1st [RMT] on Smogon (OU)

[Green_Beast_~paw11~]

Well this is my first RMT on smogon as the title says. I have ben useing this team for quite a while and have ben pretty sucsesful. I do how ever notice a few weaknesses, but i would like to know if i have more weaknesses which is the reason i came here. So lets start this rmt.


THE TEAM LAYOUT

Ewwww GROSS!

Metagross @ Occa berry
Ability: Clear body
Adamant Nature (+ atk, -Satk)
232hp/ ATK252 /24 speed
- bullet punch
- iron head / Explosion
- EQ
- Stealth Rock

One of the most reliable leads ive ever used. Iron head over meteor mash why you ask? because i had so much bad luck useing low acuracy moves and iron head also helps just as much. But I am putting explosion into consideration over iron head for Gyrados and Salamence that try to Dragon Dance (credits to Mendokuse). bullet punch to hit anything faster then metagross and if i can pull of a 2HKO with the help of iron head. EQ to hit things i cant rly touch with steel type moves and to finish off hetrans and such with the help of my occa berry. Stealth rocks to set up of course.


Surfs Up!

Tentacruel @ black sludge
Ability: Liquid Ooze
Calm nature: (+SpD, -Atk)
Evs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 SpD
- Surf / Hydropump
- Toxic Spikes
- Knock Off
- Rapid Spin

Now its not that important for me to have a spinner but i always like to have one since i find my self switching in and out of gyarados during my battles. Now his job is verry simple set up spikes spin and switch out for another turn. Surf or hydro pump kinda ichy on the hydropump idea but will consider it. Toxic spikes work well with sand storm and stealth rocks activated through my expeirences. Knock Off seems to be a more suitable choice, helping to get rid of things like Leftovers and potentially even the Choice Scarf on an incoming TrickRotom. Like I said I dont think I really need a spinner but its always nice to have one. Black sludge is a good item in todays metagame with all thease trick users arround.

Dracula :]

Gliscor @ Yache Berry
Ability:Sand Veil
Jolly nature: (+speed, -Satk)
Evs: 252 HP / 40 Atk / 216 Speed
- Earthquake
- Taunt
- Roost
- Stone Edge

HA gliscro. This bat in sand storm makes it an anoying thing to fight. I like to save him for later so i can taunt pokemon that like to set up in my face. EQ for stab nothing much to explain here. taunt to stop phazers. roost has saved my life in sand storm countless times its not even funny, but yeah its there for recovery move. stone edge for support aginst killing dragons, and for those i can not kill with EQ.


LAZY SNAKE

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Ability: intimidate
Impish Nature (+Def, -Satk)
242 hp / 242 Def / 26 atk
- Dragon Dance / Roar
- Rest
- Sleeptalk
- Waterfall

Rest talk bulky gyarados. This pokemon does wonders for me late in the game and he is able to abrob status. dragon dance to boost the speed problem, but i might think on useing roar, roaring and recovering off damage. Rest Talk combonation to recover and hope for wen im asleep to hit Dance or Waterfall. waterfall for stab power. Thinking really hard for replaceing gyarados for a zapados to cover my lack for a fire and electric move (t-bolt, and Heat wave) and to also hide my electric weakness and provide a decent special sweeper.


ONION HEAD!

Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spd
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Grass Knot
- Recover / Rest
- Hidden power fire
- Thunder Wave

Celebi one of my favorite support pokemon. noticeing my team is pretty slow thunder wave helps alot to slow down some threating pokemon. Grass knot provides for a good stab aginst the heavy swampert, scuicune, rhyperior, regirock, and others. Recove is a verry helpfull move to restore Hp, but rest can b proven to be helpfull to restore all my health, and all I would have to do is switch out to wake up. I used to run HPice on him/her untill i noticed it only got me so far. So now im useing HPfire because scizor think its an easy KO aginst celebi useing u-turn, but good thing i have enugh speed to out speed adamant scizor. Thunder wave to cripple faster threats.


SAND STORM!

Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Ability:Sand Stream
Adamant nature: (+Atk, -Satk)
Evs: 176 HP / 252 Atk / 80 Spe
- Pursuit
- Crunch
- Stone Edge
- EQ​

The average tyranitar. Able to tear teams aprt along with thunder wave support, covering its speed problem. Prusuit for those anoying latias and pokemon like that. Crunch and stone edge my main attacks for stab. Earthquake to provide more coverage.​

So thats my team hurry and RATE please. *Edits in bold*​

 

[Alex Practice]

If you don't like Meteor Mash, use Explosion over Iron Head. Metagross isn't quick enough to abuse the flinch rate of Iron Head and Explosion is awesome for Gyrados and Salamence that try to Dragon Dance, and since it's bulky enough to take a hit, Metagross is frequently able to SR, Bullet Punch (certain) leads to death and explode on the next Pokemon.

For Tentacruel, I'd use Hydro Pump over Surf fora more powerful attack for Rotoms that switch in predicting Rapid Spin. The accuracy is a bit shaky but that extra power can bridge the gap between a KO and having your Tytanitar Burned later on so it's worth testing. Ice Beam doesn't seem too reliable to me, TBH. Tentacruel isn't all that fast and a STAB EQ from Flygon or a LO EQ from Salamence is going to demolish Tentacruel, who may not even be able to OHKO back with its lack of Sp. Atk investment. Knock Off might be a suitable choice, helping to get rid of things like Leftovers and potentially even the Choice Scarf on an incoming TrickRotom or something. It's just generally an awesome move, from my experience, and you'd probably get more use out of it than Ice Beam.

Gliscor looks fine. Gyrados having only Waterfall to attack with can easily get walled by Vaporeon and other bulky water types who just switch in and set up a wish (vappy) CM (suicune) or whatever as you switch out. Rest/Sleep Talk with Waterfall and Stone Edge or EQ might treat you better. Even Roar is a solid alternative, allowing Gyrados to switch into things like SD Lucario, intimidating them, roaring and recovering off damage.

Celebi and Tyranitar both look alright.

Sorry I can't do more but I'm not that great at team building, just fixing movesets here and there :S

 

[reyscarface]

Hello!

Alright Metagross. No-no Iron Head. I know misses are pitiful, but the loss in power is tremendous, you will regret not having Meteor Mash most of the time i can assure you =/ If you really dont want to use Meteor Mash then id rather have Explosion on that last slot to take a pokemon down with me because Iron Head just doesnt cut it.

I like your Gyarados set actually, and i think it does pretty well in conjunction with your team, so replacing it would be actually counterproductive. Though i do agree you would love to have an Electric Pokemon, IMO it shouldnt be over Gyarados. As you said, you really dont need a Spinner with Gyarados being the only one weak to SR, and it can Rest it off so Rapid Spin support is plus or less a waste, specially because when you would like to Rapid Spin is vs Stall, and since stall carries Rotom so much, it wont be easy at all to spin the layers.
Yes, your team is ridiculously slow, so instead of your Tentacruel i would totally use either a Scarfed Rotom OR a Gengar.
Scarf Rotom provides you a lot of speed and a reliable way of killing Gyarados besides Celebi, while giving you that Electric attack you wanted and also giving you Trick Support AND Overheat!
Gengar is more of a standalone sweeper than a team player. Your Celebi will attract a bucketload of Scizors, so you can just play with them making them eat SR everytime they switch in until they are left at like 70%. Then you will use Hidden Power Fire and kill them, while leaving Gengar ready to sweep ^___^

Heres the Rotom set and the Gengar set if you are interested.

Rotom-H @ Choice Scarf - Timid
252 SpA / 252 Spe/ 4 Def
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt
- Trick
- Overheat

Trick takes care of stall teams, while Thunderbolt + Shadow Ball give you great coverage. Overheat is an OHKO on Scizor and Lucario.

Gengar @ Life Orb - Timid
252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt
- Focus Blast
- HP Ice / Explosion

Easy as this, excellent special sweeper. Your moves give you awesome coverage once the Scizor is gone thanks to Celebi, while the last slot is either to take a Blissey, Snorlax, etc. down or taking Salamence so it doesnt set-up on you.

Yikes! Talking about Salamence, your team has literally nothing that can switch into a Mixmence. Everything is 2HKOd or 1HKOd, which is the reason i will suggest this change.
You already will have 2 (even 3 if you count celebi) counters to Lucario, which means Gliscor's place is expendable. Since Gliscor isnt really doing anything other than spam EQ for no reason, i recommend you change Gliscor with the old reliable Scizor. Scizor will be your main way of switching into Dragon Attacks like Draco Meteor or Outrage, while keeping both DD Mence and Scarf/Specs Latias in check. This will help you a lot because of your lack of priority barring Metagross, which will probably be down after the first turns of battle. The set i think that may aid you is the well known CB set. Here it is if you feel lazy to find it xd

Scizor @ Choice Band - Adamant
252 Attack / 200 HP / 56 Speed ~ (Read, you may tweak the defensive EVs to take Ice Beams, EQs or anything you want better.)
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn
- Superpower
- Pursuit

Tyranitar and Celebi look fine, just run Recover and not Rest on Celebi. Also, since you alredy have a CBer (if you take my suggestions) you may could change your Tyranitar to Babiri DD or maybe even one with Flamethrower, its pretty much personal opinion.

I hope i helped and good luck with your team buddy!

 

[Green_Beast_~paw11~]

Hello!

Alright Metagross. No-no Iron Head. I know misses are pitiful, but the loss in power is tremendous, you will regret not having Meteor Mash most of the time i can assure you =/ If you really dont want to use Meteor Mash then id rather have Explosion on that last slot to take a pokemon down with me because Iron Head just doesnt cut it.

I like your Gyarados set actually, and i think it does pretty well in conjunction with your team, so replacing it would be actually counterproductive. Though i do agree you would love to have an Electric Pokemon, IMO it shouldnt be over Gyarados. As you said, you really dont need a Spinner with Gyarados being the only one weak to SR, and it can Rest it off so Rapid Spin support is plus or less a waste, specially because when you would like to Rapid Spin is vs Stall, and since stall carries Rotom so much, it wont be easy at all to spin the layers.
Yes, your team is ridiculously slow, so instead of your Tentacruel i would totally use either a Scarfed Rotom OR a Gengar.
Scarf Rotom provides you a lot of speed and a reliable way of killing Gyarados besides Celebi, while giving you that Electric attack you wanted and also giving you Trick Support AND Overheat!
Gengar is more of a standalone sweeper than a team player. Your Celebi will attract a bucketload of Scizors, so you can just play with them making them eat SR everytime they switch in until they are left at like 70%. Then you will use Hidden Power Fire and kill them, while leaving Gengar ready to sweep ^___^

Heres the Rotom set and the Gengar set if you are interested.

Rotom-H @ Choice Scarf - Timid
252 SpA / 252 Spe/ 4 Def
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt
- Trick
- Overheat

Trick takes care of stall teams, while Thunderbolt + Shadow Ball give you great coverage. Overheat is an OHKO on Scizor and Lucario.

Gengar @ Life Orb - Timid
252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt
- Focus Blast
- HP Ice / Explosion

Easy as this, excellent special sweeper. Your moves give you awesome coverage once the Scizor is gone thanks to Celebi, while the last slot is either to take a Blissey, Snorlax, etc. down or taking Salamence so it doesnt set-up on you.

Yikes! Talking about Salamence, your team has literally nothing that can switch into a Mixmence. Everything is 2HKOd or 1HKOd, which is the reason i will suggest this change.
You already will have 2 (even 3 if you count celebi) counters to Lucario, which means Gliscor's place is expendable. Since Gliscor isnt really doing anything other than spam EQ for no reason, i recommend you change Gliscor with the old reliable Scizor. Scizor will be your main way of switching into Dragon Attacks like Draco Meteor or Outrage, while keeping both DD Mence and Scarf/Specs Latias in check. This will help you a lot because of your lack of priority barring Metagross, which will probably be down after the first turns of battle. The set i think that may aid you is the well known CB set. Here it is if you feel lazy to find it xd

Scizor @ Choice Band - Adamant
252 Attack / 200 HP / 56 Speed ~ (Read, you may tweak the defensive EVs to take Ice Beams, EQs or anything you want better.)
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn
- Superpower
- Pursuit

Tyranitar and Celebi look fine, just run Recover and not Rest on Celebi. Also, since you alredy have a CBer (if you take my suggestions) you may could change your Tyranitar to Babiri DD or maybe even one with Flamethrower, its pretty much personal opinion.

I hope i helped and good luck with your team buddy!

Ok i will use gengar since im fimiliar with its set and can use it accordingly.
Im a bit scepticle about the replacement of gliscor for scizor giveing me two CBers, and i found gliscor to compliment tyranitar quite well. But i would not hesitate to add scizor over gliscor, although I will be looking for other options. But if i do put CB scizor i will go babri tar.

Thank you for all the advice though scarface :D .




Ps: i know the standard for CB scizor im not new to battleing but thank you for posting it anyway.

 

[Snorlaxe]

Yes, on Metagross, definitely go with Explosion. It can take down many opposing leads easily (after you break their sash with Bullet Punch).

I find myself agreeing with Rey that you have really nothing that can take shit from MixMence. For that reason, you might want to give Tentacruel Ice Beam over, say, Knock Off? Ice Beam can put a stop to the general MixMence, although, with your Tentacruel, MixMence might outspeed it if it has some speed EVs. I might actually replace Tentacruel with Starmie, as it is a much faster spinner. Although, if you find yourself missing the Toxic Spikes, feel free to have Tentacruel.

Anyway I hoped I helped, and Good Luck! :)
P.S. Welcome to Smogon! :D

 

[ARandomDude]

Just a nitpick, by running 242HP 242Def on Gyarados, you are cheating yourself out of an extra stat point. Now about fixing your EVs:

If you opt to run Roar, your spread should be 216HP/32Atk/252Def/8Spe. The 216 reaches 385HP, which allows for optimal Leftovers recovery and lets you switch into SR 4 times without dying. The 252Def is a given. The 8 speed allows you to outrun the people who run 252HP/252Def/4Spe. The rest goes into attack (these can go in SpD if you really want to).

If you opt to run dragon dance, your spread should be 216HP/200Def/92Spe. The speed investment reaches 333 speed after a dragon dance, beating most nasty plot apes before they get a chance to grass knot you. The HP is explained in the previous section, and the rest in defense.

 

[Green_Beast_~paw11~]

Thank you for the tips guys.

I am now running gengar in the team over tentacrueel and it seems to work just fine so i will edit the RMT to add gengar in it also i tryed to choices over gliscor. 1scizor does his job quite fine but i still get nervous aginst magnezones. 2hetran but not the scarf version the sub toxic one. Hetran actualy fits better then scizor imo in my team. but i am thinking if i run hetran i will give him will o wisp over toxic to cripple physical threats.

*edits will b done in about an hour or so*