They turned this shit into a living tombstone song dawg this is ADVANCED soul extraction
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They turned this shit into a living tombstone song dawg this is ADVANCED soul extraction
FML my new phone has no fucking headphone jack and only works with Bluetooth. I think it's only fair we find the executive who ordered this and remove their mailbox.
I was at a UFO-cult meeting yesterday after a hot girl invited me to it
it was honestly pretty boring after half an hour. It was almost just people like me, who were curious about the insanity, and some old folks that didn't have any other societal group. I found it interesting that some of their observations were very appropriate, like they realized the issues in materialism and saw how almost all religions are waiting for a savior figure instead of being proactive, but the conclusions they jump to from there were odd. Space guys that want to save us and nuclear radiation that commits spiritual destruction or something
I couldn't even the hot girl out because she fell asleep during the show and was too tired for drinks after. But I brought her home and we talked nice. So I guess it was a good night
it was honestly pretty boring after half an hour. It was almost just people like me, who were curious about the insanity, and some old folks that didn't have any other societal group. I found it interesting that some of their observations were very appropriate, like they realized the issues in materialism and saw how almost all religions are waiting for a savior figure instead of being proactive, but the conclusions they jump to from there were odd. Space guys that want to save us and nuclear radiation that commits spiritual destruction or something
I couldn't even the hot girl out because she fell asleep during the show and was too tired for drinks after. But I brought her home and we talked nice. So I guess it was a good night
I want a UFO, did you get one?
no :(
I saw a UFO once but then I identified it. Thus deleting the UFO from existence with my mind.
I saw a commercial that said “forget everything you know about slip covers”
So I did, and it was a load off my mind
But then the commercial tried to sell me slip covers and I didn’t know what the hell they were
I don't know what slip covers are
You must've seen the same commercial
This post reminded me of Mitch Hedberg, which made me happy, which gets you a pass for stealing this bit from Mitch Hedberg.
I used to steal bits from Mitch Hedberg. I still do, but I used to too
semi-serious complaint: the amount of name-calling and generally poor argument etiquette in political discussion online. I get that the anonymity of online spaces makes it hard to keep this stuff out of any discussion, but c'mon. You can make the absolute most perfect argument, but if you're continually stereotyping and insulting the people who disagree with you during it, it makes it hard for me to take you seriously. Even if you completely hate the other side - even if you're arguing with a Nazi - it doesn't make your argument any more credible to insult them. I feel like everybody's trying to achieve the next 'have you no sense of decency?' at the cost of nipping any productive discussion that could've been produced in the bud. Doubly so for stereotyping - not only is it completely unfounded speculation, but it actually gives their argument more credibility if they can prove you're wrong. Also, I get that not every argument can or even should cite a source for every claim. But if you're basing your whole argument on something you can't prove, then it's a bad argument, no ifs, ands, or buts.
This is not an invitation for political discussion in this thread. I'm just so tired of seeing this.
This is not an invitation for political discussion in this thread. I'm just so tired of seeing this.
Surprisingly enough, arguing with a Naziist and not insulting them makes their argument more credible. It implies they are a legitimate discussant who should be engaged and taken seriously. They aren't. Racism isn't a real political ideology, and Naziism isn't either.
That's because Naziism is about emotional highs and personal greed, not actual policies and positions and arguments. This is why they constantly are "hypocritical" and break and ignore their own "rules" and "principles." I put hypocritical in quotes because that word implies they care about the rules they break. The rules are always smokescreens and fillers, so they don't really compromise the purposes of Naziism by breaking them. (If anything, breaking their own "rules" gives them emotional highs of screwing with their adversaries, who do care about rules.)
Taking a Naziist seriously gives them a platform to peddle their snake oil to the audience – they do not want productive discussion and will sabotage it. The types of people who use and care about logical politics tend to not become Nazis, anyway, so calling out the lack of logic rarely matters to Nazis themselves (they're here for emotions and money, not logic) or the audience (the people who use and care about logic already know Naziism is bunk, you're preaching to the choir). Instead, Nazis should just be removed from the area.
My argument here applies in varying amounts to other so-called "opinions" and "ideologies" besides literal Naziism.
That's because Naziism is about emotional highs and personal greed, not actual policies and positions and arguments. This is why they constantly are "hypocritical" and break and ignore their own "rules" and "principles." I put hypocritical in quotes because that word implies they care about the rules they break. The rules are always smokescreens and fillers, so they don't really compromise the purposes of Naziism by breaking them. (If anything, breaking their own "rules" gives them emotional highs of screwing with their adversaries, who do care about rules.)
Taking a Naziist seriously gives them a platform to peddle their snake oil to the audience – they do not want productive discussion and will sabotage it. The types of people who use and care about logical politics tend to not become Nazis, anyway, so calling out the lack of logic rarely matters to Nazis themselves (they're here for emotions and money, not logic) or the audience (the people who use and care about logic already know Naziism is bunk, you're preaching to the choir). Instead, Nazis should just be removed from the area.
My argument here applies in varying amounts to other so-called "opinions" and "ideologies" besides literal Naziism.
It's so depressing sometimes. A month ago someone threatened to report bomb one of my socials unless I told them what being trans is like and how I'm valid. It took well over an hour, exhausting to say the least arguing with someone against my will over something I couldn't change their mind on. I wish people could see past the distrust and lack of understanding they harbor and simply accept each other as we present ourselves.
Bomb a social???? Are you dealing with terrorists????
Political discourse is something I've been thinking on a lot personally. I think the main issue with it is tribalism which expresses itself in several ways
it's often not really about the politics themselves and rather about the group that they belong to. so it's not about productive discussion or coming to new conclusions or a consent (not a compromise, compromises are bad), but rather about showing the other side that you're better or that they're worse. so it's no longer discussion, but debate, which sucks because a debate doesn't go anywhere. when you talk with a person and expect one of you two to "win", then you both lost before you even started (unless you're Zizek and Peterson who sold tickets to their public debate and made like a trillion bucks)
I think this tribalism comes from the fact that nowadays, more people are displaced and lost then ever before in history. When you have no real community, you want some kind of belonging and feeling of importance. This lack of community also makes it very hard to establish a clear identity, the image you have of yourself becomes bound to opinions, which makes them unshakable and every attack on your opinions are understood as an attack on yourself
also, I think many people are very hung up on the format of political discourse rather than it's content. "wow they talked so nice" and "they respected each other's opinions", ok, and? did it get somewhere? Anyone can be polite, don't mean that they're decent or smart or anything. I was a few months ago at an open discussion about Israelis in political sciences and how to deal with the zionism that they often express and push (but interestingly also oftentimes very much condemn, Jewish political scientists are seemingly split on Israel). The first half hour was wasted by a guy shouting constantly about how he was upset how the open discussion was promoted through a poster that contained Israeli and Palestinian imagery and how this was ragebait and how this discussion isn't moderated very well and and and
when the actual matters were discussed, he was entirely quiet. He had no opinions to share, he was only there to appear smart
on the positive though: I have a friend who was transphobic, but rather through misinformation (like 99% of transphobes). He thought they had some agenda of denying biological sex and feeding children hrt against their will and the whole 9 yards. When I told him what I heard from trans people, that it's rather a desire to be treated as the identified gender by society, he became significantly more open. I linked him some videos and literature I engaged with made by trans people explaining their position and gender dysphoria, and now he's an ally with trans friends. so political discourse can get somewhere when people are willing to accept their ignorance and willing to engage with other views
it's often not really about the politics themselves and rather about the group that they belong to. so it's not about productive discussion or coming to new conclusions or a consent (not a compromise, compromises are bad), but rather about showing the other side that you're better or that they're worse. so it's no longer discussion, but debate, which sucks because a debate doesn't go anywhere. when you talk with a person and expect one of you two to "win", then you both lost before you even started (unless you're Zizek and Peterson who sold tickets to their public debate and made like a trillion bucks)
I think this tribalism comes from the fact that nowadays, more people are displaced and lost then ever before in history. When you have no real community, you want some kind of belonging and feeling of importance. This lack of community also makes it very hard to establish a clear identity, the image you have of yourself becomes bound to opinions, which makes them unshakable and every attack on your opinions are understood as an attack on yourself
yeah but if they get insulted, they also get legitimized by displaying an enemy and the behavior of their enemy. That's what makes fascism (and other, related ideologies rooted in a form of violence) the ultimate ideology: you can never really beat it. The moment you fight it, it wins. It's a disease that spreads through every interaction with it. Maybe ignoring it is the only way to beat it, but it could obviously just spread unchecked this way
also, I think many people are very hung up on the format of political discourse rather than it's content. "wow they talked so nice" and "they respected each other's opinions", ok, and? did it get somewhere? Anyone can be polite, don't mean that they're decent or smart or anything. I was a few months ago at an open discussion about Israelis in political sciences and how to deal with the zionism that they often express and push (but interestingly also oftentimes very much condemn, Jewish political scientists are seemingly split on Israel). The first half hour was wasted by a guy shouting constantly about how he was upset how the open discussion was promoted through a poster that contained Israeli and Palestinian imagery and how this was ragebait and how this discussion isn't moderated very well and and and
when the actual matters were discussed, he was entirely quiet. He had no opinions to share, he was only there to appear smart
on the positive though: I have a friend who was transphobic, but rather through misinformation (like 99% of transphobes). He thought they had some agenda of denying biological sex and feeding children hrt against their will and the whole 9 yards. When I told him what I heard from trans people, that it's rather a desire to be treated as the identified gender by society, he became significantly more open. I linked him some videos and literature I engaged with made by trans people explaining their position and gender dysphoria, and now he's an ally with trans friends. so political discourse can get somewhere when people are willing to accept their ignorance and willing to engage with other views
So at what point do videos like this stop being fun little fan pitches/april fools' bits and start being kind of asshole moves
I remember thinking the same thing a few AFs back when someone made a waaaay too elaborate fake preview for an IDW Jet Set Radio comic series. If I were a Super Paper Mario lover and watched this without realizing it's fake until the end I think I'd be at least a little pissed at being led on so hard with the promise of seeing my favorite game's story and gameplay being expanded on
As a Super Paper Mario lover, after spending shockingly long meditating on this video, I'm unsure if it's a terrible idea made by a person who doesn't understand Super Paper Mario at all, or a genius master stroke sneak surprise attack made by someone who understands it incisively well. (If this subversion angle is the point, it has some flavor of Jacob Geller's great Dark Souls 3 video, without feeling derivative to that.) I can't remember the last time I've been this diametrically conflicted in an interpretation before.
For the actual point, "So at what point do pranks stop being fun and end up being asshole moves?" I don't think "When some people in the boundless vast internet get a little pissed" is it. It's just impossible to perfectly curate to that level I think, and "Not more Content™" isn't the worst problem and all.
Also just like, by the time someone who understands SPM has worked through the possible angle of subtle genius to think this pitch is good and not bad, judging by how long it took me, they probably will have long figured out this isn't real. If someone misunderstands SPM enough to immediately praise that the (seemingly?) garish reference bait and "Somehow Palpatine returned!" levels of retcon, so they immediately fall in love without thinking it through and are immediately disappointed by it being fake... I don't feel that bad for them. They probably have a surface-level relationship with the game, so they can emotionally bear the sting of a fake-out in this surface-level dimension.
For the actual point, "So at what point do pranks stop being fun and end up being asshole moves?" I don't think "When some people in the boundless vast internet get a little pissed" is it. It's just impossible to perfectly curate to that level I think, and "Not more Content™" isn't the worst problem and all.
Also just like, by the time someone who understands SPM has worked through the possible angle of subtle genius to think this pitch is good and not bad, judging by how long it took me, they probably will have long figured out this isn't real. If someone misunderstands SPM enough to immediately praise that the (seemingly?) garish reference bait and "Somehow Palpatine returned!" levels of retcon, so they immediately fall in love without thinking it through and are immediately disappointed by it being fake... I don't feel that bad for them. They probably have a surface-level relationship with the game, so they can emotionally bear the sting of a fake-out in this surface-level dimension.
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the real fucked up gaming april fools prank would be announcing a pc bloodborne port
actually, this reminds me of an april fools prank where someone made a fake character select screen for a nonexistent melty blood game (this was ~2015 so not only was it around the time for a new one to turn up there was basically radio silence from frenchbread on the topic since they were "working on under night" or something stupid like that.)
i can't be bothered to find the actual picture right now so you're gonna have to trust me on this one but there were some characters included that i thought would be cool:
Fake Shiki (Kagetsu Tohya)
his gimmick is literally just being a serial killer that looks like a different completely unrelated serial killer. i dont even know what his moveset would be but they gave "satsuki yumizuka" a whole ass reality marble in actress again so it could have been something cool.
SHIKI Tohno (Tsukihime)
not to be mistaken for Shiki Tohno or Shiki Nanaya or Shiki Ryougi or fucking Dino-Shiki apparently god i hat e this franchise
in the visual novel he controls his own blood as an attack. so he's like carmine from under night basically (looking back on it that might be part of why people thought this was real)
Included in the character list is an unnamed black haired girl that i can only assume is ciel while she was posessed by roa. which seems cool but ciel didn't become a church executor until after roa "dies" so it would have just wound up being roa with boobs ig
still sucks that we didn't get it especially considering type-lumina is basically just reskinned under-night with a bunch of fate grand order character. and they got rid of arcueids granny skirt too wtf
actually, this reminds me of an april fools prank where someone made a fake character select screen for a nonexistent melty blood game (this was ~2015 so not only was it around the time for a new one to turn up there was basically radio silence from frenchbread on the topic since they were "working on under night" or something stupid like that.)
i can't be bothered to find the actual picture right now so you're gonna have to trust me on this one but there were some characters included that i thought would be cool:
Fake Shiki (Kagetsu Tohya)
his gimmick is literally just being a serial killer that looks like a different completely unrelated serial killer. i dont even know what his moveset would be but they gave "satsuki yumizuka" a whole ass reality marble in actress again so it could have been something cool.
SHIKI Tohno (Tsukihime)
not to be mistaken for Shiki Tohno or Shiki Nanaya or Shiki Ryougi or fucking Dino-Shiki apparently god i hat e this franchise
in the visual novel he controls his own blood as an attack. so he's like carmine from under night basically (looking back on it that might be part of why people thought this was real)
Included in the character list is an unnamed black haired girl that i can only assume is ciel while she was posessed by roa. which seems cool but ciel didn't become a church executor until after roa "dies" so it would have just wound up being roa with boobs ig
still sucks that we didn't get it especially considering type-lumina is basically just reskinned under-night with a bunch of fate grand order character. and they got rid of arcueids granny skirt too wtf
hobbies are so cool because you can be really mid at these things and people will still be impressed
"oh wow you lumberjack" when I am absolutely dogshit with the chainsaw and mostly just carry logs
"damn you're such a good painter" as I show my nature painting where I just blotched on green paints for grass
"you're such a good musician" bitch I am just arranging the chords I know willy-nilly
like fr. 5-10 hours of moderate effort in any area and you're considered a chad within it to the uninitiated
"oh wow you lumberjack" when I am absolutely dogshit with the chainsaw and mostly just carry logs
"damn you're such a good painter" as I show my nature painting where I just blotched on green paints for grass
"you're such a good musician" bitch I am just arranging the chords I know willy-nilly
like fr. 5-10 hours of moderate effort in any area and you're considered a chad within it to the uninitiated