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  • Hydrametr0nice
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    However, the sentence on Bulbapedia makes it sound like the Persim Berry would prevent confusion before Own Tempo does, wasting your item.
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    wasting your item in all situations.
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    It's not the berry that activates first, the ability is simply disabled.
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    > However, the sentence on Bulbapedia makes it sound like the Persim Berry would prevent confusion before Own Tempo does, wasting your item.
    The sentence specifies when the Pokémon has the confusion status, not when the Pokémon would be afflicted by an effect that inflicts confusion. Own Tempo prevents the Pokémon becoming confused in the first place, so normally which of the Persim Berry and Own Tempo activate first isn't relevant at all. I don't think your interpretation is consistent with the text of the sentence, although I can understand why it would be confusing.

    > It's not the berry that activates first, the ability is simply disabled.
    This however is a good point. The other obvious way to have a Pokémon with both Own Tempo and a Persim Berry become confused is to Baton Pass it confusion, but there's a whole separate bug where Own Tempo doesn't activate when a Pokémon is Baton Passed confusion.

    Instead, I tried Skill Swapping Own Tempo onto a confused Pokémon with Klutz holding a Persim Berry. In that case, Own Tempo does activate first, so the Mold Breaker case does appear to be due to Mold Breaker disabling Own Tempo. (This test was done in Gen 5.)

    Similarly, as you suggested, other status condition Abilities like Water Veil and Limber do work similarly. If you send a paralyzed Pokémon into battle that has Limber and holds a Cheri Berry, Limber will activate first; whereas if you use Mold Breaker Thunder Wave to paralyze a Pokémon with Limber that holds a Cheri Berry, the Cheri Berry activates first because the Ability is disabled.

    Notably, it does work differently in Gen 4, where even Mold Breaker Swagger on an Own Tempo Pokémon holding a Persim Berry will trigger Own Tempo first. But that's due to the new Gen 5 battle engine changing how Mold Breaker works.
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    Hydrametr0nice That one is interesting. I had someone else verify that for me in SV. However, this interaction actually appears to have changed in a patch (I would assume the same one that also made them affected by Neutralizing Gas, which is 3.0.0). Apparently they're also affected by Entrainment and Simple Beam/Worry Seed now.

    Note that the first post on the Smogon SV research thread still says that Protosynthesis and Quark Drive are immune to Gastro Acid, so it's probably worth posting your update there too. (I would, but in this case I didn't do the research myself.)
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    Research Thread 'Scarlet & Violet Battle Mechanics Research'

    Please limit discussion to battle mechanics only!

    Note: Version numbers are used to show that a new version of the games was released between tests within a given list, and that mechanics following the heading were tested using that version, not to imply that those mechanics necessarily changed from a previous version unless otherwise indicated in this or the linked post.

    New Mechanics in Scarlet and Violet

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    • Terastallizing into one of the user's original types makes that STAB 2x (Nails)
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    Ah, it looks like Anubis found that there's an Ability flag table in Gen 9 (rather than these interactions just being hardcoded into the engine like in previous generations). So we do in fact know that the `CantSuppress` flag was changed for Protosynthesis and Quark Drive in 3.0.0
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    Research Post in thread 'Scarlet & Violet Battle Mechanics Research'

    Because of how Gulp Missile can now be Skill Swapped, I looked at where ability flags are handled. Similar to how moves have a table of values and flags, abilities have their own table to control whether they can be copied or replaced. In previous games, this was handled with hard-coded exclusion tables.

    Each ability has 9 flags! Marty and I have identified 8 all of these 9 flags. Flags 1-3 are identical lists, but we tested these by altering the flags in game.

    The flags in order are:
    • DisabledByNeutralizingGas: allows the ability to be suppressed by Neutralizing...
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    Not personally. Bulbapedia user Driftin Soul tested it and mentioned this in the Bulbagarden Discord server. They also found that those two abilities can now be replaced by Lingering Aroma too.
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