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Im getting really surprised and worried as i see more and more people thinking to do nothing is the right choise. I find it obvious that something has to be done, but there is just one good alternative in this thread: alternative 2. Alternative 1 is just ridiculous and im not gonna explain why...

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Wy is the thread going on still? I said for many pages ago that everything has been lade on the table, and already then so many things are discussed over and over again. I havent posted in threads before so i dont know how this is suposed to proceed, but we do need some sort of voting of the...

What u say is true, with the scolipede plus iron defence complex ban - stall will still have a hard time, not as hard, but still too hard. As this would be a too little nerf in ur opinion (mine too) and as banning ingrain also would be to little a nerf, a very good solution to this problem could...

Yeah, well im also starting to feel thats the more popular opinion. If i would rank the 3 things that are possible to happen and good solutions i would rank: 1. Banning scolipede plus iron defence 2. Banning the max amount of baton passers to 4 (3 will make it too weak/fragile) 3. Banning...

This guy talks alot of sence. This is the way to solve the problem so everybody trying to suggest blanket ban or scolipede/espeon ban or magic bounce/speed boost ban should think twice, because that would have consequenses that will not only make bp impossible (except for speed boost ban), but...

Ok, so first of all baton pass will not get a blanket ban, so stop saying that. Also u shudnt compare the rain nerf to this, because the most possible nerf is to limit the amount of baton passers, which restricts baton pass MUCH more than the swift swim and drizzle complex ban did to rain. Then...

I dont like it how you say it takes a bit more skill and is a bit more manageable... becaus it wud take insane skill to succeed with it and it wud be easy to manage. And btw we shud rely stop arguing, because were i dont deny your opinion of limiting the amount off baton passers, as it is very...

Omg man, its pathetic to try to prove your point in 1100 ranked games. And the 24/3 is not as good as u seem to think... Ive got over 20/0 many times w/o using a bp team. And its obvious that it wont be banned and that it will be restricted. So what are you trying to prove? What i was saying was...

Now that what u say at the end, is the sefinition of semi passing. And i am talking about full bp chains being impossible so were talking of different things now. And also what u said about the 1500 ranked players suffering bp, thats not gonna happen as it will be easily countered and a very...

If bp cant manage the top of the ladder it means to me its not a threat, and i know people arent gonna get to rank 1900 with 3 or 4 baton passers. They wont even get close the top ladder, then its absolutely not too op and will only be used in low ranked games...

OK. so i watched the replays and they prove nothing for me yet... When u post instant replays like that u can choose the best ones, and in some of them the player just got extremely lucky and overall all the games arent high ranked games. I mean rank 1700 isnt enough when people are on the top...

Ur making sence, banning a poke is not the solution for this. compless ban or other restriction is, so the guy u quoted was talking sth that simply wont happen... What he means is that baton pass in general will not be played anymore if 3 or even 4 pokes with bp max. The only way it can be...

The problem isnt just stall. Nothing can handle bp rely, if u still wanna have a team that manages other teams.

Seems like the majority of people are set on making a max of baton passers to 3 or 4. Now people are just watching and commenting replays, so whoever starts a voting, should do it now. u wont solve the problem by that. Bp doesnt need ingrain to manage and health can be regained with aqua ring.

Depends on what wants to be done. Looks like most people wanna get rid off bp completely; then it can be maxed to 3 or 4, but the whole playstyle will stop. This would allow semi passing to be done, but nb does it...

I hope u do realize that there is no baton pass when espeon goes...

Ok, so its true that everything has been lade on the table, and voting is now necessary. I think that the only thing from those 3 options that could be considered is making a max number of baton passers in a team, even though i think that is unnecessary. Heres some things that doesnt solve the...

What you say of gen 5 is true, every team was a weather team back then. But they didnt ban using weathers in gen 6 anyway, they restricted it, to a not as dominating part of the game. Because banning magic bounce would do semi passing impossible and stall way too op. I feel like baton pass isnt...

That is the whole point. The point is not to stop baton pass, it has to be done less effective.