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As me and many other people have said before, most tiering suggestions regarding mola stem from skill issue. There is SO MUCH counterplay to a mola flip turn, not just waterpon. Waterpon just happens to be the most punishing example since a busted wallbreaker gets to come in for absolutely free...

Lots of hot takes here but I will only comment on the main points: :alomomola: Pivoting is an essential part of modern pokemon and having a reliable defensive pivot which can do its job multiple times is critical for a healthy meta, as the stuff it enables is usually the sub optimal or niche...

While I do NOT believe that lokix is viable in natdex, I have to criticise some of your arguments for the sake of better understanding the meta and how mons like lokix can be built to work (even though it is an uphill battle). 1. Lokix is not hardwalled by lando. Nothing is hardwalled by lando...

As a fellow lokix enjoyer, I will be honest and say there is nothing for this mon in natdex. Without tera bug (especially for a jolly set) it struggles to ko offensive threats, even with how broken tinted lens is and how good its moves are for abusing it. With tera bug you used to be able to...

Seeing as wellspring isn’t going anywhere and in order to get back to the usual meta ideas, I strongly recommend everyone to give :beedrill-mega: a try. Y’all called it a shitmon before, but I have been doing quite well with it so hear me out. It has one very very important niche: OHKOing...

Half agreed, the meta does have ample space for creativity with many archetypes, its just that they have to work extra in the builder to beat the dominant HO, and they usually have to make do with “I beat X sweeper mon except for Y set/coverage”, which is literally the opposite of how a healthy...

I am very surprised by the suspect result. I guess the (not) majority wants the meta to be autopilot HO. Seriously though, waterpon both enables HO to break bulkier builds and is severely countered by HO, which is imo the definition of over centralizing. But we are past that discussion. Now...

So I got my reqs, using balance not some autopilot HO. Here is my experience and my thoughts about waterpon: I ran a mbeedrill team and had the following tools vs waterpon: 1. Zapdos, a check thrown around quite a lot in this thread 2. Specs kyurem, which can eat any unboosted hit and ohko...

First of all please use some periods (“.”), my brain ran out of breath reading that. Now getting to the point, I dont think that their offensive combo is a reason for or against a waterpon ban. I would argue that its combos with mons like mttar, tornT, flyZ lando, and zama are more relevant...

Did not finish reqs yet, but I will be voting ban on this. Why? Let’s compare :ogerpon-wellspring: to :diancie-mega: , one of the best wallbreakers in the tier and a top tier mon overall. Similarities: Same speed tier, similar raw power and near unwallable offensive presence, good stab combo...

Realised I forgot to mention volcarona :volcarona: 3, could be a 4 Cant say I enjoy this thing right now with its new but old sub swarm bug Z set. It is quite hard to answer and position against unless you have the specific counters from the builder. Status? Sub solves that. Whirlwind? Only...

I have absolutely 0 idea why we are considering :alomomola: for tiering action. This is the mon holding the tier together (especially with its av set) while doing pretty much nothing by itself. Also it particularly enables interesting but not broken mons like mttar or ursaluna and there is no...

Alright I am gonna revive this thread with some thoughts from ladder: 1. :gholdengo: is everywhere and for good reason. Besides the usual gholdengo utility from blocking hazard removal, ignoring twaves and taunts and having a brilliant typing, its offensive sets very reliably get a kill and its...

https://pokepast.es/23fefe2bff37bb23 Peaked #100 on ladder, my highest spot ever, with :beedrill-mega: Dont judge me, I’m not a good player. Probably someone with real skills can bring this much higher. I am telling you, this mon has potential and it definitely helps that most of its counters...

:beedrill-mega: UR -> C- This is gonna be a controversial one. For those who don’t know, Pinkacross did a stream building mega beedrill in which he showed some ideas for building and using bee, most notably tspikes. Check out his stream for actually competent arguments and replays. Now, lets...

Run covert cloak on everything Now regarding all the ban hammers being proposed in the last few posts, I will share some thoughts: I have to agree with hidin on the :gholdengo: point, this is one of the mons holding the tier together and actually rewarding skill in most of its interactions...

:gholdengo: A+ -> S- I will start with a paste from my post on the meta discussion thread: I think it is one of the best mons around in a lando manner. At least 60% of teams out there could benefit from slotting a gholdengo, you don’t even need to run a spike stack. It brings so many...

Here’s my survey and general meta thoughts: :ogerpon-wellspring: 4 I think this is the main issue mon in the current meta. If a team can be broken by waterpon it will be broken by waterpon. Most teams are one ivy cudgel crit away from losing to this thing. Its actual counters are very cringe...

First of all 252 SpA Choice Specs Dragapult Hydro Pump vs. 92 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar-Mega in Sand: 170-202 (46.7 - 55.4%) -- 69.5% chance to 2HKO Not a “clean” 2hko, about the same chance as a focus blast. Also, specs pult probably never fits hydro pump and I swear I have never got hydro pumped...

I find that bulkier teams are better equipped for dealing with it, since they can run multiple of moltres, tinglu, ttar, heatran, etc, to deal with all the sets while still pursuing their playstyle. I find fast but not fast enough (pivoty) offense to be what pult beats best (think mlop, koko...