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Metagame 2v2 Doubles Metagame Discussion

I played 2v2 for UMFL clearly I'm qualified to make a vr. just my personal thoughts here, they are not ordered within tiers
Gouging Fire Tier: :gouging-fire:
S: :flutter-mane::ogerpon-wellspring::ogerpon-cornerstone::iron-hands:
A+: :chien-pao::indeedee-f::landorus-therian:
A: :hoopa-unbound::rillaboom::landorus::talonflame:
A-: :archaludon::metagross::iron-bundle::corviknight::sneasler::tornadus::cresselia::ursaluna::ursaluna-bloodmoon::terapagos-terastal:
B: :heatran::volcanion::lilligant-hisui::torkoal::iron-crown::ting-lu:
C: :kyurem-black::tinkaton::pecharunt::arcanine::gholdengo::greninja::incineroar:
D: :revavroom:
Regidrago Tier: :regidrago:

:gouging-fire: is the best mon in the tier. It's crazy glue and if you don't prepare for it it just 4-0s you.
:ogerpon: both wellspring and cornersone are great on most teams, follow me is a broken move. They're also pretty good offensively for dealing with grounds / fires. hearthflame isnt on here because i honestly don't know where to put it, probably hovering around A+ or A just bc its worse defensively and struggles into goug more
:indeedee-f: could be S but I placed it in A+ just bc I think its harder to fit than the pons since its pretty passive while having basically the same role. obviously mandatory for psyspam though
:talonflame: > :tornadus:
:cresselia:+:ursaluna: ngl I don't think this core is great bc it feels kinda weird to build around but it definitely demands some respect on preview
:torkoal:+:lilligant-hisui: as much as I love this core I couldn't place it any higher than B. it struggles into quite a bit (though it's 4-0 in UMFL)
:heatran: cool mon. beats flutter, pao, no hhp rilla and completely walls goug (and lando if air balloon is intact)
:kyurem-black: this mon is incredibly overrated. every time I build with it, it feels like it does nothing to support the team and every time I bring it to a game it does exactly what I thought it would, nothing.
:greninja: an idea I stole from the UMPL team I was supporting. it honestly worked pretty well, beats grounds and talonflame while also being able to set up stamina arch which is cool. also solid into psyspam kinda, just dodge the focus blasts.
:incineroar: the VGC and doubles king in the 2v2 C rank. it's just not it here. all it really does is click fake out which often does nothing due to them just being able to double protect and indeedee being everywhere. it's much better in tiers where it can properly utilize it's role as a pivot but it just can't do that here.
:revavroom: I almost brought this mon just for memes. It looks cool on paper but in practice its horrible
:regidrago: last and definitely least. please don't use this mon ever.
 
WElll everyone is posting so ig i will as well too, i'm not too happy with my performance in umpl honestly, i won the weeks that didnt matter... i missed a time... wasnt that motivated, but ah well we get them in 2v2pl :D . I'm not going to do a teamdump probably until like after next years circuit or i burn out of 2v2... already burned out on every single other tier in this game lol, but we will see which happens first. Since I don't want to put in effort ima use the tier maker from 3 months ago
Time to yap about a lot of mons. (most of the mons are ordered within the tiers/did the best i could 2)
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So. I'm a physical merchant, everyone knows that. I didn't bring psyspam once in UMPL lol, ig i did but it was with iron crown over hoopa so doesn't count :)
S+++ tier: Flutter. Its really good. Lorb has fallen off ngl but charm, specs, and other booster energy sets have picked up the slack and somehow this mon is still the best in the tier.
Gouging... annoying little bum. I had 3 games in umpl where it was who could crit the other gouging first... one went down to pp others uhhh pain to say the least. This thing is so restricting, IT HAS 1 SET YALL HOW HAVE WE NOT FIGURED IT OUT. Anyways it hardwalls every physical attacker 1v1 somehow and yeah its in the conversation for best mon in the tier sadly

S tier: I put pao at the top cuz im a physcal merchant. It can defo get moved down, but it honestly is so good. Hardwalls psyspam except for u bums who run colbur berry focus miss stuff yall are just rude. It offers incredible support to most physical attackers and has a few cool movesets of it's own, for me though i just use it when i cba to try to find a cool way to beat psyspam.
Lando. I only use this thing with speed control usually but oml it does damage. It will 100% of the time 2ko everything in the tier even without lorb, has spread unlike other mons above for u sickos actually clicking sandsear, and offers great flexibility for the rest of your team it used properly.
Wellspring, ogerpons are so annoying, not to play against, but to build... It has 9 or 10 viable moves like why :sob: But insane support and can slide into any team just fine... please dont run mono cudgel tho u will lose, thx :)
Shortening my thoughts so this doesnt take 3 hours here... Hands, Bulk bulk and more bulk. With fake out. Yeah this thing is a monster but gets smoked by gouging and psyspam so thats not good
Cornerstone Honestly could be better than wellspring it has better coverage for the tier but idk why it feels clunkier to use and build with than waterpon. Same thing as wellspring comments otherwise

A tier: Arch bullies physical spammers, yes like me, :) Its movepool is so good yet so bad somehow lol it sometimes feels bad other times it 4-0s the mu, strange mon but its still really good, also i can never tell if its good into flutter or not lol.
FInAlLy A pSysPaM mon (indeedee)... liike this thing is over prepped for, and that has just mades its value go down the drain... It has a big threat on preview but its not that good in this meta when you think about it, once people realize that its not that good anymore its gonna be good again, just not right now, you do still have to make sure u prep for it tho
Torn. Too high? idk but twind, spread, taunt, icy wind, its good a lot of moves and its a cool mon, I didn't use it much or at all but might start using it again it really helps on a lot of teams, but the meta has become so bulky it sometimes just does nothing and doesnt give any threat on preview.
Ting Lu, also prolly too high lol but its got a lot of use cases... and the more i think about this i realize i used the same 5 mons all umpl lol oml i never used this either, wp is cool, sometimes doesnt do enough damage tho ngl
Hoop hoop. I don't like this mon, im just kinda putting it here so i dont make people upset... it has like 3.5 moves lol it doesn't do anything, needs indeedee, its a physical attacker that uses eforce like cmon... Yeah ik im justa big hater but idt its that good
Hearthflame, cool mon, sadly doesnt get usage cuz its just a little bit worse typing that othe rpons for this tier, ah well its usable at least, better offensively tho

B tier Ghold: Not gon lie what was i thinking... i also close the tab lol this thing ain tthat good, its a cool mons yea, got some nice coverage, immune to every single status move, not b tier tho lol its prolyl around hoodra
Terapagos: Its got a really cool movepool, meat beam is fun when it doesnt miss... which does feel like 40% of the time. The ability really helps it be viable as it is guaranteed to survive 1 or 2 turns, hits everything with its moves except sadly flutter which really holds it back.
Kyu-b, i feel like some people are too low on this mon, yes its movepool sucks, but 170 base atk nd 100 everything else. I messed around with freeze shock lol its kinda cool, but otherwise its either scarf or loaded dice probably? anyone who runs special is a sicko tho ngl please dont use it
Shortening even more cuz it is taking forever to write this
Scizor incredible anti meta mon and cool prio and coverage mon
Sneas fake out feint is insane, otherwise its not that good lol
Bundle has 6 good moves its tough, it just doesnt hit hard enough to be elite
Rilla is great utility, thing holding it back is u usually have to run lvl 98 min speed to make the team optimized
Meta has fallen off a cliff with gf, i was really high on this mon a few months ago its just bad now tho in a lot of mus
Volc is cool, it has a great typing in this meta along with great movepool

B- I find it really hard to use lando-t rn, but its got its uses sometimes
Hoodra really specially bulky, it is really good WHEN YOU SCOUT, never run it if you dont know what your opp uses
Raging bolt... i still dislike this mon, but it does hit decently hard so
Ursa is like hoodra you really have to scout to use it imo, it hits hard but usually needs tr which can be hard to get up. and once u do its generally basically a 2v1
Incin is just inferior gf atp lol
Crown I genuinely believe can be better than hoop on a ton of teams, i much prefer the steel typing rn... but its also not good into hoop so
Cress just not a lot of mons can use trick room effectively, and when you get tr up it doesnt really do enuf damage for it to be good, it did have some great flashes in umpl tho

C tier, im just goign to comment on specific mons
ursa blood moon ngl i havent figured out this things evs im sure its better than what i think, same with ape, diance, and goltres
Arcanine is the best mon in the tier trust
Sini im prolly too high on but i still feel is good... im just coping atp but it was fun to try to use
Gapdos i thought was better tbh a few posts ago i think i said it was good. f gf, f flutter... :sob:

c- I have no comments, you shouldnt really use these mons they just have worse bsts and movepools usually, maybe usable in some really niche scenarios,
This combo with val was funny though its the mega psyspam bait and i do think val has potential ? https://pokepast.es/1fe64fbbed8d5926

Lets be real here all mons below just suck. I WILL RESTORE TALON DRAGO TO ITS FOMER GLORY THO

Was fun to write another big post and also forget yall im not gonna use proper grammar or make this post cleaner lol and hope u had fun reading this crap :)
 
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