Serious 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

[orch]

Yikes! Not a good look for Warren! When will dems stop with their silly """progressive""" theology that only institutes Orwellian state where anything from anyone that deviates from what the progressive idpol says must be shunned. If Bernie wins the nomination, I'm nearly certain that it will result into the second Corbyn.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/06/elizabeth-warren-campaign-nevada-111595

Another recently departed staffer, also a field organizer, granted anonymity because she feared reprisal, echoed that sentiment. “I felt like a problem — like I was there to literally bring color into the space but not the knowledge and voice that comes with it,” she said in an interview.

She added: “We all were routinely silenced and not given a meaningful chance on the campaign. Complaints, comments, advice, and grievances were met with an earnest shake of the head and progressive buzzwords but not much else.” A third former field organizer who was also granted anonymity said those descriptions matched her own experience.

The parallels of Mikedawg, a literal gay person, is being lectured by a leftist that his opinions as a gay person on gay issues is simply BAD because his opinions doesn't align with the progressive theology is uncanny.

 

[boo836]

Yikes! Not a good look for Warren! When will dems stop with their silly """progressive""" theology that only institutes Orwellian state where anything from anyone that deviates from what the progressive idpol says must be shunned. If Bernie wins the nomination, I'm nearly certain that it will result into the second Corbyn.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/06/elizabeth-warren-campaign-nevada-111595

The parallels of Mikedawg, a literal gay person, is being lectured by a leftist that his opinions as a gay person on gay issues is simply BAD because his opinions doesn't align with the progressive theology is uncanny.

you talk like you get your political opinions from podcasts lmao

 

[EV]

We need some actual moderation here. This is getting fucking ridiculous.

Go cry for deceit and latios on their profiles like a normal person and let us get on with the show.

People reading my comment as about gay credentials rather than the fact that MikeDawg appears to be massively ignorant about queer politics is really funny to me in how insultingly reductive it is.

Me: “Pete Buttigieg is a really centrist candidate who appeals to the people who would take away the rights of me and people like me.”
Y’all: “Why do you need to make it about your identity??? I can’t believe you’d credential check like that...”

It's so clear that you've literally no context on the history of LGBT peoples, issues, or concerns and you're literally just taking the most boring substanceless talk at face value instead of listening to quite possibly the only person you interact with from the LGBT community?

You were way off base in your assessment of Mike and insisted you knew better. It was a super gatekeeper move wholly centered on your "identity" as the only person he interacts with from the community. There's also like 13 other (BAN ME PLEASE) in this thread he talks to, so lol.

The parallels of Mikedawg, a literal gay person, is being lectured by a leftist that his opinions as a gay person on gay issues is simply BAD because his opinions doesn't align with the progressive theology is uncanny.

Not a specific reply about Mike's views in their entirety (because I don't know them) but gays can have pretty shitty opinions about gay issues. Look at the ones who support Trump. There are legitimate reasons to lecture other gays (or LBTQ) for idiotic beliefs.

 

[The Amazonian Rainforest]

Go cry for deceit and latios on their profiles like a normal person and let us get on with the show.


You were way off base in your assessment of Mike and insisted you knew better. It was a super gatekeeper move wholly centered on your "identity" as the only person he interacts with from the community. There's also like 13 other (BAN ME PLEASE) in this thread he talks to, so lol.

Not a specific reply about Mike's views in their entirety (because I don't know them) but gays can have pretty shitty opinions about gay issues. Look at the ones who support Trump. There are legitimate reasons to lecture other gays (or LBTQ) for idiotic beliefs.

Yeah no the fact that this sentence is in your response completely validates my point that there is no enforcement. You WERE a mod. You had the powers to be like Christopher Reeve. Instead you chose to be Henry Cavill.

 

[EV]

Yeah no the fact that this sentence is in your response completely validates my point that there is no enforcement. You WERE a mod. You had the powers to be like Christopher Reeve. Instead you chose to be Henry Cavill.

You need to chill out, my dude. I typed three letters that I forgot this forum censors. As a (BAN ME PLEASE) myself I don't see the harm when being self-deprecating.

Seriously tho, learn to read with a little sense of irony please. I don't think the people in this thread are being as vile as you perceive them to be.

 

[vonFiedler]

tar you were literally talking about how you liked everyone going after each other until a mod said it was okay to do so.

 

[tcr]

this thread is like when my parents divorced all over again why would you put me through this

 

[The Amazonian Rainforest]

tar you were literally talking about how you liked everyone going after each other until a mod said it was okay to do so.

Its not fun if its allowed


Edit: i like the name tar

 

[TheValkyries]

You were way off base in your assessment of Mike and insisted you knew better. It was a super gatekeeper move wholly centered on your "identity" as the only person he interacts with from the community. There's also like 13 other (BAN ME PLEASE) in this thread he talks to, so lol.

I'm trying to understand what I gatekept here. Did I gatekeep him from his education in Queer Studies where he apparently learned that our communities have been treated pretty fairly by politicians and politics at large? Or is it really that you're just mad that I insinuated that he apparently doesn't talk to many gay people given how horrible his understanding of it all is, which apparently erased your silent voice on the topic.

"Way off base" LOL, you're right I should've suspected I was dealing with a log cabin boy in training all along. Really overstepped in my insistence of a better understanding when it comes to the issue of whether or not Joseph Biden is the most promising candidate when it comes to sexuality and gender issues, or whether Pete Buttigieg is running with his own identity politics at the forefront. Clearly, my rhetoric is solely rooted in "I'm gay and you're not neener neener neener." Love the argumentative power that ticking off identity boxes can give me. Thank you for calling me out, as I made these horrible mistakes.

 

[EV]

You're welcome. I'm glad we straightened that all out. I'd hate to continue a tiff with a fellow LGBTQ over something as trivial as identity politics.

 

[Chou Toshio]

What a circus...
Right when Bernie about to flip, Tom Perez calls a recount.
Bernie declares victory based on popular votes
Right before Pete’s CNN townhall IDP releases their 100% results that show Pete winning SDE by 1.5.
Bernie team shortly uses internal data/evidence to release a Press Release declaring himself the ultimate victor across the board, pointing at 14 discrepancies that flip the results to him by 2.7 points.

This is such a shit show but we can’t get off the ride xDDD

 

[Chou Toshio]

Pete reviving in Iowa was great just because it gave us this thread

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1225651413423808512

 

[The Amazonian Rainforest]

Pete reviving in Iowa was great just because it gave us this thread

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1225651413423808512

"It's not about who we may have been in the future, it's about who we will one day choose to have been. When we look back to this moment, we need to know that we will have followed liberty, not to its grave, but to a higher place, a more American place."

Lmao

 

[tazz]

Watching buttigieg speeches and trying to count the platitudes would make for a fantastic drinking game

 

[TheValkyries]

Watching buttigieg speeches and trying to count the platitudes would make for a fantastic drinking game

Fantastic in the sense that you’d probably die from alcohol poisoning.

 

[The Amazonian Rainforest]

BOOTYgeg haha

 

[termi]

NYT interviewed the candidates on foreign policy, might be worth looking at (if you get paywalled after a few clicks just open stuff in new private windows)

im still in the process of reading all the answers but so far bernie largely does as well as you can reasonably expect of an american, saying he'd use military forces to pre-empt an iranian or north korean nuclear program sounds kinda bad 2 me but other than that he doesn't seem to leave much room for neo-imperialist policy. warren does well on these questions tbh, im somewhat doubtful of her integrity at this point but the fact that she's giving substantial, generally progressive answers makes me cautiously optimistic wrt this subject at least. congrats to team pete for a mix of "did not answer" and long-winded answers that don't clearly say yes or no and can be interpreted either way, classic pete move, very brave! by the way who the fuck is michael bennet

 

[Bughouse]

by the way who the fuck is michael bennet

A pretty run of the mill, a bit more on the moderate side, senator from Colorado. His biggest issue is probably education?
He probably could/should have received more attention and been in a similar position to Klobuchar but for whatever reason he never did.
It may have been related to right around when he announced his candidacy he was also diagnosed with prostrate cancer though afaik he had surgery and was given a clean bill of health.

he’s also known for this

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1088630695231148038

 

[Chou Toshio]

NYT interviewed the candidates on foreign policy, might be worth looking at (if you get paywalled after a few clicks just open stuff in new private windows)

im still in the process of reading all the answers but so far bernie largely does as well as you can reasonably expect of an american, saying he'd use military forces to pre-empt an iranian or north korean nuclear program sounds kinda bad 2 me but other than that he doesn't seem to leave much room for neo-imperialist policy. warren does well on these questions tbh, im somewhat doubtful of her integrity at this point but the fact that she's giving substantial, generally progressive answers makes me cautiously optimistic wrt this subject at least. congrats to team pete for a mix of "did not answer" and long-winded answers that don't clearly say yes or no and can be interpreted either way, classic pete move, very brave! by the way who the fuck is michael bennet

GJ Dad— a well optimized answer for moving left without outright giving the CIA the green light to murder you.

 

[TheValkyries]

Presented without comment.

 

[vonFiedler]

Without comment or context. That's a page about increasing government funding for the Peace Corps.
https://peteforamerica.com/policies/a-new-call-to-service/

 

[TheValkyries]

You're right that it's without context, I hadn't seen it with full context.

But expanding american imperialism tools as a bonding moment for our country is still gonna be a massive yikes from me dog. And that assumes his only expansions will be on those specific "services" as opposed to the one he explicitly highlighted which was his own service as a member of the Military.

 

[The Amazonian Rainforest]

I dont think mandatory military service is the way to go. There are tons of problems within the military as it is, and it isnt like Israel where they are constantly in danger of being attacked.

 

[Myzozoa]

"
The only beneficiary of impeachment proceedings was Trump. It took out Biden, arguable the candidate with the best chance of beating him. This has been Trump’s objective all along. The Biden’s are about to be confronted with a slew of investigations between now and the election, tarring both the Biden’s and Dems in general. Two can play this game of political resistance insurgency.

Dems are in a tight spot. If Sanders is denied the nomination, many of his supporters will sit out the election. They believe in the man, not the party. If Sanders is the candidate as seems likely, then he will be vulnerable not only for his socialist policies, but also his anti-American political positions in his younger days. For example, he supported the Iranian students holding US diplomats hostage in Iran in ‘79. Republicans are holding back fire until which time he wins the nomination. That doesn’t mean Sanders must lose the election, but he Is carrying a lot of baggage when it comes to policy that would alienate many voters.

The ultimate judge of Trump are The People, and recent poll numbers suggest Dems lost some support as a result of the trial. Yes, one could argue Trump will be impeached “forever”, but if he wins a second term, what’s it to him? As for being on the right side of history argument, history belongs to the victor."

the only play left to the dems is to get behind warren or sanders, no other candidate stands a chance sorry yall even these weak fake primary results can't salvage these centrist candidates cause being seen as a dem insider will lose you a general election this time around. perhaps warren would struggle due to party ties, but shes clearly less vulnerable than sanders on patriotism. if you're a sanders supporter like me, you should be able to envision and prepare for throwing your support behind warren as the potentially better chance of achieving a defeat against trump.

History goes to the victors, and so there probably wont be another free and fair election, or even term limits by the end of trump's second term. it's the type of situation where centrist democrats could be scoping mitt romney to run for them even. basically this is the the final hour of electoral politics before america does an israel america and repeals the 14th amendment.

 

[termi]

History goes to the victors, and so there probably wont be another free and fair election, or even term limits by the end of trump's second term. it's the type of situation where centrist democrats could be scoping mitt romney to run for them even. basically this is the the final hour of electoral politics before america does an israel america and repeals the 14th amendment.

honestly i dont rly buy into the "trump's gonna end american democracy" thing many ppl on the left seem to believe. the thing with democracy is that it's a pretty good technique of power compared to overt authoritarianism, it's simply a lot easier to keep people under control if they believe you have their mandate to rule. as long as people resort to "democratic" means of resisting the government, the government would only be shooting itself in the foot by resorting to anti-democratic constitutional amendments and/or overtly authoritarian means of suppressing opposition (although at this point it can get away with a LOT before the majority of the american people recognize the situation theyre in). controlling the populace through violence and fear is very expensive and generally untenable in the long run. i do think this is where america is ultimately headed, since i feel trust in the system is waning further and more and more people are being immiserated, so eventually revolt is "the only way out" (and subsequently the government will have to resort to authoritarian tactics), but i don't think we're quite there yet. of course trump is a megalomaniac so nothing's fully off the table, but i doubt he could do something like removing term limits without the consent of the elites.

now in the unlikely event that someone like bernie a: gets elected and b: gets shit done, a crisis may be averted altogether, since democratic reforms and an overall decrease in poverty would pacify the populace well enough (we've seen the effects of social democracy on revolutionary politics in north/west europe). at the same time tho, seeing how completely pathetic the american left has been and how paralyzed the people at the bottom of society are, a bernie win might only serve to embolden them and allow for a serious left wing politics to gain a stronger foothold in america. idk tho, i'd have to look into the literature to be able to tell whether bernie would ultimately keep the status quo alive (albeit at a major cost to the ruling elites) or if he would hasten the collapse of the american empire.