13p Matrix 14 (No Multiball) Game Thread [GAME OVER]

apricity said:
i'm so sick of the idea that you have to tell someone why you're scumreading them

what's going to happen, you're going to convince someone who drew scum that they are scum? they'll just go "oh no this is good logic i guess you're right i should be lynched"
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ok? why are you quoting my post i'm not telling you what to do. frankly my opinion is meaningless outside of the game and barely above meaningless in this game at this point so not sure what ur agenda is here unless you're worried about my influence or something

as far as im concerned your vote was and is baseless to me. im not going to sit here and try and figure it out. and im not going to suck you off and assume you have the best intentions just because of your username. credibility is earned not started with - in my opinion...
 
You have been telling me what to do all game lmfao. You’ve been expressing your grievances towards me since literally your first post in the game

get over it Jesus Christ. Why do you keep talking about your “personal frustrations”
 
Nowhere in this entire fucking game have I asked anyone to sheep me because I have a good track record as town, why do you keep pretending like I am?

if you feel that pressure to do so then that’s on you
 
i cant tell if youre doing this on purpose or if you genuinely misunderstand me. the way you respond makes it seem like you're trying to get a rise out of me but i really don't know. so let me try and be as clear as i can.

i havent told you to do anything. i talked w you on the topic once then i dropped the conversation when i realized it was pointless. i was trying to have a discussion in good faith but you declined and decided to take things to extreme and strawman everything i said. you're strawmanning me now lmao. nothing you said is close to any kind of reality. i didn't bring up "policy voting," you did. where am i talking about "personal frustrations" lmao. you literally just made up a phrase ive never even used.

please feel free to find a post of mine where i tell you what to do. go for it. please. because then i'll know you're actually trying to talk to me instead of playing what i assume is some sort of game to make me look silly or mafia or dumb or something i dont know.

and here let me help you out since you seem to be struggling with what i've actually - let's look at what i actually wrote in this thread:
jalmont said:
my concern is primarily the influence such behavior has on The Game namely that people decide to copy such a strategy and we are left with nothing but people voting on reasons anyone to any but themselves. Whether there is any validity to those thoughts can’t be examined. I think my issue with that is then fairly self explanatory
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wow that actually reads pretty reasonably. nothing there telling you what to do. hmm weird i dont see anywhere blaming or accusing you of asking people to sheep you. v interesting...

i wasn't even talking to you just now. get over it? you fucking get over it i wasn't talking shit about you until you made it about yourself. i didn't mention ur name specifically.

here, i'll bold it for you: i dont care how you decide to play. do whatever you want to do. i don't care. thanks

this is a stupid conversation. i dont even scumread you!!! haven't i said this!!!! holy, i spent my last waking moments typing this instead of thinking about the game. darn. back to the drawing board tomorrow then.
 
JALMONT said:
you're strawmanning me now lmao. nothing you said is close to any kind of reality. i didn't bring up "policy voting," you did. where am i talking about "personal frustrations" lmao. you literally just made up a phrase ive never even used.
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this technically would also seem to clear hal, but i'm actually still fairly wary about him (vs me thinking him mostly town yesterday). i think part of that is my own personal frustration but i guess i will just leave it as me being cautious about him.
-you, one hour ago
 
this technically would also seem to clear hal, but i'm actually still fairly wary about him (vs me thinking him mostly town yesterday). i think part of that is my own personal frustration but i guess i will just leave it as me being cautious about him.

I bolded it sothat you don’t miss it
 
this technically would also seem to clear hal, but i'm actually still fairly wary about him (vs me thinking him mostly town yesterday). i think part of that is my own personal frustration but i guess i will just leave it as me being cautious about him.

Here’s where you talked about your personal frustrations against me in relation to the game, which I assumed came from the same reason that you parked your vote on me in the beginning of the game because you wanted to teach me a lessonand discourage my behavior or whatever
 
JALMONT said:
and here let me help you out since you seem to be struggling with what i've actually - let's look at what i actually wrote in this thread:


wow that actually reads pretty reasonably. nothing there telling you what to do. hmm weird i dont see anywhere blaming or accusing you of asking people to sheep you. v interesting...
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and im not going to suck you off and assume you have the best intentions just because of your username. credibility is earned not started with - in my opinion...

-you, 20 minutes ago
 
and im not going to suck you off and assume you have the best intentions just because of your username. credibility is earned not started with - in my opinion...

The bolded part was in response to a post I made where I said that maybe we don’t need to call things baseless because they are not explained. Do you think this is reasonable? Maybe not
 
i dont care how you decide to play. do whatever you want to do. i don't care. thanks
-you

I would like this to be true. I haven’t felt like this has been true at all this game.If this is what will happen for the rest of the game then we don’t have tocontinue this conversation. Thanks
 
MewtwoHidden
HealnDeal
Fenrir Aesir
Duskfall98
apricity
Energy
Thunder~BALLZ
MoodyCloud
JALMONT
Hannahh
Texas Cloverleaf

At 11 alive we have three scum, two mislynches
hannah Texas tommy jalmont heal probably all town. With me that’s 6 and is enough.

leaves m2h fenrir energy tbz moody

If watcher is in last group and CLAIMS before being lynched then we have actually more than enough. In scumpool I feel least good about lynching energy and moody. Would like to see m2h go first. In town core I will leave room to whiplash but at this point I feel like this is an OK list

oddly enough I feel like this is not actually so bad a position. It would have been better if clarinet claimed. But there have been enough interactions to weasel out more reads/movement in this block if we flip one bad guy
 
In hindsight it's not worded very well but what I was trying to get at was that I visualized worlds where you, as mafia, acted the way you did EOD because I think you would be the sort of player strong enough to do something like that. But this was before I realized that most of what I was thinking didn't really have strong evidence behind it (basically I couldn't really finalize a motivation that made sense). So I was actually trying to recognize my own bias which is based out of you strawmanning everything I'm saying and not actually trying to understand my view point and explain that my gut feel is probably wrong because of my bias. There is no "frustrations," it's a frustration with the singular situation. And the situation has nothing to do with what you do, but with how you responded to me which I found unfair.

apricity said:
and im not going to suck you off and assume you have the best intentions just because of your username. credibility is earned not started with - in my opinion...

The bolded part was in response to a post I made where I said that maybe we don’t need to call things baseless because they are not explained. Do you think this is reasonable? Maybe not
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why can't i call it baseless? it's baseless to me. this isn't a personal affront to you. different people find different meanings in different things. plenty of people not named me find meaning in the things you say. not sure why my specific opinion bothers you so much, and it's not as if i hold a majority opinion.

yes i understand i used some strong language here and i'm guessing that's what really bothers you. ill admit its an inflammatory statement. but i really wasn't trying to take a shot at you or anything. i dont think really anything i said implicates you because it's not you who is responsible for anyone else.

apricity said:
i dont care how you decide to play. do whatever you want to do. i don't care. thanks
-you

I would like this to be true. I haven’t felt like this has been true at all this game.If this is what will happen for the rest of the game then we don’t have tocontinue this conversation. Thanks
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I'm sorry that you feel that way. From my perspective, ever since I said I thought continuing the conversation wasn't useful, I tried to avoid bringing up the topic because I specifically thought it wouldn't be helpful for either of us. I'm not really sure what else I can do other than not talk about the topic but it seems something I've been doing has been bothersome anyways. if there's a specific behavior you'd like me not to engage in let me know. I'm very reasonable and open to this sort of thing if it can help us establish some common ground which I think we have more of in this game than less.

Good night.
 
Energy said:
Lynch moodycloud
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Thunder~BALLZ said:
I’m actually going to have to effort woo

for one I wish there was a way to react to posts with a ? Because half of what tommy said doesn’t make sense in my head. For one saying hal has no reason to lynch tommy only seems like a convenient excuse to omgus because anyone has reason to lynch anyone atp considering yesterday’s lynch

granted I don’t think tommy or Hal is scum atp and I’m also just bad at mafia so forgive me for doing anything

LYNCH MOODYCLOUD

but I think I agree with this
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These two votes [thirty minutes apart from people who as far as I can tell have no trajectory leading up to this vote, and who independently have been pretty reserved with opinions/votes, on a target that has not really been scumread before,]
are interesting
 
Duskfall98 said:
Da died because he was unlikely to get docced/watched imo but still a threat
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This still bugs me. There are a large number of people in this game who fall into this category. Which is why I’m hesitant to explain the NK with this rather than with a PR read

But if the people who have enough meta with DS to make said PR reads is larger than 1 or 2, then maybe this observation does not matter
 
HeaLnDeaL said:
I already know you're not lynching anyone except clarinet, so unless I'm wrong with that assumption, I'm not too interested in who you want to lynch. I still townread you but doesn't mean I'm going to just follow you and your towncore you laid out has things I don't like and I'm set up to be mislynched later on with your towncore, so it doesn't make sense for me to follow all of your votes. Hoping we can reconverge at a later date.
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Later date has arrived.
 
My kneejerk reaction to seeing the first moody vote was "wow, a vote I could get behind. wish energy said more reasoning, but moody's posts don't look towny in their amount and the only reason people seemed to give moody any credit at all was for temporarily wanting to lynch me on day 1 and people bowing down to him because of that."

My kneejerk reaction to seeing the second mood vote was "why are two low post users suddenly going after moody, both with no/low reasoning."
 
apricity said:
Later date has arrived.
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I think all of your potential lynches of m2h fenrir energy tbz moody seem fine to me, obviously I'd personally add hannah to that list but I know you won't add her to yours. I would like to legitimately ask you why you townread hannah, but your playstyle already prevents you from answering :blobshrug:
 
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