Pokémon Champions - releasing April 8, 2026

As a chronic Mega Scov player, glad to see Scov currently vibing on the early Champions VGC ladder.
 

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CynicalGiant said:
we don't afaik and I very much hope they don't let it keep it, like how they didn't let greninja keep nasty plot or gengar encore.

I don't remember when they gave metagross psychic fangs, that's another buff it got inbetween being a meta and megas going away, but it having it is probably not as big of a deal as heavy slam is.
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Metagross got both Heavy Slam and Psychic Fangs in SV
 
mattgcn said:
It would be funny if they decided to give all the things that haven't had Roost since USUM Roost back for Champions. Some of them at least still had it in BDSP!

My Big Dumb Chart (linked in signature) has historical learnsets that I can't wait to compare with however the hell these things will be formatted for Champions. I wonder if they'll just omit low power moves with little utility (Embers et al) for simplicity
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The early footages showed Greninja being able to learn Dive. The last time it could learn that move in-game was ORAS lol
 
Worldie said:
I'm pretty confident mega Metagross getting Heavy Slam would be the least of your issues... considering its vulnerability to Incineroar (it loses Clear Body on mega, remember it) it's already set on a poor start as a physical attacker in VGC metas.
Mega Metagross is definitely no longer the top dog of megas either, there's a lot of other strong ones now.

Look, Mega Meganium is fine even if one more mon can KO it. Pretty much anything with a poison attack can already, one more isn't going to change much.
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Back in SM, Mega Metagross was one of the best VGC Megas with just Iron Head and Zen Headbutt as its best STABs. Heavy Slam is essentially as strong after Intimidate as Iron Head is normally, and is almost as strong as Meteor Mash after a +1 boost, but also not having shitty accuracy.
Even after an Intimidate drop, it’s doing insane damage anyways.
-1 252 Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 244 HP / 44 Def Hatterene: 192-228 (117.7 - 139.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Zacian-Crowned Behemoth Blade vs. 244 HP / 44 Def Hatterene: 188-224 (115.3 - 137.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
You are hitting harder than a Zacian-Crowned after an intimidate (assuming Zacian wasn’t forced out before and then wasn’t intimidated again).
 
What’s sad about Heavy Slam Metagross is that it benefits so much from how messed up Pomemon weights are.

Mega Metagross being more than 4x heavier than Tyranitar is so unfortunate(100 BP Heavy Spam). Wish we lived in a world where it’s slightly less than 3x heavier than Tyranitar (60 BP Heavy Slam).
 
MC Squared said:
That's win rate too, not usage rate. So Mega Scovillain is winning 75% of its matches
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Counterpoint: it's also being used extremely little, and mostly by very competent players who have theorycrafted the shit out of it against players who have no idea of what it does, so it's winrate is significantly skewed to the point it's not believable.

:wo:


Look guys, you can't go "it's a early meta so the data isn't relevant" and then pull early data when it's convenient. It's either valid or not.
 
Worldie said:
Probably the same it has always done in VGC: it's the best rage powder + spor... well... sleep powder users when Amoongus isn't available.

Heck people were using Butterfree for this at start of SwSh. Rage Powder + sleep is just that good of a combo, enough to justify an otherwise terrible mon.
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Compound Eyes is that good
 
Worldie said:
Counterpoint: it's also being used extremely little, and mostly by very competent players who have theorycrafted the shit out of it against players who have no idea of what it does, so it's winrate is significantly skewed to the point it's not believable.

:wo:


Look guys, you can't go "it's a early meta so the data isn't relevant" and then pull early data when it's convenient. It's either valid or not.
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Yeah Mega Scov is like the epitome of a C-Tier mega for VGC. It’s something you have to build an entire team around to get any value, and it’s something people are really only going to do if they really want to capitalize on the playstyle Scovillain facillitates. It’s not going to naturally slot into an existing team to fill holes.
 
RoyalDispenser said:
… and what does vivillon do in champions VGC?
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Spam high accuracy Sleep Powders. Nearly being Spore accurate while substancially faster than every Spore user excluding the one that has an ability that causes it to go last anyways. On top of its STABs threatening Grass types that are otherwise immune to powder moves.
Its drawback being that its a route one shitmon with no stats.
 
it's worth mentioning that the move Powder has also seen some use in VGC, however it was removed in Sword and Shield and didn't return so the jury is out on whether it'll return in Champions. Of course, it was also at a time when Heatran was a meta staple rather than a shitmon.
 
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Supreme Dirt said:
it's worth mentioning that the move Powder has also seen some use in VGC, however it was removed in Sword and Shield and didn't return so the jury is out on whether it'll return in Champions. Of course, it was also at a time when Heatran was a meta staple rather than a shitmon.
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I am going to go absolutely nuclear (positive) if a single "snapped" move shows up
 
Worldie said:
Probably the same it has always done in VGC: it's the best rage powder + spor... well... sleep powder users when Amoongus isn't available.

Heck people were using Butterfree for this at start of SwSh. Rage Powder + sleep is just that good of a combo, enough to justify an otherwise terrible mon.
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ive already locked in my first team as some dumb baton pass shit but vivillion is coming to team #2 for sure

im trying to take champions more casually and play a lot of unranked probs
 
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