4th gen OU team

Rai777

Hello everybody, this is my first RMT, ive made this team around a week ago and ive been tweaking some things here and there, my team been working out good. However, im sure there are some things I could fix to get it better, so thats why im here :).

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Infernape (M) @ Focus Sash
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 112 Atk / 144 SAtk / 252 Spd
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Stealth Rock
- Overheat
- Fake Out
- Close Combat

I changed my lead Crobat for this guy, since I really want Stealth Rock on the enemy battlefield, Fake Out to keep my sash from other Fake Out leads, I try to get Stealth Rock up after that, and then hit hard as -beep- either with Close Combat or Overheat. Its rare this guy stays for the rest of the battle, but if it does, sure works as sacrifice, or maybe even a good explosion of damage on CC or Overheat!

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Flygon (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- ThunderPunch
- Outrage

Changed my (dear D= ) Mamoswine for this guy, since ive got comments that im having a huge DD Gyarados weakness, someone recommended this, so I tried this guy out and worked very well! ThunderPunch SPECIALLY for Gyarados mwahaha, Outrage for a good chunk of damage and STAB, sadly leaving me open for revenge kill sometimes, EQ as a good STAB as well and nice coverage, and finally U-Turn because, since my Crobat had U-Turn and hes gone now, I wanted another good scout for my team, so here it is!

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Gliscor (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Hyper Cutter
EVs: 116 HP / 40 Atk / 224 Def / 108 SDef / 20 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Taunt
- Roost
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge

Allright so, I would like opinions on this defensive core I want to try out, including two of my favourite pokemons! :) Gliscor+Vaporeon, Gliscor takes electric attacks towards Vappy, while grass is neutral, and Vappy takes Ice attacks like a beast, and will gladly come in for some water heal!
Ok now about Gliscor itself, Im not really good at EV spread, I know it may seem weird and I would gladly take help there ^.^, as you see, those are defensively EVs, with a little of speed so I can outspeed...something, worked sometimes, actually, anyways. To make it a more defensive Gliscor, I added Taunt and Roost, Taunt stops loads of pokes from setting up, and then Gliscor takes their unboosted hits really well (physically, for the most part), Roost to keep its health, and sometimes to remove its Flying weakness! Two attacks with excellent coverage, thats all I need!

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Scizor (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Technician
EVs: 220 HP / 104 Atk / 112 Def / 72 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- Roost
- Brick Break
- Swords Dance

Ahh...Always loved this guy. Bullet Punch, I think everyone knows about this. Changed my Scizor a bit, only change was Pursuit, now I have Roost instead. Since I want a Bulky Swords Dance Scizor, Roost helps a lot when my opponent doesnt expect it, and Brick Break and Bullet Punch covers quite nicely, except Gyarados, Zapdos, and cant think of more right now. The EV spread makes me bulky enough to SD safely, and Roost away my damage, while having some good attack EVs so I can fire off a bullet punch right away if needed.

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Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 188 HP / 68 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Wish
- Toxic
- Heal Bell
- Surf

Vaporeon is here to take special hits aaaaall the day, when this guy enters the battlefield, I Wish right now, so I can heal myself later, or even my team mates, Toxic to stall and deal with some walls wich may affect my team, who will eventually retreat thanks to Toxic, Heal Bell because my team dont really like status, Vaporeon doesnt like Toxic, nor Gliscor, Scizor hates Burns and paralyzis, Flygon hates burns too, etc, so it helps quite a lot! Finally Surf for a nice, STAB attack, simply enough haha.
188HP to maximize leftovers recovery, and lets me have some EVs on Def as well.
No changes on this pokemon, except that now im trying a defensive core along Gliscor, Heal Bell can get away some nasty Poison or Burn from Gliscor as well, but I would like recommendations here, im sure this core can be succesful, but theres SOMETHING bugging me about Vappy, oh well, help please :)?

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Jolteon (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Grass]

Changed my Scarf Infernape for this Jolteon, wich works quite nicely! Substitute when my opponent gets scared by Jolteon, Thunderbolt for a powerful, STAB move, and hidden power grass for coverage and surprizing Swampert and cool coverage! But ive been thinking if I should replace it for Hidden Power Ice... anyways. Finally, Baton Pass to scout (Sometimes) AND, this is the cool part :D, if I sub up, and the oponent brings something I cant beat, for example, Blissey, I baton pass away, giving me either: A free Sub for another of my pokemon, OR a free change wohoo!

Sumarizing:

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Suicide Lead, Fake out, Stealth Rock.

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Choice scarf, revenge killer, scout, fast killer!

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Physical wall, Taunt, being tested as a defensive core along Vaporeon, one of my favourites pokes haha.

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Special wall, Wish and Heal Bell support, Toxic stall, being tested as a defensive core along Gliscor, one of my fave pokes too!

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Bulky Swords Dance Scizor, works as revenge killer as well.

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Substitute special sweeper, can baton pass Subs as well.

Thanks for the help in advance :)! And sorry if I forgot any RMT rules, its my first one (and sorry about my not 100% perfect english).
 
Huh, replace Lefties with Shed Shell on Scizor and you might have a decent item clause team. Your Rotom also seems very strange.
 
Wow..this is certainly an original team...anyways, here's a quick review and a quick rate.

I like your idea on using Crobat as you lead..certainly been a while since i saw him perform that role but you might wanna think briefly about using Roost because that can make your rather fragile Crobat susceptible to Earth Power and Earthquake.

As for your Mamoswine description..write something other than Dragon Killer. My guess is, describe something other than Ice Shard, Choice Band and EV spreads..for example, what his alternate attacks are for?

and your Bulky Scizor, may i suggest Roost over Pursuit and Life Orb over Leftovers? Life Orb damage will screw you but Roost can help you cope with it. What've you got to lose anyway?

Vaporeon set is good..I use the same set so i can honestly tell you...that he also makes for a good Dragon Killer...if he ever comes on a Choice Dragon-type...he might or might not be able to force a switch in which you can come in with either Rotom or Infernape...how is that possible? I'll let you figure out..

Also, if you wanna make your Infernape a SR Lead take out that Choice Scarf, and a quick lecture.. Choice Scarf leads work on bulky Pokemon (such as Uxie) with Trick...enabling them to force a switch but for frail Pokemon like Infernape you might want to deliberate on something like this:

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Infernape (M) @ Focus Sash
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 252 SpA, 252 Spe
Naive/Hasty Nature
-Vaccum Wave
-Endeavor
-Stealth Rock
-Overheat

because this set focuses on setting up Stealth Rock, getting a STAB Overheat if possible, hanging on to Focus Sash, using Endeavor to effectively bring an opponent to 1 HP, and finishing it with Vacuum Wave. This might not work if an opponent is bring a Hail or Sandstorm team so you might want to go with a Fake Out.

As for Rotom-H, i have no further suggestions..ill let you figure it out.
 
@ min_min Hm...no thanks, I dont see anything wrong with having 2 leftovers haha, and yea my Rotom IS weird :P.
@ AlcadeiasX
Crobat: well...roost is to keep him healthy, wich is useful for later on, and most of the time they wont try and risk an EQ or EP to land it on Crobat while Roosting, and its good to recover more than normal because of losing Flying weakness.
Scizor: I will try that, that way when I dont have time to SD, at least il hit hard, and I will still have recovery.
Infernape: I would gladly use that, but the opponent probably will have up SR, breaking my sash, besides, that will leave me without a reliable mixed sweeper.
EDIT: Also, without Choice Scarf ThunderPunch Infernape, I would lose my Gyarados counter.
Rotom-H: ...D:

Well, I think I need help fitting somewhere a mixed sweeper, SR, and help with Rotom-W?
 
looking at your team i see a potential weakness you have three choice users on your team. thats not a bad thing in itself but it means your going to be switching your poke in and out a lot to counter what you enemy brings in. so entry hazards might be an issue for you. that being said i think that a bulky rapid spinner would work well...

scratch that in place of infernape run a choice scarf starmie, it would still work as a counter for gyrados with a STAB thunderbolt plus it has the speed to beat him

Starmie @ Choice Scarf Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Rapid Spin
- Trick


something like this might work well just a thought though
 
@ jgiovanni89 Thanks for the suggestion, il think about it but later, im really sleepy xD, one comment thou, you said a bulky spinner, and how is that starmie set you said bulky o.0? anyways im off to sleep.
 
Hey, if you want to stick with that Infernape, I think it makes a lot more sense to put in SD and get rid of Stealth Rock (if you think you'll be able to get that free turn), while using Life Orb instead of the Scarf. I really don't see why you'd waste a Scarfer by giving them Stealth Rock.
ScarfApe is a pretty cool idea, since you can get the slip on Starmie, Gengar, etc., but I think you should remove Stealth Rock for U-turn, since you always want a Scarfed Pokemon to be able to scout its counters to avoid giving away free turns.

If you go with LeadApe, the set previously suggested is good, or you could also go with Choice Scarf + Trick, which is a rare moveset that can put a lot of leads off-guard, crippling them, like Swampert and Hippowdon, though you also risk being KOd.

This means you'll probably do away with Crobat, and in its place, you'll want something that can put up entry hazards, do quick damage, and take hits. A good candidate for this is Gliscor. I'm a little busy right now so I'll let you choose a moveset of your own :P

You should Scarf Rotom and run Tbolt over Shadow Ball so you can still counter +1 Gyarados.
 
@ AlcadeiasX, gah, so hard to take a decision xD, check answer below.
@ jdesai927 I already run SD on my scizor, but I have the ape because I wanted a mixed sweeper. About Gliscor, I though about him several times but...I dont know if its because Il miss my Crobat good work he was been doing, or simply his very good at what he is doing!
Between Crobat and Gliscor is quite a hard decition.
Good idea about Scarf Rotom, il change Specs for Scarf, and get TB to counter +1gyarados, however...how many EVs on speed I would need to outspeed it?
 
Depends on the Gyarados variant, but to be safe you should max out speed.
Edit: Sorry not max, I'm not sure, but you'll need close to max with a +ve nature, since you'll need to outspeed max speed Jolly Gyarados, so you'll need around 285.
 
Immediately, I see this team having major problems with dragon dance Gyarados as your main check to it, Infernape is also your revenge killer and seeing as it loses 12.5% of its HP upon each switch in (if the opponent has stealth rock up), it may not be able to revenge kill Gyarados if your opponent uses it as a late game sweeper. Along with Gyarados your team is weak to a couple of other Pokemon as well, like bulky offensive steel types, most notably Metagross (agility variants, to be precise). First of all, i suggest you replace Mamoswine with a choice scarf Flygon as not only can it handle dragons like Dragonite when they are at +1, Flygon can also help deal with Gyarados as well as keep up momentum for your team. With Flygon handling Gyarados, Infernape is not needed as a revenge killer so either replacing the variant with a mixed/set-up set or moving it to the lead position (and replacing Crobat with either the stallbreaker or the nasty plot set) would be best.
 
Shadow Ball on Rotom-H is just set up bait for many Pokémon. Thunderbolt should replace it as it is the superior STAB and it OHKOs Gyarados, whom your team has immense troubles with after 1 DD
 
Shnoogle said:
Shadow Ball on Rotom-H is just set up bait for many Pokémon. Thunderbolt should replace it as it is the superior STAB and it OHKOs Gyarados, whom your team has immense troubles with after 1 DD
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meh
thats the thing about rotoms though
theyre always choiced
and both stabs have immunities
 
Sorry I was out for some days, reason of why I havent answered.
@ Shnoogle, Il probably keep it, or just put thunderbolt on it, but its not a big worry right now, since il change my mamoswine for a scarf flygon for gyarados and stuff, thanks though!
@ Aerrow, Il take your suggestion, il change mamo (il miss him though ;__;) for Choice Scarf Flygon, should I add Thunder Punch for gyarados? or just stone edge him?
About Crobat...I think hes doing an amazing work as for now, and I never liked the Nasty Plot set D:, and finally about the ape, check below.

By the way, about what Aerrow said I was thinking about a possibility of a defensive core=Vaporeon and Gliscor? Vappy weakness are covered by Gliscor, except for grass wich is neutral, Gliscor have Taunt, and Stealth Rock, wich im lacking in my team, Vappy could still Heal Bell and/or Wish, and covers Gliscor weakness pretty well. I would want opinions and help if I could and should fit that core in my team please.
 
This team is... unique. 1 quick suggestion.
1: As you've probably heard already, Rotom-H is a good pokemon, just not the way ur using it. With Evs invested in SpA then defenses itll work, but w/o any ev's, overheat just doesn't have that complete kick necessary for it to stop people in its tracks like its inteneded to. Even then, after using it, you will NEED to switch cause then u really wont be able to damage after the SpA drop. Honestly, if you're looking for a tank, you'd do better in replacing rotomh with a dusknoir or something, because he take hits better, still has will-o-wisp, is better for synergy, and he has less weaknesses. Just a suggestion.
 
Oh, also, you're team would be wrecked by a strong rock type (especially with SR up) Maybe an Aerodactyl? with stone edge/earthquake. He's faster than everyone and u have no real counter besides Vaporeon, but with SR up and a Life orb, he'd rip throught that too.
 
Infernape really shouldn't be your Stealth Rock user, seeing as it has a Scarf. I recommend adding Stealth Rock on Mamoswine and using a non-CB set. Alternatively, you could go with a CB Crobat + Lum Metagross lead duo, which works nicely against most opposing leads. With this change, Infernape could do with some moveset changes. Replace Stealth Rock with HP Ice to revenge kill Dragons, and Thunderpunch with U-turn to scout opposing teams and maintain momentum. Infernape really doesn't need Thunderpunch on a Scarf set, seeing as it can't switch directly into Gyarados anyway.

Specs Rotom has no use without Special Attack investment. I think you should just switch it to a standard Scarf set, which will help you deal with DD Gyarados and SD Lucario, two major threats to this team.
 
Added major changes to my team, would be glad for some advice, specially on my Gliscor+Vaporeon defensive core, many thanks!
P.S: Yea ive been playing with this tweaked team as well, but I would still like some help please! :)
 
What else may i suggest..hmmmm....Bulky DDDos weakness covered..Smart choice using Wish Support Vaporeon and Bulky Gliscor in their respective professions...Aeroadactyl weakness checked...but now i see a Rotom-A hole..Will-O-Wisping will cripple 5 of your 'mons(if calculations serve right), and only Vaporeon can stand up to the job (since Bulky Rotom eats Thunderbolt or HP Grass from Jolteon, although nice to see 2 Eon brothers functioning a defense.), Oh and potential walling by Moonlight Cresselia...(Which can be eliminated with careful RoostDance Scizor Bullet Punch combo, which thank you for considering by the way.)...but let me say this...i've used this team not-so-long-ago..(with a few tweaks o'course.) and i can honestly say this...Tweak this a little more toward it's weakness and it's pretty much synergy mine...Oh and the irony of a Pokemon you once used now utilizing a freaking huge threat against you..Also, Crobat side might be good since Super Fang can force damage no matter what...but allow me to say this at the least...you need a wallbreaker..what am i talking about? Allow me to ellaborate..ScarfGon is a good Gon but not quite as much as a wallbreaker also your team needs to lean toward Item Clause more..as such..consider the following:

A.Put a Yache Berry on Gliscor, not only does roosting reduce the Sting from Ice-Type attacks, your Gliscor is Physical based (meaning taking Ice Beam after Stealth Rock damage will pretty much dent him.) and packing a Yache Berry means you can live an Ice Beam (and if you haven't took SR damage yet..maybe a non-powered up Blizzard.)
and proceed to revenge kill the user while Roosting on the switches..petty, eh?

B.Consider Flygon's wallbreaking cousin, Dragonite as your wallbreaker/mixed sweeper..not only does the set i'm about to suggest over Flygon crush Rotom threats..it can also be a clean 4-0 under right circumstances and that's not to say the Item Clause improvement helps..Anyways...WALLBREAK!:

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Dragonite @ Lum Berry
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs:56 Atk, 200 SAtk, 252 Spd
Hasty Nature
- Superpower
- Flamethrower
- Thunderbolt
- Draco Meteor

The deal is..this Dnite set not only gets full support from a SubBPass from Jolteon(yes, i'm looking at Trickscarfers and Thunder Wavers thank you very much.) which he can make full utilization of..but he also gets muy excellente type coverage as well as breaking the most common walls to your team..Superpower, Flamethrower, Thunderbolt and the ever so power Draco Meteor..you can break Rotom walls..and possibly, with a adequate support from his teammates..sweep his opponent's team..sounds good, eh?

As for everything else, there's nothing more i can suggest..I'll leave the rest up to you.. Good Luck!
 
Sounds like a good idea, AlcadeiasX, but, without my Flygon, I would be open to DDDos again right? You say I have that weakness checked, but without Flygon im open to it again?
 
Oh...my apologies..i failed to ellaborate what more of Wallbreaking DNite capabilities are..and no, unless you like to spam Draco Meteor a whole freaking lot you have nonscarfed Gyarados checked, With Dragonite's Thunderbolt and a SubBPass support from Jolteon..even bulky DDDos(which means Dragon Dance Gyarados Bulky and non-Bulky alike.) will get obliterated by Thunderbolt also..speaking of Gyarados check..you can try a SubThunderbolt from Jolteon..it's gonna be forced to switch because as i have said...you have Dragon Dance Dos checked hands down..so, add in Dragonite over Flygon tweak a couple more tricks and you have half every threat covered..you're good to go...or...if you would prefer two wallbreakers (although the other can also serve as a revenge killer/scout but not as well as the actual wallbreaker.) keep the Flygon, add the Dragonite opt for something which can sponge both Physical and Special attacks (Vaporeon can perform that and ALSO Wish Support with a few tweaks here and there.). So, sound good? Here's more suggestions.

uh...do note that Dragonite's Lum Berry adds up to it's Imperviousness...despite it's immunity to Fake Out Infernape (which therefore makes it an awesome anti-lead as Flygon would be an awesome Revenge Killer.)...it won't get easily crippled by Thunder Waving..although you can patch it up with by again, BPassing Subs or if you feel like spamming Draco Meteor, a White Herb can take it's place..trust me..it works. Also, might i also suggest an Underused Pokemon as a Special and Physical wall? (In which you can keep both Flygon and Dragonite and therefore threaten Rotom with half your team also courtesy of Flygon.) If so, here's a Uxie set which can utilize a wall through it's awesome defenses..decent HP and even decent speed:

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Uxie @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP, 56 Atk, 100 SAtk, 100 Spd
Serious Nature
- Yawn/Thunder Wave
- Stealth Rock/Thunderbolt
- Psychic
- U-turn

This can really make for an awesome wall/tank..if used appropriately, in my opinion(and in accordance to your team.) overshadows the much loved Cresselia even though he lacks the insta-recover move which Cresselia has(as well as the Wish Support your Vaporeon provides.) he can still prove to be awesome if you give him a chance or if you would prefer a Lead Uxie...change Infernape into MixApe so your team has that "Balanced" feel you're looking for oh, and just for the fun and somewhat usefulness of it..Here's a couple of calculation results showing checked threats you were worried about:

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-(Bulky Dragon Dancing Gyarados) Uh..yeah right...you'd have to be a fool not to notice how to kill this thing, half your team screams: shock that overgrown water worm..dragon..thing!

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- Trickscarf Variants: This normally comes against your entry hazard setter so switch in your Dragonite or Flygon and watch it's Trickscarf work to it's disadvantage and that's not to say you can't simply imply a supporting BPass strategy to stop it dead in it's tracks (in case it switches in on Jolteon.)

- Status Variants: You can expect this on Infernape, Flygon or Scizor so immediately switch in either a Lum Berry Dragonite or just prepare to revenge kill or wallbreak but again SubBPassing Jolteon is a popular counter.

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- Walls: Swords Dancing Scizor can destroy it with Relative ease..especially since Life Orb + Swords Dance + Roost + Bullet Punch + Technician will hit a non-Dual Screen for say 40.1 - 47.8 % at the least after a Swords Dance, an estimated 60 - 71 % after two and at least 80 % (and at most, 90 %) after three and mind you that doesn't even include Life Orb calculations. Which literally means you can 3HKO Screening Variants and speaking of which..put Superpower over Brick Break..because even the attack decrease won't matter.

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- Physical Walls: as mentioned above, 1HKO with your Special Attacker or.. 2HKO with Superpower Scizor after Swords Dance - Life Orb boosts..

How come i never put this much thought into my teams? Eh, it'll come around since i make teams from scratch..anyway good luck with your team!
 
Um, AlcadeiasX, I replaced my Scarfgon with that DNite set you told me...it TOTALLY didnt work x.x, DDDos is still a weakness, if I change to my DNite, in the change, he would have +1, and totally kill me with stone edge, even a non DD killed me right away with stone edge! Gliscor can handle it, but will take a huge chunk of damage in the way, and thats IF stone edge gets to hit, im going back to my Flygon.
 
I've found out that maybe I should replace Jolteon, any suggestions? I was thinking of a wall-breaking Dragonite instead of Jolteon, but then il have 3 pokes weak to ice x4, halp!
 
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