350 Cup

[Halliday]

350 Cup
Approved by EeveeGeneral and The Immortal
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Changes:

- Ubers are allowed.

- The items Eviolite, Light Ball, Thick Club, DeepSeaScale, and DeepSeaTooth are banned on pokemon that get boosted.

- Pokemon with a base stat of 350 or lower get their stats doubled.

- Evasion is banned

- Abra, Cranidos, Darumaka, Gastly Pawniard, Rayquaza-Mega, Smeargle, and Spritzee are banned.

-Note: Shedinja only has 1 hp. Given that a base stat of 1 for hp would not produce 1 hp at level 100, it is hardcoded to work that way, and this metagame does not change that.

350 Cup is metagame where the pokemon who are the bottom of the barrel BST wise get a huge buff. With their new doubled stats, they are capable of defining the metagame
around them. Pokemon like Honedge and Slowpoke have the bulk, power, and speed necessary to go toe to toe with the Ubers giants and win.

Porential Threats
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Bronzor

Stats: 114 / 48 / 172 / 48 / 172 / 46
Abilities: Heatproof / Levitate / Heavy Metal
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Bronzor is a very bulky threat. With some of the best defensive stats in the game, and the typing (albeit, nerfed), to use them it, it can wall many threats with a bit of team support. Getting past it's stats, it also has 2 great abilities in Levitate and Heatproof, which allow it to switch into pokemon that it wouldn't be able to before, with ease. Despite this, it also has a shallow movepool that does not include recovery, mediocre offensive stats, and a typing that leaves it vulnerable to the omnipresent ghost and dark type attacks. Overall, Bronzor is a threat to be reckoned with, but still must be used carefully.

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Drilbur

Stats: 120 / 170 / 80 / 60 / 90 / 136
Abilities: Sand Force / Sand Rush / Mold Breaker​

Possessing base 170 attack, a decent speed tier in base 136 speed, and 2 abilities that make it a complete nightmare under sand, Drilbur is a very real threat in the 350 cup metagame. Sand Rush boosts its already usable speed to absurd levels, while Sand Force makes its earthquakes so powerful that they posses the power to OHKO Spritzee after a swords dance 43.8% of the time without rocks up, and 100% of the time with rocks up. Its bulk isn't half bad either, being able to take most neutral hits favorably with his decent HP stat.

Honedge

Stats: 90 / 160 / 200 / 70 / 74 / 56
Abilities: No Guard​

Honedge is a premier threat. It has an amazing ghost / steel typing that allows it to switch into a wide array of enemies, amazing physical stats of 90 / 160 / 200, and a strong set up move in swords dance. It is a great priority user with shadow sneak, which allows it to bring down the dreaded Abra. However, it suffers somewhat in a Darumaka and dark type infested metagame. It's biggest rival, Pawniard, also has better offensive stats and typing, and is capable of abusing the dreaded knock off. Despite this, Honedge stands out due to it's better defensive typing, better defense, and access to sacred sword, which gives it powerful coverage. All in all, it is one of the stronger pokemon in the metagame.

Giratina

Stats: 150 / 100 / 120 / 100 / 120 / 90
Abilities: Telepathy / Pressure​

Giratina is renowned as the bulkiest pokemon in the game. While it no longer holds this title, it still has wonderful defenses. It also has a unique typing with resistances key resistances and immunities. It is also one of the few pokemon that can boast the ability to wall Darumaka, except for the band sun variants. Knowing that, Giratina is probably at it's finest on rain teams to help against sun, and to wall opposing water types. Giratina has another advantage over most of the metagame: being a legendary, as opposed to the commonly NFE mons, it has a movepool of the type that is almost unseen in 350 cup, boasting various support options, although sadly lacking reliable recovery.

Rhyhorn

Stats: 160 / 170 / 190 / 60 / 60 / 50
Abilities: Reckless / Lightningrod / Rock Head​

With what is quite possibly the bulkiest physical spread in the game, and a massive attack stat of 170, Rhyhorn manages to stand out. It is capable of switching in to some of the strongest physical attackers in the game, and just not caring. It's huge attack stat allows it to abuse it's great STABmoves quite well, as well as some of it's coverage options. Despite this, Rhyhorn is not as amazing as it looks on paper. In practice, it tends to face a lot of competition from Groudon, due to the later's ability to wall Cranidos, provide sun support, and it's superior special bulk. Rhyhorn also has the issue of it's typing leaving it heavily open to water and grass type attacks, especially from the special side, where it is less bulky. Despite this, by sheer virtue of it's stats, it manages to remain a competent threat in the meta, and brings fear with it's 160/190 physical bulk.

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[Halliday]

S Rank
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This rank is reserved for Pokemon that are amazing in the 350 Cup metagame. These Pokemon are usually able to perform a variety of roles effectively, or can just do one extremely well. Their use has low risk involved and high reward exerted. Pokemon in this tier have very few flaws that are patched up by numerous positive traits.​

S - Rank

Shroomish

Staravia

A Rank
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Reserved for Pokemon that are outstanding in the 350 Cup metagame and can sweep, wall, or support the majority of the tier. These Pokemon require less support than other Pokemon to be used effectively and have few flaws that can be overlooked when compared to their outstanding traits.

A+ Rank

Slowpoke

A Rank

Clefairy

Drilbur

Foongus

Froakie

Hippopotas

Kangaskhan-Mega

Timburr

Xerneas

A- Rank

Arceus-Normal

Arceus-Water

Ferroseed

Kyogre

Elgyem

Carvanha

B Rank
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Reserved for Pokemon who are great in the 350 Cup metagame. These Pokemon have more notable flaws than of those above it that affects how they function in the tier. Their positive traits still outshine their negatives, but they require a bit more team support to bring out their full potential.

B+ Rank

Azurill

Corphish

Houndour

Oddish

Stunky

Vibrava

B Rank

Clamperl

Gengar Mega

Giratina

Krabby

Honedge

Meditite

Pumpkaboo

Rufflet

Scraggy

Tentacool

Yveltal

B- Rank

Bronzor

Groudon

Growlithe

Koffing

Magnemite

Mantyke

Registeel

Trapinch

C Rank
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Reserved for Pokemon that have notable niches in the 350 Cup metagame, but have just as notable flaws that prevent them from being effective. Pokemon in the C tier often require significant support to be effective in 350 Cup. C rank Pokemon tend to face a lot of competition with the more commonly used Pokemon.

C+ Rank

Bunnelby

Cubone

Phanpy

Rhyhorn

Sandshrew

Solosis

Wynaut

C Rank

Axew

Deino

Dialga

Doduo

Mankey

Piplup

Zorua

C- Rank

Diglett

Ditto

D Rank​

Reserved for Pokemon that are mediocre in the 350 Cup metagame, but are decent enough to justify their use on some teams. These Pokemon are either usable but have no real niche, or are only capable of doing
their specific task and fail at doing anything more than that.

D Rank

Smoochum

Snivy

 

[En Passant]

Does this double the stats themselves or the base stats?

 

[Uselesscrab]

Really enjoy this metagame. When I get the chance I'll post some of the sets I used in my battle against you.

 

[Peef Rimgar]

Does this double the stats themselves or the base stats?

The base stats. So for example, Krabby has an attack stat of 105 normally, it now has an attack stat of 210.

 

[skies]

Abra is dangerous, really dangerous.

 

[FireArrow]

-Shedinja with 2 HP (not sure how your doing that), 180 atk, 80 Spe.
-Marill Is incredibly bulky with 140/100/100 along with huge power.
-Smeargle with 150 spe and good 110/70/90 bulk.
-Wynaut .-.
-Diglett is faster than Deo-S
-Litwick is pretty scary having 100+ in every stat but speed and attack.
-Shroomish is as bulky as poison heal arceus.
-Clefairy is a better Clefable.
-Chinchou is broken.
-Teddiursa even more so.
-Pretty much everything over 300 BST is.

 

[Uselesscrab]

No one has mentioned the ridiculous Darumaka, which obliterated my team >.>

 

[En Passant]

You should use Bonsly then. It has amazing Physical bulk and decent Special bulk with 100/190/90 defenses, resists Flare Blitz, and can threaten Darumaka with a OHKO with some investment due to its accompanying 160 Attack. It's a lot like Mega Aggron, actually.

 

[Halliday]

The issue with bonsly is that darumaka gets super power. Honestly, if anything gets banned first, it's that thing.

 

[chimp]

This is like, Little Cup BUT WITH UBERS
Mienfoo is still as godly as ever with
90/170/100/110/100/130 stats, regenerator, u-turn, knock off, drain punch and basically everything that makes Mienfoo great.

Other pokemon who just barely hit the 350 mark are:

Cranidos:
134/250/80/60/60/116

Growlithe:
110/140/90/140/100/120

Other interesting mons:

Trapinch
90/200/90/90/90/20 with Arena Trap

Riolu
80/140/80/70/80/120 with Prankster

Cottonee
80/54/120/74/100/132

Foongus !!
138/110/90/110/110/30

Vulpix
76/82/80/100/130/130 with Drought

Snubbull !!
120/160/100/80/80/60 with Intimidate

Spritzee
156/104/120/126/130/46

Quagsire/Swampert and other Water/Grounds can stop Darumaka, though I didn't do the calcs for Superpower. Qwuilfish might work too.

 

[EV]

Quagsire/Swampert and other Water/Grounds can stop Darumaka, though I didn't do the calcs for Superpower. Qwuilfish might work too.

Don't forget you can use Ubers... Giratina/Lugia/Ho-oh are still here.

 

[canno]

Marril seems pretty cool. 140/40/100/40/100/80 is pretty good when factoring in Huge Power. Is a pretty good answer to Darumaka as well. In the same vein, Meditite looks solid too. 60/80/110/80/110/120 + Pure Power is pretty good.

Also Voltorb is now the fastest pokemon in the game, sitting at 200 base speed. Voltorb probably isn't that great though, but 110 SpA is ok.

 

[Halliday]

Oh, be sure to post any replays of this metagame you have, as I plan to include them in the second post!

 

[skies]

#2 on the ladder woot. It's really small at the moment, but yeah! I wish I had saved the replay, but I had a battle w/ my boi and I won because Darumake is gud.

 

[Peef Rimgar]

#2 on the ladder woot. It's really small at the moment, but yeah! I wish I had saved the replay, but I had a battle w/ my boi and I won because Darumake is gud.

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/pandora-350cup-882272

There ya go boi

 

[aesf]

If you're looking for a cranidos check, Groudon fits the bill perfectly pretty well, with a life orb sheer force head smash not even 2HKOing after rocks. STAB EQ destroys it.

As for a Darumaka check, Giratina works, taking 28% max from a scarfed flare blitz. It can then phaze it out or cripple it with thunder wave.

Also, while you guys are sitting here talking about stuff like darumaka and foongus and spiritzee, what about the ultimate defog punisher, sticky web abuser Pawniard? It gets 170 base attack, reasonable bulk, defiant, and access to swords dance. It isn't stopped by intimidate and it laughs out loud at other 350 threats with its powerful sucker punch. Run this with a sticky web user, and only predictions can save you.
In fact, just to give an idea of the power:

+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Pawniard Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Foongus: 426-503 (88.7 - 104.7%)
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Pawniard Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Riolu: 274-324 (91 - 107.6%) -- (RESISTED)
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Pawniard Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Medicham: 320-378 (83.9 - 99.2%) -- (THATS 120/150 bulk BTW)

I can see this thing being a potent late game sweeper; once everything bulky has taken a slight bit of damage, it just comes in and ruins your day. The 120 base speed helps a bit too.

 

[TheAmazingFlavio]

OML YES

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Meditite @ Life Orb
Ability: Pure Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Bulk Up
- Bullet Punch
- Drain Punch
- Psycho Cut

Carvanha @ Choice Band
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Waterfall
- Crunch
- Return
- Ice Fang

Bunnelby @ Life Orb
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Wild Charge
- U-turn

Abra @ Choice Specs
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psyshock
- Shadow Ball
- Energy Ball
- Charge Beam

Spritzee @ Leftovers
Ability: Aroma Veil
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
- Wish
- Aromatherapy
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast

Magnemite @ Lagging Tail
Ability: Analytic
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
- Flash Cannon
- Volt Switch
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]

http://prntscr.com/45po2v i'm top ladder now bish

 

[Beta.]

Let me just take you a minute of your time to show you this fuck machine....

Woobat: Simple : HP 110 / Atk 90 / Def 86 / SpA 110 / SpD 86 / Spe 142 / BST 626

With it's speed and simple. Calm mind setting up will make it an unstoppable special set. the only small problem will be it's Defense. Yet don't you worry, roost has that covered. Just let that sink in just a little bit, then get back to me.

Edit: can we just take the moment to realize Krokorok's BST is sadly 351... poor guy
Edit 2.5: didn't read banned items

 

[Uselesscrab]

Let me just take you a minute of your time to show you this fuck machine....

Woobat: Simple : HP 110 / Atk 90 / Def 86 / SpA 110 / SpD 86 / Spe 142 / BST 626

With it's speed and simple. Calm mind setting up will make it an unstoppable special set. the only small problem will be it's Defense. Yet don't you worry, roost has that covered. Just let that sink in just a little bit, then get back to me.

Edit: can we just take the moment to realize Krokorok's BST is sadly 351... poor guy
Edit 2: Pikachu with light ball........

Woobat looks cool, but not much better than Swoobat in standards.

"The items Eviolite, Light Ball, Thick Club, DeepSeaScale, and DeepSeaTooth are banned," by the way, from the OP.

 

[Kit Kasai]

iirc darumaka doesn't have superpower,darmanitan does.

 

[Cazenovia]

My thoughts on this: My money's on that Scraggy could help shape the meta.

Scraggy
100/150/140/70/140/96
With these stats, Scraggy's a well-rounded beast with great bulk, as well as a pretty nice attack stat. As well as it's counters to Abra and Cranidos (dark/fighting, respectively), this Pokemon has access to moves such as High Jump Kick, Foul Play, and Head Smash. Once again, this Pokemon looks like it could wreck this meta.​

 

[xJownage]

besides craniados, darumaka, and abra, which are all ridiculous threats (especially the former two), I am looking for a few mons with extreme attack power. By the way, this will be an EXTREMELY offensive metagame.

Drilbur:
120 170 80 60 90 136
This can definitely be a threat. 170/136 attack / speed is nothing to scoff at, and its good speed means even a banded set is very viable. This thing has a power to be really good, and could be a very good rapid spinner, especially with its great 120/80/90 bulk. Banded versions have an earthquake that will hurt like HELL, and all it really needs is edgequake and coverage moves. I am not sure about its movepool, but this will definitely be a solid pokemon to put alongside darumaka to keep rocks off.

Krabby:
60 210 180 50 50 100
This thing can do a hell of a lot of damage, and really quickly. Base 210 Attack is...well...very good for a poke with 100 speed and 180 defense. Darumaka may be primarily better, but this thing's crabhammer is extremely strong, especially with the lack of bulky resists outside of suicune and a few others it can easily break through with coverage.

Doduo
70 170 90 70 70 150

A poke with great potential with its flying/normal stab has great speed and attack. 170 is great for one of the best stabs in the game, and its 150 speed tier is elite to many of the other "fast" boosted sweepers. It has a disappointing lack of coverage, but its power is very good for its speed tier.

Gastly
60 70 60 200 70 160
Gastly is very powerful with its speed tier, and while some may call it a poor man's abra this thing has a notable typing and decent movepool as well as better diversity and 3 key immunities that allow it to switch in. Has a ghost stab that is near unmatched in power.

Carvana is also a great speed boost abuser, and it has beautiful 180/130/130 offenses. Its defenses still make it frail as fuck, but it really doesn't matter; this thing is an absolute beast that can kill stuff on offense really quickly with stab moves and good coverage.

not much else is going to be all that good. These offensive beasts are so powerful they will easily outclass basically every other pokemon with that role in the tier. If you ban them this will turn into ubers with a few enhanced walls. So really, this metagame is destined to be broken. AND FUN!

pandora.psim.us

 

[Trex]

Let's see...

Koffing looks like a good physical wall. One of the best maybe, with Will-o-Wisp and Pain Split. It has decent attacking options; Fire Blast / Flamethrower, Thunderbolt, Sludge Bomb.
252 Atk Hustle Darumaka Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Koffing in Sun: 253-298 (69.5 - 81.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 SpA Koffing Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Darumaka: 124-147 (29.4 - 34.9%) -- 13.2% chance to 3HKO
Doesn't win against Darumaka though. Know what does?
Litwick; who, if Darumaka is as centralizing as all predicted, has a good niche in the Metagame.
Check it:
Litwick @ Charti Berry / Air Balloon
Quiet Nature (+Spa, -Spe)
252 Spa / 252 Hp / 4 Def
Ivs: 0 Speed
-Flamethrower / Fire Blast
-Shadow Ball
-Trick Room
-Taunt / Energy Ball / Will-o-Wisp / Calm Mind
After some prior damage (which will likely happen due to Rocks + Flare Blitz), a Flash Fire boosted Fire Blast will kill after Trick Room. Charti berry to reduce Rock Slide (is rock slide coverage of choice?)
252+ SpA Litwick Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Darumaka in Sun: 242-285 (57.4 - 67.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Trick Room also has a nice niche in this Meta due to all the speed boosts.

Also, Vibrava:
Solid 100 / 100 / 100 Bulk and 140 Attack / Speed, it can be a better version of what Flygon was in Gen 4.
Vibrava @ Choice Scarf
Jolly / Adamant Nature
252 Att / 252 Spe / 4 Def
-Earthquake
-Superpower
-U-Turn
-Outrage


And Skorupi:
80 / 180 / 110 Bulk with 100 attack and 130 speed.
Support Skorupi @ Leftovers
Careful Nature (+Def, -Spa)
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
-Taunt
-Knock Off
-Whirlwind / Toxic Spikes / Pursuit
-Whirlwind / Toxic Spikes / Pursuit

Trubbish could be best spikes setter?
Double Dancing Axew is new Meta after Fairy/Steel types are gone.