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I will ask if Surf for water types count for or against since they don’t learn it naturally but by the time you get most of them you already have it and it is infinite use anyway.

So me having been gone awhile seems to have made me lose a few brain cells and forget that in Cystal, Lugia is post elite 4 and as such pointless to be testing. Guess I am grabbing Suicune to serve a similar point of a very high level but late legend and if the wait was worth it. Certainly will...

The data from Morty to Jasmine. Arcanine is useful for everything except the Poliwrath and has pretty decent coverage. The lack of power outside normal and fire moves will probably cause problems later though. Exeguttor performs fine in most matchups but being relatively slow and grass type...

How it actually works is that they randomly call you and one of 3 things will happen. It is a random call that does nothing, they call to battle or they call to give you the item. They can happen in any order so when doing the Daylight time manipulation save beforehand to reset if they call to...

So to start the observations up to Whitney. Arcanine had a solid growlithe stage with him oddly having lower performance after evolving since Miltank is so strong. Hopefully he performs better in the next gyms since they are either frailer or he hits an elemental weakness. Exeggutor is a...

Well in that case I am going with Cloyster, Arcanine, Exeggutor, with Lugia to be the last slot. Probably will be an apt demonstration on why you don’t load up on a full team of slow exp pokemon but hopefully Lugia not really getting much EXP will alleviate that.

So after various circumstances I am back and willing to do some testing. Unfortunately my last run will be redone later since I saved between the elite 4 and can’t find the data I collected since only Bruno and Lance are not annoying to go through. Will eventually just level up those 4 around...

Chuck to Clair results. Machoke is kinda decent but vital throw is not great stab since you have to eat damage to use it. At least it can’t miss. Hypno is decently bulky but it misses out on KOs with its lack of power. The elite four is gonna be rough with only confusion and the elemental...

So time for thoughts of Whitney through Pryce. Machoke starts strong against whitney then dips to ok against Morty and goes back to almost good against Pryce. Kinda lacking in a good stab move for good damage. I suspect having a Machamp would make Pryce significantly easier. Hypno has a rocky...

I could do those. Might throw Hypno in for testing as my fourth. Means I will speed run to Goldenrod since none of what I am testing shows up before then unless someone suggests a pokemon before then that really needs testing.

So I am done with my break from testing things. I will be testing vaporeon along with any other suggestions.

Time for the elite 4. Tauros, Butterfree, and Lapras is level 39. Nidoqueen is level 40. Did buy carbos for lapras and nidoqueen. Also retaught earthquake to both Nidoqueen and Tauros before each fight to see how useful it would be. Butterfree is near useless in Karen and Lance who are the...

Clair time. Butterfree is nearly dead weight in major fights at this point except for sleep powder cause you do so little damage and take so much back. For perspective it 2HKO with psybeam against a machoke that was level 28 at level 35. So route clearing is also tough. Nidoqueen can put in...

Yeah, from what little I remember most were 2 or higher KOs for each pokemon without a ground or psychic move. Tauros if you are willing to use items is surprisingly decent though since he outspeeds the gengar and it can only hurt him if he is asleep. It is extremely inefficient, but he can win...

Here are the thoughts on the next 4 gym leaders. Butterfree has really fallen off for the last 2 gym leaders. Needing long sleep plus nightmare for damage is extremely luck based. Decent for chuck and Morty though. Nidoqueen does adequate damage and has aceptable performance through this...

so I fucked up and lost my data for the morty fight and I already saved after so either I redo the run or calculate out the likely damage ranges for the pokemon involved. I am wondering which would be preferred.

Yeah that sounds about right. I already taught Butterfree that. That is kinda the problem of basically relying on psychic moves without stab for all your damage. Unfortunately for Tauros I already caught him with a great ball cause he was a bitch to find. Found three Miltanks in a row before he...

Here are the first 3 leaders for Butterfree and Nidoqueen. Butterfree is decent with the combination of sleep powder, confusion and decent speed. He can muscle past things he honestly shouldn't because sleep is op. The lack of stab sucks though. I do foresee some gym leaders to come being...

So I decided on testing Tauros, Lapras, Caterpie, and Nidoran female. Unless someone has a better choice to test I will get started.

Time for the elite 4 plus final thoughts. They all start at level 39. Poliwrath was bad before evolving then was good for a bit then became ok for the elite four. C to B tier for me. Furret had the awkward pre quick attack phase and then is good after evolving until the elite four where the...