NOC 11p gen 1 closed setup (D4 End: Dec 25 at 5 PM PST)

Duskfall98

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Yeah w/e if I die here I should probably be townread but I have no doubt you guys will scumread me. Blame former for this game regardless he shitted up the thread with nonsense, he has a responsibility as an experienced player and he trolled I'm not taking blame postgame I would kill him 100 days in a row if there were that many phases to kill him.
 
yea i was actually gonna say CB seems pretty neutral here, i like their content enough to not scumread em, but i don't think there's been enough substance to warrant taking a bite and voting them out. celever i keep on messing up with clarinet but ultimately town!celever is more likely than not.

do you have anything you wanted to add on the former/tommy fight goin on?
Interesting. Now we wait for Clever to say that they town read shub? Something ain't right with Caff/Clever/Shub core. They all may not be scum but there has to be something fishy going on.
 

Celever

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fuck thought day 2 started in 24 hrs

vote duskfall

bluegummybear shubaka17 Celever how do you feel about voting duskfall off today after former flipped town
Right now I think I’m against it. Haven’t dissected EoD yesterday yet but Tommy seems very town by first impression the entire time, and he was very town before Former’s BS the entire time as well as shown in my ISO yesterday.

My hold up is that if Former hadn’t randomly jumped ship from me to Tommy, we’d currently be in the exact same situation questioning whether a town could truly play so badly so as to accuse another town as hard as Former did. And since I’m town, I can say that yes, Former really was that bad this game. Tommy and I both treated his BS with towny aggression and it made me townread Tommy more.

The main issue IMO is that if this is 8v3 and we mislynch today, we’re in LYLO tomorrow (outside of town PR interference), and I think if Tommy is town and we spend today voting him we’re really stuck for information come D3. There are a whole plethora of fairly equally suspicious people IMO, and today could be better spent focussing on them.

Speaking of Vote CaffeineBoost your EoD was a real mess bro
 

Celever

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not sure i follow you, and i'm not really pro-tommy vote right now tbh

bgb still fell apart a lot of yesterday, and the fact that nobody tried to push from my wagon or formers onto there seems, kinda incriminating. this isn't juts wagonomics, it's also that he focused a lot on some low profile characters and pushing them as scum/partners with me, and not providing any thing in depth when trying to champion a 1/3rd inactive player (myself) as obvscum
I’d identify that yes BGB is playing terribly only focussing on you and tinfoiling largely unconnected players as definite partners with you, but it reads more as really bad town than scum I think.

But then I’m still incredulous that your wagon picked up any steam yesterday when you were the counterwagon. I could honestly see bgb’s bud being on that wagon if bgb flips mafia and this is an interesting lead.
 

Celever

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Dusk voted himself which took plurality off Former and put it onto you.
If he's scum, idt he does this.
Actually this logic could be flawed...
I don’t think Tommy was thinking straight enough to do this. He was clearly pissed off at Former (which, rightly so, how did he flip town I’m still annoyed at him for taking away out D1 with his trolling) and I think largely he was using this thread to vent rather than to make complex mechanical plays like this.
 

Celever

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dusk voted himself knowing that there wasn't gonna be enough people interested in voting him off
he also knew that if shubaka was voted off then, former v duskfall would continue onto d2, which, as former said, is good news for maf

he pushed for a former vote very early on in the day, and like i said earlier, leaving day 2 with only one v experienced player is dangerous if that one experienced player is maf

i don't think duskfall goes so hard on former if he's town
I see the concept of this — experienced player targets experienced player to get them out of the way and win uncontested — but Former was so bad this game that I don’t think the logic works. If Former had been a particularly contentious or reachy wagon, or if there had been other similar options, I think this theory is pretty valid. But Former ruined our D1 with trolling and Tommy was right to advocate his lynch almost as a policy so we could move on with D2 without an active troll.

Personally I’m not thinking of Former as experienced in the context of this game. He was the worst player on D1 and that’s irrespective of his prior experience.
 

Celever

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i'm gay and can't quite understand that math, and like an hour before deadline there were some weird votes going on that i can't go back and count right now, since i'm making dinner.

on another hand, we do have CB, SB, and TBZ all fairly universally neutral/town lean (from what i can tell) and all of them are alive, could be worth looking into with enough activity from them today.

i reread the last page a couple times to figure out what y'all are talking about, and maybe i'm bad at this game but i can't find it.

ping me if anything interesting or groundbreaking happens, no need to ping me on questions i'm literate enough to find them when i'm reading thread
CB and TBZ are scum leans to me. TBZ hasn’t anything towny this game really, while CB is a very mixed bag weighted to scummy. I do agree shooting here is viable today and is probably the camp I’m in right now.
 

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