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I find that waterium Z on Gren is a bit of a waste for your Z-Move slot. A Specs hydro pump does nearly the same amount of damage, especially on neutral and resisted hits. I'm sure the factor of being able to switch moves may net you a surprise KO, but if you pop the Z and don't get that KO...

Your team looks fun to play with. Ice is such a good STAB in this meta. This may be a silly suggestion, but have you thought about replacing Giga Drain with Rock Slide on Abomasnow? Scarf Kartana is faster than an adamant Swampert under rain, which is the nature most people run, therefore...

Something I've noticed is that your team lacks a Choice Scarf user, which is almost mandatory these days. While both Weavile and Tornadus are naturally fast, they are not faster than most Choice Scarf users. I have an idea for an answer to this, while still maintaining the backbone of the team...

Thank you for the input. I really like that idea. The only issue I see is how this would affect the Garchomp and Gliscor matchup. Garchomp could be chipped throughout the game like Lando, but Gliscor could pose a serious problem to my team with its reliable recovery. A possible answer would be...

Kartana is my favorite Pokemon of generation 7. I try to find a way to include it into most every team build. This team in particular is focused on Kartana. It is built around eliminating/weakening scarf Kartana's counters and checks, allowing it to sweep late game. Usually if the opponent's...

So Kartana is probably my favorite Pokémon of this gen. I’ve always been a sucker for the glass cannons. I’ve been building teams around it lately. I feel like i’m struggling though, and I can’t tell if it’s just me unable to play well or the team. Any input is appreciated. Kartana @ Choice...

Again, just bad is not an argument. At least other people are giving reasons. And Forretress switches into several physical attackers. With only one weakness and a 140 Def stat, i don't see how you can make the argument that it can't switch in. Just because it can't attack back doesn't mean it...

My Bad, Overheat. Forretress is just not good isn't exactly a point.

Forretress is never my counter to anything. Just there for team support with spin/rocks/vswitch. You volt switch to anything thats faster and has coverage. Mega Manectric can OHKO megagross with heatwave. Just one example

Forretress comes in on Megagross, and slow switches a more favorable matchup in... if it has too. (look at the calcs though, without hammer arm, megagross isn't hurting forretress too much. Even with, it's a 4HKO, meaning a -4 speed Megagross) Why would you switch Forretress into Latias...

Forretress needs more team support than Starmie and Excadrill, but at the same time, he provides more team support as well. Forretress is there to spin, and get out. Set rocks and get out. Take a hit and get out. He's not there to fight anybody. As for going on a Hyper offense team, Poek97, his...

So Forretress has counters... several. That doesn't mean he can't spin well, or set rocks ever. Most of the time I use volt switch before doing anything because people always come in with a Forretress counter. As for Gliscor and other ground types like Excadril, Forretress is SOL, but besides...

I get your point about M-Alt + Magnezone, I deal with that all the time. Volt Switch excapes the magnet pull, but if i don't use it on the switch in, i'll die anyways. As for set up mons, that's why you volt switch into a favorable position. I never claimed Forretress would be taking down...

I included calcs in the original post, not comparing him to skarm though. His advantage over skarm is volt switch. And of course the other poke can switch, but they have to switch back in eventually, and will be worn down in the process. You could make the switching out argument about any...

D rank is what I was shooting for. I'm not saying Forretress excels in any one category, but as a whole, he deserves to be considered viable

So it's physical bulk means nothing? Its ability switch into almost every physical attacker and then bring in a pokemon that can counter it means nothing? How is it unviable as a spinner when Tentacruel is just as passive?

See how you just said Starmie and Excadrill outclass it as spinners, and Skarm and Chomp outclass it as setters, and it has superior pivoters as well... Kinda my point, no poke can do all three. Forretress covers several bases with one pokemon, and the volt switch is less about chip damage, and...

I tried to skim through to make sure this poke hadn't already been discussed or blacklisted, but 103 pages is a lot to go through, so I may have missed it. I'd like to bring Forretress up for discussion for a potential D rank. Snapple (Forretress) (F) @ Leftovers Ability: Overcoat Shiny: Yes...