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wise words my man, have u considered this kind of analisys on Mmence or Mgross? Slowbro looks dangerous right now but we can't predict all meta changes. About Slack bro, we can trade Cm/Rest/Slptalk to this safe recovery, but now slowbro is vulnerable to toxic/wow/status.

Run PuP, EQ, Waterfall, Ice punch. revenge some moribund poke with PuP and sweep the hell out in rain.

annoying build indeed, but lack of Ddance makes it easyer to bare with an Physical wall that can take Fire.

Mgross will be like -> Metagross ability : Whatever ev's 252 atk, 252 spee Jolly nature - Ice/fire/thunder punch - Zen hedbutt - Meteor mash - Power up punch orrrrrrr Ev's 252 hp, 252 atk - Ice/fire/thunder punch - Zen hedbutt - Meteor mash - Agility

top 3 is hard to predict, but i can certanly assure you that Salamance Intimidate Salamencite - Ddance - Roost - Dragon claw - Double Edge 152 atk, 248 hp, 108 sdef/spe will be quite effective.

imma try all attacker max atk spe Mgross like SilverPt suggested. also, since i can't use aegislash as an example, what do you guys think of Mloppuny Fake-Out/Encore supporter? it can counter some SR/toxic/WoW setuper etc... Ps: just noticed that New mega data is already at Showdown servers.

maybe, but sadly Mgross don't have any recovery moves to continue to setup (maybe rest?). A chansey switch in can be pretty awesome, u can PuP the hell out of her or the player switchs out and u have +1 for free.

Mgross ---> Sure it has some awesome stats but no reliable setups (agility/meteor mash). It can switch in easily with it's typing but for 1 agility setup and praying for meteor mash to proc. And there is the coverage problem, if u burn 1 slot with agility to setup u have 3 slots left...

What do you guys think of Mmetagross? Sure it has some awesome stats but no reliable setups (agility/meteor mash). It can switch in easily with it's typing but for 1 agility setup and praying for meteor mash to proc. And there is te coverage problem, if u burn 1 slot with agility to setup u have...

"if things goes this way smogon will probly have to create another tier, kind of a Ou/Uber Bl with some Banned megas. I personally hope they do so." my message was removed, i don't see why, i'm not being smogon hater. I honestly think that a lot of new megas will disbalance Ou metagame and...

i'm more curious about the possibility of uber Mmons back in Ou then the new megas. Maybe the shift in meta permits Mlucario/Mmawile (i'm hoping for new megas yet to come in ORAS, have this in mind). What do you guys think? this mons and tutors etc can make Mlucario/aegislash/Mmawile (maybe even...

yeah i saw that later, but gamexplain made an interview today! (altought they didn't said anything about new megas). PLOX MEGA FLYGON T-T ----> Mswampert moveset suggestions?

meh, without Rain support team? i higly doubt it. I'll possibly run Politoed + kingdra + ferrothorn + swampert as core of a rain team.

Wow, pretty good bro, i got little desapointed cause he don't learn DDance =/

Can we discuss Msceptile Mixed build? i'm tired of spectulating about Mmence.

Well bro, that is the problem with determining what is good or not before the actual game. niche? u have to reconsider what a "META" is. this can be niche in this meta, but we cannot predict what will rise after ORAS (mandibuzz was hyper niche before the beggining of XY). secondly, fake out...

I think u guys are misunderstanding me, i didn't said Mmence WILL BE OU, i didn't said either that there's no possibility that he is broken, nor do i said that in any case Mmence will be no toxic for the meta and it's okay to be in Ou cause of some counters. All of my arguments so far were...

252 SpA Aerilate Salamence Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Slowbro: 165-195 (41.8 - 49.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO well, i prefer not to invest Ev's in Slowbro huge defende, if u do it's up to u bro D; O.o

252 SpA Salamence Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 240 SpD Aggron: 124-147 (36 - 42.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 0 Atk Aggron Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Salamence: 188-224 (56.7 - 67.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +2 252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 16+ Def Aggron: 69-81 (20 - 23.5%) -- guaranteed 5HKO...

All my posts till now were showing how Mence isn't that broke, Jolly Weavile is just another option, and yes, u can switch out but u'll loose momentum and risk another Sr layer on field. Mence is a long discussion IMO, u can check all of my other posts if u want (or suggest a broken build to...