5th Gen Pokemon Don't Obey Me
Note: I'm open to all advice and criticism, I want to get better at this game and understand how it works. Any help is always appreciated.
Team backstory: Okay so, if anyone was wondering, I got the title for this team because I haven't played this game competitively since Gen 4, before HG/SS. Every time I try to use the new Pokemon of the generation, I fail. For some reason my brain just can't grasp it, every time I finish playing I just get this weird urge to tune onto the weather channel. I had a vacation planned but it was too rainy with a sleight chance of hurricane winds at 109 mph and my flight got cancelled, oh well. I then decided to make a team that would do well against weather, and I got this out of it, the team got me a decent record and high 1700s in PS, which is good for someone who didn't play in so long I guess. Well, to the team =]
Rotom-Wash @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 Spd, 252 SpA, 8 Def
Nature: Timid
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Trick
- Hidden Power Ice
I love Rotom-W, I find it to be one of the best leads right now in OU. It fits so well in this team as its only weakness is resisted by 4 of my 5 other Pokemon. Against Politoed leads, you can Volt Switch and get a great outcome no matter what happens barring a Ground or Volt Absorb switch in. Thanks to team viewer, you can stay in and Hydro Pump or HP Ice if you see a lot of bad switch-in possibilities. I almost never ever Trick on the first turn because this team has so few answers to common threats like CM Lati and even Blissey can get annoying if Breloom faints, plus Reuniclus can get bad too. I like having 8 defense EVs to force Genesects Download to increase its special attack. (I sacrificed some speed to do this because I really dont need 252 and a scarfon this. Anything that would outspeed me is going to anyway.) Back to the Genesect matchup...Thunderbolt and Ice Beam after a boost is easily taken and I can Volt Switch out, doing what its supposed to do best. In comes Heatran or another Pokemon for a nice start to the game. Against Ninetales leads Volt Switch is the better option over Hydro Pump due to Sunlight, and it does a decent amount of damage and Heatran or Mence come right in. Tyranitars are kinda annoying, if they setup SR, volting to Breloom almost guarentees that something is snoozing. In the late game, Rotom is still very capable of sweeping or revenge killing. It is an all around good Pokemon that I really can't play without anymore.
Heatran @ Shed Shell
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 240 Spd, 252 SpA, 16 HP
Nature: Timid
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power Ice
- Stealth Rock
- Earth Power
This thing, omg this thing <3. Well Ill tell you what, I hate dugtrio, I really do. I know that I can use Air Balloon, but Im really bad at this game and it always goes away to mispredicting or some other factor. In other words in my opinion, its not as consistent as this. Magnezone needs a scarf to outspeed it, thats not the big threat, its those moles, three little moles. But yeah in all seriousness, Genesect + Dugtrio is all the rage these days and when I switch in Heatran into Genesect and get hit by U-turn, its basically dead without Shed Shell as Air Balloon pops. In my experience its either going to set up rocks if it still has its sash or EQ if it doesnt. But I really dont like 50/50s and Im switching out most of the time. I can go to Rotom, Celebi, Breloom, or Mence (If I previously had Rocks up to break a possible sash), to take Earthquake I have options. This walking Volcano sets up Stealth Rock for me, it switches into dragons only to HP ice them, and is really good against sun teams, which I really hate facing, a lot. Also this thing is so good vs Venusaur if its not using Earthquake, I gotta scout some to find out of course.
Salamence @ Expert Belt
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 252 Spd, 252 Atk, 4 SpA
Nature: Naive
- Fire Blast
- Dragon Claw/Brick Break
- Outrage
- Earthquake
Yeah I know its a very standard set. But its a set you don't see much nowadays. Only 2.5% of Salamence ran Expert Belt last month. Since my team doesn't have a Magnezone or Dugtrio to help my Dragons sweep, I guess ill do the next best thing. Let the dragons eliminate their counters and then sweep =]. Basic lure set here, I'm sort of stuck between Dragon Claw and Brick Break. In my opinion the worst thing about me related to Pokemon is I'm terrible at picking the proper moveset to aid my team as a whole. It just seems like Fire Blast is enough, and Outrage does the rest, but I'm wrong, because in practice it barely works. I like Dragon Claw if I want to "scout" with it, but s I imple prediction can reward you with another move slot in the form of Brick Break for ultimate coverage. Naive nature is obvious here and the spread is completely standard. I usually dont like being in positions of a speed tie, as it can mean I have a 50% chance to win this game, and I don't like playing that way. I feel the best way to play is to always have a better chance to win then your opponent throughout the game. If you go with a 50/50 chance, you are admitting to yourself "this may be my best or only chance of winning, I'm gonna go for it". (An example was Garchomp vs Garchomp both using outrage in gen 4) Its not for me. However in this case I like having max speed since there are a lot of situations I dont mind if I lose it, like vs Volcarona, Ninetales, Hydreigon, or some Jirachis. Even if you get hit first, its often not a big deal and you hit them back for far more damage. Also just gotta say it, sometimes when you lure a steel type only to be fire blasted, they just leave the game, its hilarious and fun.
Starmie @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP, 28 SpA, 228 Spd
Nature: Timid
- Scald
- Psyshock
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
Starmie's Gem in the middle of its body is a reflection of how cut...um valuable it is. I need a rapid spinner on the team, its that simple. If I use a Pokemon that is weak to rock a rapid spinner is right by its side. I like Scald as I really aren't spreading any status with this team other then Spore. The fact he recovers means more Scalds will be used, and Pokes will be burned. It helps with Blissey too, as Psyshock does fair damage and combined with the burn, you can beat Blissey with a critical hit. If it uses a status move like Thunder Wave, you can always switch to Breloom forcing its switch. I like to just wait until Im playing really frusterating switching back and forth from Celebi to Starmie wasting its PP. Then when he is obviously going to go for recovery, in comes the Breloom. 228 Speed lets you outspeed Tornadus if its not scarfed, this lets me have more SpA EVs which are very important for beating Blissey if it comes down to it. The bulk here is simply for extra leftovers recovery, and because I REALLY want Starmie around as long as possible as hes almost needed to survive against some Infernapes. Their U-Turn doesnt hurt too much and their other moves do very little after recovering with leftovers.
Breloom @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Spd, 252 Atk, 4 HP
Nature: Jolly
- Bullet Seed
- Spore
- Mach Punch
- Low Sweep
I honestly don't understand why more people dont use this. They need 2 counters on their team to beat it, and even then their team got opened up for my other Pokemon now because one is having some nice dreams. I was a huge fan of the SubPunch set in gen 4, I tried it in BW2 and it still works however I think priority is far more important now, so I went with this set. For the Pokemon itself, its standard, I dont see a reason not to have it standard either. The only thing about this is its item, is Life Orb the way to go? Or perhaps maybe I should use Choice Band, I'm not entirely sure. The thing I love most about Breloom in relation to this team is its typing. It helps take ground moves towards Heatran, Grass moves towards Rotom or Starmie, and Electric or Dark attacks aimed at Starmie. I feel Jolly is manditory to help outspeed things with Low Sweep as they come in. After SR and a Low Sweep speed drop, you can KO many flying types that would otherwise counter you. Nothing else to say here other then this is the number one Pokemon I got the most rage messages from, so that must mean its pretty good.
Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 36 Spd, 252 SpA, 220 HP
Nature: Modest
- Recover
- Hidden Power Fire
- Grass Knot
- Psychic/Thunder Wave
Completing CeleTran, classic. Its kinda obvious that I would use this in a 4th gen Pokemon team, I mean this duo has been popular since Heatran existed. I have a fairly standard set on this Pokemon, however I am open to change as Celebi's versatility isso high that I'm sure there is a better set I could be running. Recover is manditory unless Giga Drain is better then I think it is. Hidden Power Fire is great vs Ferrothorn which I hate seeing. Psychic is a stab attacking move to go with Grass Knot.Grass Knot overall has a higher base power then Giga Drain in this metagame right now, however I don't know if its worth losing the HP gain from it. I could use U-turn on this to have VoltTurn action going on, or use a status move like Thunder Wave or Toxic,maybe some Leech Seed? Earth Power is also a surprise against Heatran switchins and Fire Types like Ninetales coming in. My spread maximizes on attack power, my Speed EVs gives me enough speed to beat out Adamant Breloom, any nonscarf Tyranitar, and many others that would otherwise be an issue.
Team threats:
Reuniclus: If it sets up CM, I pretty much have to trick it or hope my outrages are enough, sure I can put it to sleep but this Pokemon is a tough one.
CM Lati@s: Another setup Pokemon that can be a huge issue. I don't have any dark moves on my team and the only Dragon moves come from a Pokemon that is slower then both. I need to trick this down as well, Breloom can't even put it to sleep safely.
Gengar: This Pokemon is immune to the only priority move my team has, I can't switch in Rotom to outspeed safely. Starmie can't switch into a Shadow Ball. Celebi loses to it, Breloom loses, Heatran can beat it if it doesnt have or hit me with 2 focus blasts.
Thunderus: Volt Absorb is so good to switch into my Rotom with, if I see one on their team I think of just using Hydro Pump off the start. I really cant switch into it safely either with grass Pokemon as its also flying type.
Jolteon: I can't switch into this, even if I do, they can volt switch out. Shadow Ball is good for Celebi and Volt Switch/Thunder hits the rest of my team. Heatran is bulky enough to take a hit from it but then it gets 2hkod by Rain + Thunder. I dont know what do do for this.
Thanks for viewing my team, I hope its not too boring to read and you guys can help make it better however possible. =]
Note: I'm open to all advice and criticism, I want to get better at this game and understand how it works. Any help is always appreciated.
Team backstory: Okay so, if anyone was wondering, I got the title for this team because I haven't played this game competitively since Gen 4, before HG/SS. Every time I try to use the new Pokemon of the generation, I fail. For some reason my brain just can't grasp it, every time I finish playing I just get this weird urge to tune onto the weather channel. I had a vacation planned but it was too rainy with a sleight chance of hurricane winds at 109 mph and my flight got cancelled, oh well. I then decided to make a team that would do well against weather, and I got this out of it, the team got me a decent record and high 1700s in PS, which is good for someone who didn't play in so long I guess. Well, to the team =]
Rotom-Wash @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 Spd, 252 SpA, 8 Def
Nature: Timid
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Trick
- Hidden Power Ice
I love Rotom-W, I find it to be one of the best leads right now in OU. It fits so well in this team as its only weakness is resisted by 4 of my 5 other Pokemon. Against Politoed leads, you can Volt Switch and get a great outcome no matter what happens barring a Ground or Volt Absorb switch in. Thanks to team viewer, you can stay in and Hydro Pump or HP Ice if you see a lot of bad switch-in possibilities. I almost never ever Trick on the first turn because this team has so few answers to common threats like CM Lati and even Blissey can get annoying if Breloom faints, plus Reuniclus can get bad too. I like having 8 defense EVs to force Genesects Download to increase its special attack. (I sacrificed some speed to do this because I really dont need 252 and a scarfon this. Anything that would outspeed me is going to anyway.) Back to the Genesect matchup...Thunderbolt and Ice Beam after a boost is easily taken and I can Volt Switch out, doing what its supposed to do best. In comes Heatran or another Pokemon for a nice start to the game. Against Ninetales leads Volt Switch is the better option over Hydro Pump due to Sunlight, and it does a decent amount of damage and Heatran or Mence come right in. Tyranitars are kinda annoying, if they setup SR, volting to Breloom almost guarentees that something is snoozing. In the late game, Rotom is still very capable of sweeping or revenge killing. It is an all around good Pokemon that I really can't play without anymore.
Heatran @ Shed Shell
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 240 Spd, 252 SpA, 16 HP
Nature: Timid
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power Ice
- Stealth Rock
- Earth Power
This thing, omg this thing <3. Well Ill tell you what, I hate dugtrio, I really do. I know that I can use Air Balloon, but Im really bad at this game and it always goes away to mispredicting or some other factor. In other words in my opinion, its not as consistent as this. Magnezone needs a scarf to outspeed it, thats not the big threat, its those moles, three little moles. But yeah in all seriousness, Genesect + Dugtrio is all the rage these days and when I switch in Heatran into Genesect and get hit by U-turn, its basically dead without Shed Shell as Air Balloon pops. In my experience its either going to set up rocks if it still has its sash or EQ if it doesnt. But I really dont like 50/50s and Im switching out most of the time. I can go to Rotom, Celebi, Breloom, or Mence (If I previously had Rocks up to break a possible sash), to take Earthquake I have options. This walking Volcano sets up Stealth Rock for me, it switches into dragons only to HP ice them, and is really good against sun teams, which I really hate facing, a lot. Also this thing is so good vs Venusaur if its not using Earthquake, I gotta scout some to find out of course.
Salamence @ Expert Belt
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 252 Spd, 252 Atk, 4 SpA
Nature: Naive
- Fire Blast
- Dragon Claw/Brick Break
- Outrage
- Earthquake
Yeah I know its a very standard set. But its a set you don't see much nowadays. Only 2.5% of Salamence ran Expert Belt last month. Since my team doesn't have a Magnezone or Dugtrio to help my Dragons sweep, I guess ill do the next best thing. Let the dragons eliminate their counters and then sweep =]. Basic lure set here, I'm sort of stuck between Dragon Claw and Brick Break. In my opinion the worst thing about me related to Pokemon is I'm terrible at picking the proper moveset to aid my team as a whole. It just seems like Fire Blast is enough, and Outrage does the rest, but I'm wrong, because in practice it barely works. I like Dragon Claw if I want to "scout" with it, but s I imple prediction can reward you with another move slot in the form of Brick Break for ultimate coverage. Naive nature is obvious here and the spread is completely standard. I usually dont like being in positions of a speed tie, as it can mean I have a 50% chance to win this game, and I don't like playing that way. I feel the best way to play is to always have a better chance to win then your opponent throughout the game. If you go with a 50/50 chance, you are admitting to yourself "this may be my best or only chance of winning, I'm gonna go for it". (An example was Garchomp vs Garchomp both using outrage in gen 4) Its not for me. However in this case I like having max speed since there are a lot of situations I dont mind if I lose it, like vs Volcarona, Ninetales, Hydreigon, or some Jirachis. Even if you get hit first, its often not a big deal and you hit them back for far more damage. Also just gotta say it, sometimes when you lure a steel type only to be fire blasted, they just leave the game, its hilarious and fun.
Starmie @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP, 28 SpA, 228 Spd
Nature: Timid
- Scald
- Psyshock
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
Starmie's Gem in the middle of its body is a reflection of how cut...um valuable it is. I need a rapid spinner on the team, its that simple. If I use a Pokemon that is weak to rock a rapid spinner is right by its side. I like Scald as I really aren't spreading any status with this team other then Spore. The fact he recovers means more Scalds will be used, and Pokes will be burned. It helps with Blissey too, as Psyshock does fair damage and combined with the burn, you can beat Blissey with a critical hit. If it uses a status move like Thunder Wave, you can always switch to Breloom forcing its switch. I like to just wait until Im playing really frusterating switching back and forth from Celebi to Starmie wasting its PP. Then when he is obviously going to go for recovery, in comes the Breloom. 228 Speed lets you outspeed Tornadus if its not scarfed, this lets me have more SpA EVs which are very important for beating Blissey if it comes down to it. The bulk here is simply for extra leftovers recovery, and because I REALLY want Starmie around as long as possible as hes almost needed to survive against some Infernapes. Their U-Turn doesnt hurt too much and their other moves do very little after recovering with leftovers.
Breloom @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Spd, 252 Atk, 4 HP
Nature: Jolly
- Bullet Seed
- Spore
- Mach Punch
- Low Sweep
I honestly don't understand why more people dont use this. They need 2 counters on their team to beat it, and even then their team got opened up for my other Pokemon now because one is having some nice dreams. I was a huge fan of the SubPunch set in gen 4, I tried it in BW2 and it still works however I think priority is far more important now, so I went with this set. For the Pokemon itself, its standard, I dont see a reason not to have it standard either. The only thing about this is its item, is Life Orb the way to go? Or perhaps maybe I should use Choice Band, I'm not entirely sure. The thing I love most about Breloom in relation to this team is its typing. It helps take ground moves towards Heatran, Grass moves towards Rotom or Starmie, and Electric or Dark attacks aimed at Starmie. I feel Jolly is manditory to help outspeed things with Low Sweep as they come in. After SR and a Low Sweep speed drop, you can KO many flying types that would otherwise counter you. Nothing else to say here other then this is the number one Pokemon I got the most rage messages from, so that must mean its pretty good.
Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 36 Spd, 252 SpA, 220 HP
Nature: Modest
- Recover
- Hidden Power Fire
- Grass Knot
- Psychic/Thunder Wave
Completing CeleTran, classic. Its kinda obvious that I would use this in a 4th gen Pokemon team, I mean this duo has been popular since Heatran existed. I have a fairly standard set on this Pokemon, however I am open to change as Celebi's versatility isso high that I'm sure there is a better set I could be running. Recover is manditory unless Giga Drain is better then I think it is. Hidden Power Fire is great vs Ferrothorn which I hate seeing. Psychic is a stab attacking move to go with Grass Knot.Grass Knot overall has a higher base power then Giga Drain in this metagame right now, however I don't know if its worth losing the HP gain from it. I could use U-turn on this to have VoltTurn action going on, or use a status move like Thunder Wave or Toxic,maybe some Leech Seed? Earth Power is also a surprise against Heatran switchins and Fire Types like Ninetales coming in. My spread maximizes on attack power, my Speed EVs gives me enough speed to beat out Adamant Breloom, any nonscarf Tyranitar, and many others that would otherwise be an issue.
Team threats:
Reuniclus: If it sets up CM, I pretty much have to trick it or hope my outrages are enough, sure I can put it to sleep but this Pokemon is a tough one.
CM Lati@s: Another setup Pokemon that can be a huge issue. I don't have any dark moves on my team and the only Dragon moves come from a Pokemon that is slower then both. I need to trick this down as well, Breloom can't even put it to sleep safely.
Gengar: This Pokemon is immune to the only priority move my team has, I can't switch in Rotom to outspeed safely. Starmie can't switch into a Shadow Ball. Celebi loses to it, Breloom loses, Heatran can beat it if it doesnt have or hit me with 2 focus blasts.
Thunderus: Volt Absorb is so good to switch into my Rotom with, if I see one on their team I think of just using Hydro Pump off the start. I really cant switch into it safely either with grass Pokemon as its also flying type.
Jolteon: I can't switch into this, even if I do, they can volt switch out. Shadow Ball is good for Celebi and Volt Switch/Thunder hits the rest of my team. Heatran is bulky enough to take a hit from it but then it gets 2hkod by Rain + Thunder. I dont know what do do for this.
Thanks for viewing my team, I hope its not too boring to read and you guys can help make it better however possible. =]