps was glazing u in vc and i was like yeah why not we need SS, glad i listened. thanks for showing up every week and doing your best, enjoy the trophy.
acluh1 ACLUHSTER. amazing season man. i had no clue who were you (or most of the rby pool really) but seemingly both skrimps and chung said you were the goat? I don't really remember details but once again, glad i listened. 3k for a positive record + 2-0 in playoffs is truly amazing. you were also a great presence even if you didn't speak that much, also thank you for the help in that one week i wanted to slot in rby... i think the tier is actually quite fun. enjoy the victory.
TwentyTwan sorry that you couldn't play in playoffs and some of the other weeks.... i appreciate the good sport with being benched and still helping from there. your chat presence is amazing even if sometimes it didn't feel like you knew what you were talking about LOL. never let insecure folks change you though. enjoy the victory.
Jojen supahcarried? the skill of trading the record for the trophy might truly be real LOOL. you're a great friend so thanks for hopping in this one and playing tests/showing up week after week. i truly did neglect your prep a lot of the weeks... so the matchups were often borderline unplayable really. think of this as a compensation for carrying me in uwc despite the shitty record pwease.... enjoy the trophy :D
Melninja Joaf We didn't really interact much either because im also homeless in adv, but you guys cooked a lot. sorry that neither of you could play in the playoffs too.... adv pool was very stacked but we saw the effort, great vibes from the both of you too, enjoy the trophy.
Plague 5gen Michael Jordan BeatsBlack thanks a lot for hopping on board and helping in playoffs, you know i tried to get you all.... tuthur, z spice and seroo be damned. next time for sure? :D
THE_CHUNGLER you were the most central piece to our draft and to the team in general. also kind of a perfect match for us in terms of covering tiers so i knew i had to get u. I also saw how well you did in some RU? tournaments so I was confident you were still improving a lot by playing. good job with delivering and doing even better than what i expected. 7-2 when you play 3+ tiers is truly crazy, be proud and enjoy the trophy.
skrimps back to back non zupl non wc tour champions? mickey definition but yeah. congrats on the fire season, apparently you only go positive when you're with me, must be my aura? not sure would like to hear from you! anyway, we didn't really need thinking about draft plan you but i always thought you were one of the best zu mainers out there in the pool and would care about the tournament. I was right for both. except that you've also surpassed my expectations in terms of in-game play lol. your schedule was arguably the hardest of the team and you only lost once, anyway, always fun to team with you, maybe i was larping too much at your channel towards the end of the season.... i will do it more the next time! enjoy the trophy.
Ruffles oras monopoly strategy paid off? LOOOL, good effort this tour man. appreciate you locking in for us when it mattered the most, i know you're a busy busier man irl and was also committed to spl which had pretty much total overlap.... to be honest when you hit me up i was kinda uncertain because for me it was arguably more logical to pick up a cheaper pilot and go from there to save money. auction came and we got you for a very decent price. the reg szn might've been a little underwhelming but hey, the heat was loaded into a lot of unideal matchups. amazing win in finals and im sure you would've won in semis too if we needed it. lately we've been talking more and its been a blast too, thanks for all the help with both my pokimane gameplay and with oras zu within oras tournaments. enjoy your special weekend now and the trophy :D
Trichotomy i am one of your biggest fans! probably... not sure how glazed you are in monotype. anyway, amazing season again and i hope you had some fun. you're amazing as a pilot and might really be a better builder than some of the people larping like they know how to play this tier. back to back clutching finals is truly crazy and you're a great presence to have too. when you asked me randomly in that monotype teamcord about this tour i knew i had to get you, enjoy the victory.
sky im kinda homeless in ss zu so i couldn't help you much.... not like you needed me though seemingly. great plays, great vibes and so on. skrimps was glazing u in vc and i was like yeah why not we need SS, glad i listened. thanks for showing up every week and doing your best, enjoy the trophy.
acluh1 ACLUHSTER. amazing season man. i had no clue who were you (or most of the rby pool really) but seemingly both skrimps and chung said you were the goat? I don't really remember details but once again, glad i listened. 3k for a positive record + 2-0 in playoffs is truly amazing. you were also a great presence even if you didn't speak that much, also thank you for the help in that one week i wanted to slot in rby... i think the tier is actually quite fun. enjoy the victory.
TwentyTwan sorry that you couldn't play in playoffs and some of the other weeks.... i appreciate the good sport with being benched and still helping from there. your chat presence is amazing even if sometimes it didn't feel like you knew what you were talking about LOL. never let insecure folks change you though. enjoy the victory.
Jojen supahcarried? the skill of trading the record for the trophy might truly be real LOOL. you're a great friend so thanks for hopping in this one and playing tests/showing up week after week. i truly did neglect your prep a lot of the weeks... so the matchups were often borderline unplayable really. think of this as a compensation for carrying me in uwc despite the shitty record pwease.... enjoy the trophy :D
Melninja Joaf We didn't really interact much either because im also homeless in adv, but you guys cooked a lot. sorry that neither of you could play in the playoffs too.... adv pool was very stacked but we saw the effort, great vibes from the both of you too, enjoy the trophy.
Plague 5gen Michael Jordan BeatsBlack thanks a lot for hopping on board and helping in playoffs, you know i tried to get you all.... tuthur, z spice and seroo be damned. next time for sure? :D
now regarding other stuff, i would like to start by talking about the format of this tournament: It should've definitely been 6 teams, and should probably still keep 8 slots? I'm not set on the latter. I don't want to go annoyingbrat mode with the " i was right " stance but yeah....... not every team tournament has to be 7 weeks i wish people would agree with me on this more often. the manager quality was maybe better than I expected / some of the 'underdogs' performed but it definitely should've still been 6. hoping the same mistake isn't commited next year! as for the tiers, I think RBY and GSC are fair to include now lol. to be honest I'd rather have those in a non-flex tour still but was competitive enough I would say. this talk can go deep later anyway.
to the delcatties and other teams, i hope you had fun. diego you'll get your team tour ring eventually. i know how it sucks to lose on finals but I think you can be proud of your overall individual run, and try to look at the positives of the overall tournament experience. I appreciate everyone who took their time to make the tournament more enjoyable be it by just yapping in cord or whatever else, special s/o lettuce for the PRs, i think you can say you were right? :D
to be honest, I think ZU right now is in a weird spot with some of the recent happenings, i do disagree with how some stuff was handled (not everything) and been like that for a while, part of why i left staff although i just wanted to not have obligations too. I hope it will improve and thrive as a community though! anyway, expect maybe the biggest oras zu post ever to be live soon, but not so soon i really don't feel like writing or thinking about mons seriously for a while, o/.
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im 0-3 vs ur teams in zu teamtour finals now, so if u were considering having a bad zupl id appreciate it so i have a shot lolAnyways I wanted to go back through what I predicted in my PRs so i can improve for next time and issue apologies where needed, mostly to steppy and the tombs. I expected to be a lot less accurate than I was, and I did get the not-my-team winner right.
Original Prediction: 6/7
Actual Position: 7/7
Predicted Strengths - SM, ADV, RBY, SS, SV1
Predicted Weaknesses - GSC, ORAS, SV2
They went positive in SS and ADV, and their next best was... Lyra in GSC, who went 2-3. Combined with a 3-11 SV, you can see what happened here. I definitely though they were going to do a little better, but I also overpredicted their SV.
Actual Position: 7/7
Predicted Strengths - SM, ADV, RBY, SS, SV1
Predicted Weaknesses - GSC, ORAS, SV2
They went positive in SS and ADV, and their next best was... Lyra in GSC, who went 2-3. Combined with a 3-11 SV, you can see what happened here. I definitely though they were going to do a little better, but I also overpredicted their SV.
OG Prediction: 2/7
Actual place: 6/7
OG Ws - DPP, SV1, SS, BW
OG Ls - GSC, ORAS
Well guess who lost to their ORAS (me). ORAS was one of their better spots, ending up 3-3. Their RBY was good and their SS was also good, but that's the last tier they ended positive in. I still stand by saying they had good playoff odds.
Actual place: 6/7
OG Ws - DPP, SV1, SS, BW
OG Ls - GSC, ORAS
Well guess who lost to their ORAS (me). ORAS was one of their better spots, ending up 3-3. Their RBY was good and their SS was also good, but that's the last tier they ended positive in. I still stand by saying they had good playoff odds.
OG Prediction: 5/7
Place: 5/7
Predicted Ws - SS, ORAS, SV1, SM, GSC
Predicted Ls - whichever of ADV, RBY, BW, DPP Zpice isn't playing
Hey I got this one right mostly! SM/GSC/SV1 were pretty consistently winning for this team, and most of their other slots went even. I kinda had no idea where to rate Greybaum on this team in my original predicts. I thought he'd play in their SS, and he didn't. All of their other tiers were about even on the sheet.
Place: 5/7
Predicted Ws - SS, ORAS, SV1, SM, GSC
Predicted Ls - whichever of ADV, RBY, BW, DPP Zpice isn't playing
Hey I got this one right mostly! SM/GSC/SV1 were pretty consistently winning for this team, and most of their other slots went even. I kinda had no idea where to rate Greybaum on this team in my original predicts. I thought he'd play in their SS, and he didn't. All of their other tiers were about even on the sheet.
Predicted spot: 3/7
Actual Spot: 4/7
Predicted Ws - SV1, SV2, RBY
Predicted Ls - GSC
Can I claim to be correct here? Their SV ended up at an impressive 10-4. I undersold DugZa in ORAS, and I'm not sure why I didn't rate Plague higher even though I was correct in calling DPP a tossup more or less. I thought their RBY was going to be doing a lot better, but I'm going to plead 'SV main doesnt know anything about Gen 1' as my defense. I wasn't sure how Gondra and Beka were going to do, and I went back to reread what I wrote and it was basically 'Tuthur' 20 times. The team didn't have any real low points outside of GSC, which was basically true about everyone lol.
Actual Spot: 4/7
Predicted Ws - SV1, SV2, RBY
Predicted Ls - GSC
Can I claim to be correct here? Their SV ended up at an impressive 10-4. I undersold DugZa in ORAS, and I'm not sure why I didn't rate Plague higher even though I was correct in calling DPP a tossup more or less. I thought their RBY was going to be doing a lot better, but I'm going to plead 'SV main doesnt know anything about Gen 1' as my defense. I wasn't sure how Gondra and Beka were going to do, and I went back to reread what I wrote and it was basically 'Tuthur' 20 times. The team didn't have any real low points outside of GSC, which was basically true about everyone lol.
Predicted: 4/7
Sheet: 2/7
Poffs Result: tied 3rd
Ws - GSC, BW, SV1, SM
Ls - SV2, SS
This team honestly ended up a lot like the Audinos. Both ended up with a stacked SV (10-6 here) and one other carry slot (Tony). I was mostly right about their SS and wrong abt GSC.
Sheet: 2/7
Poffs Result: tied 3rd
Ws - GSC, BW, SV1, SM
Ls - SV2, SS
This team honestly ended up a lot like the Audinos. Both ended up with a stacked SV (10-6 here) and one other carry slot (Tony). I was mostly right about their SS and wrong abt GSC.
Predicted: 7/7
Sheet: 1/7
Playoffs: tied third
Ws - ADV, SM, BW, SV1
Ls - ORAS, RBY, DPP
I was wrong about these guys. In hindsight, I have no idea how i looked at a team with basically 4 Ws a week and ranked them last, but it was the first one i did and i heavily underestimated steppy outside of ADV. They also had an RBY, GSC, and a DD Joe, which realistically was enough to cover every tier solidly. Sorry tombs, I missed here.
Sheet: 1/7
Playoffs: tied third
Ws - ADV, SM, BW, SV1
Ls - ORAS, RBY, DPP
I was wrong about these guys. In hindsight, I have no idea how i looked at a team with basically 4 Ws a week and ranked them last, but it was the first one i did and i heavily underestimated steppy outside of ADV. They also had an RBY, GSC, and a DD Joe, which realistically was enough to cover every tier solidly. Sorry tombs, I missed here.
Predicted: 1/7
Sheet: 3/7
Playoffs: Won
Ws - ORAS, ADV, SV1, whatever is flexed into them
Ls - GSC
Man I kinda pulled a copout in these predicts, but i see why. I think I put GSC as an L just to have one week point, because if I didnt, they had good coverage for every tier. I underestimated Chungler GSC, and the rest of the GSC pool was topheavy enough for them to actually flex GSC into some of the teams with a weaker gsc (which was half of them) even though I predicted the opposite. I could've called skrimps BW as a W slot (and the rest of the tiers lol) but I saw this team taking advantage of the flex slot format and covering players more than tiers, and I think they did just that.
Sheet: 3/7
Playoffs: Won
Ws - ORAS, ADV, SV1, whatever is flexed into them
Ls - GSC
Man I kinda pulled a copout in these predicts, but i see why. I think I put GSC as an L just to have one week point, because if I didnt, they had good coverage for every tier. I underestimated Chungler GSC, and the rest of the GSC pool was topheavy enough for them to actually flex GSC into some of the teams with a weaker gsc (which was half of them) even though I predicted the opposite. I could've called skrimps BW as a W slot (and the rest of the tiers lol) but I saw this team taking advantage of the flex slot format and covering players more than tiers, and I think they did just that.
You obviously don't predict your own team, because you have to believe every slot is going 7-0. I had fun this tour, mb for not winning any games or locking in harder, and i hope I did enough support-wise. shoutouts to diego sk beavs terra who i interacted with the most, and s/o the rest of the delcatties for putting up amazing records even if i didnt interact with u much.
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