A Balanced Team...lol not much more to say but 1st RMT :)

[Shnoogle]

OK so one day like 6 months ago my Compaq laptop crashed on me and I lost my two successful OU teams on shoddy and since have been too lazy to rebuild them and now I only remember a few of the Pokémon in each team. So one day someone was like want to OU battle? And I said I didn’t have an OU team as I only have been playing Little Cup recently, but I figured I mine as well try out the new team builder thing on Smogon and it was pretty cool! So I threw together some random Pokémon who I knew could perform well together and this team has been all right, but nothing amazing. That is why I am asking you fellow Smogonites or Smogoneers or whatever you prefer to be called to help me out :)

Team At A Glance...
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Alright so there have been some changes so far...
Lead Azelf was replaced by Infernape, who was replaced by Swampert
Scarf Flygon was replaced by a banded Flygon, who was swapped for a scarf Latias
T-Spikes Tentacruel was replaced by a Calm Mind, Rest Suicune
Specs Luke was replaced by a wall breaker Infernape
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Alright, so if I have read enough RMTs in my lifetime I would assume that I should do the In Depth Analysis now... So... Yeah...

In Depth Analysis

Swampert @ Leftovers
Relaxed... +Defense...- Speed
Torrent
4 Speed, 252 Def, 252 HP
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Ice Beam
-Protect

Lead Swampert... Pretty basic stuff here. Stealth Rock is always useful for pokemon like Gyarados and Salamence who my team has a little trouble with once Suicune and Latias are gone. Ice Beam for those pesky dragons and coverage, and EQ is fairly obvious. I decided to choose protect instead of roar in the last slot and it has proven its worth, giving me extra leftovers recovery as well a scouting for choice users like Tyranitar and Gengar. Once, I protected on a magnezone to see if it had HP grass because I came in on a Thunderbolt and it exploded haha. This Swampert is mainly here to help give my team some extra insurance against Salamence and Tyranitar, as well as other hard hitters like metagross.

Latias @ Choice Scarf
Timid... +Speed... -Attack
Levitate
80 Defense, 176 Speed, 252 Sp. Attack
-Draco Meteor
-Dragon Pulse
-Surf
-Trick

Scarf Latias was added to give my team an extra insurance policy against DD salamence as well as other threats. Latias is a pretty strong pokemon and can OHKO many pokemon after SR such as offensive starmie and most breloom with draco meteor. Thankfully, latias fits perfect into this team because common switch-ins to this pokemon are handled by my other pokemon. Swampert and Suicune can take on T-Tar and Scizor. Infernape can set up on any pokemon locked into pursuit. Rotom easily takes on metagross unless it gets really lucky with a few attack boosts from Meteor Mash.
I took Dragon Pulse instead of Thunderbolt because Rotom already is a good check against Gyarados and Dragon Pulse is a more reliable way of revenging a weakened Salamence than Draco meteor, Surf, or Thunderbolt. This Latias has only 176 Speed because I am not a big fan of speed tying with choice scarf gengar, nor do I have any business switching into gengar in the first place. I hit 330 Speed with these EVs, and the 80 Defense EVs actually let me survive a T-Tar's pursuit when I stayed in and surfed with 1% HP left after sandstorm. I was able to weaken it enough for my next pokemon to come and finish it off.

Rotom-f @ Leftovers
Bold... +Defense... -Attack
Levitate
120 Defense, 136 Sp. Defense, 252 HP
-Discharge
-Shadow Ball
-Rest
-Sleep Talk

Eh, sorry the yellow color was too bright to see discharge :) OK so this "Snoozing Fridge" as it is called is awesome and has been one of the best proformers and most frequent switch-ins to opposing pokemon. It is also very reliable, taking roughly 76% damage from scarf T-Tar's Crunch. I chose Discharge over thunderbolt because I never do and wanted to see if the parahax was worth it... Indeed it is! I have killed quite a few pokemon I would not have otherwise by using discharge over thunderbolt, and the drop in power really isn't that bad considering it has recovery and is not a sweeper. Sometimes I feel a bit guilty for getting parahax and that results in a KO for me, but then I just think to myself "well that is the reason why I chose a lesser powered move". And when you think about it, it really isn't that unfair unless they get haxxed like 3 times in a row...What?!? No blizzard?!? Yeah, no... this isn't a hail team. I mainly just wanted A Rotom. All Rotoms have the same amazing resistances and moves so I just chose one. If you have to get rid of a team member, which I think is necessary for this team to benefit in the future, this is the only pokemon who I really would like to stay.

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Careful... +Sp. Defense... -Sp. Attack
Thick Fat
120 Defense, 168 HP, 220 Sp. Defense
-Curse
-Rest
-Body Slam
-Fire Punch

Ahh, a reliable special wall that can take big chunks out of common switch-ins like infernape and scizor, with the appropriate move of course. Obviously, the EVs are to maximize my survivability from things like Gengar's focus blast and choice specs Latias' Draco Meteor. Curse is there to get 294 defense after using it, which lets me take roughly 65% from a life orbed infernape's 64 attack EV CC, and OHKO with body slam! This guys is a reliable switch in and people sometimes just say gg after it sets up 2 curses and they see that I have rest. Ah, speaking of rest, I much more prefer that move over selfdestruct or EQ for a few reasons. First, rest helps me get up enough curses that I don't have to use EQ for coverage, and it enhances my survivability. Self-Destruct can easily take a pokemon out, sure, but think about this... If someone switches a pokemon in, they usually can either KO Snorlax or not, such as a Heracross who can easily KO after a curse or a Lucario, who can OHKO as well. Now, when would I get the chance to explode? Not after I am dead!!! And if something cannot KO me, then why would it be a threat? Therefore I should just curse up and rest/attack on it. Self-Destruct I think is just a poor choice on such a slow pokemon. So yeah, there is my Snorlax :)

Suicune @ Leftovers
Bold... +Defense... -Attack
Pressure
4 Sp. Defense, 252 Defense, 252 HP
-Calm Mind
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Rest
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Although I lost using my fav color when I stopped using tentacruel, I did gain a pretty good pokemon in Suicune, but the picture makes it look like Suicune is wearing a rock-star wig haha. Although it was suggested I go offensive, I tested this out because its purpose was to check salamence, and offensive Suicunes do not have the bulk to stand up to Life Orb Adamant Outrages so I chose this instead :)
I replaced Roar with rest and this has made a pretty significant difference. I no longer can roar out pokemon like calm mind jirachi, but I found that I wasn't using roar as much as Ice Beam and I needed recovery badly. Rest is actually a good recovery move on a sturdy pokemon like Suicune once it has 1-2 CMs up. From there it is just praying that I don't get Critted or haxed to death with paralysis or whatever. Wow, I absolutely LOVE suicune's ability. Taking around 1/3 damage from a Choice Scarf Heracross' Close Combat/Mega Horn while setting up calm minds and eventually resting off damage leaves them with 2/8 PP or 0/8 PP depending on who switched into who, and how much health I start with. Then, while they are forced to switch out I can fire off a free Surf/Ice Beam or even set up another Calm Mind. This Suicune is just a beast. Period.

Infernape @ Life Orb
Naive... +Speed... -Sp. Defense
Blaze
64 Attack, 192 Speed, 252 Sp. Attack
-Close Combat
-Nasty Plot
-Grass Knot/ HP [Ice]
-Fire Blast


This Infernape is here to help me break Stall, as I have been told by people and have realized that my team is more or less Stall-ish. I cannot really decide between HP ice and grass knot... I have been using grass knot but have not used it once, but this is because I have yet to see a swampert (who my team has problems with) on another team since I have put this into my team. HP ice would be useful I suppose for salamence so I am going to try that out. The EVs are there to maximize damage output from Fire Blast and reach the highest speed tier, as well as get a OHKO on most blissseys after SR damage.

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[ENZ0]

Nice team, just want to point out some nitpicks with your team. Starting off with Azelf I want to recommend switching to the standard Infernape lead since it will be performing the same purposes and last longer. Infernape will also provide a useful wallbreaker and not have the pressure of exploding. Moving on I see that Tentacruel really is out of place so I recommend changing it to an offensive, lefties Suicune which will also provide a better check to DDmence and a second check to DDgyara. Nothing else comes to mind atm, so hope this helps and good luck!

PS. I think I battled you and beat you lol, though I have to admit SpecsLuke did catch me off guard.

 

[Shnoogle]

Nice team, just want to point out some nitpicks with your team. Starting off with Azelf I want to recommend switching to the standard Infernape lead since it will be performing the same purposes and last longer. Infernape will also provide a useful wallbreaker and not have the pressure of exploding. Moving on I see that Tentacruel really is out of place so I recommend changing it to an offensive, lefties Suicune which will also provide a better check to DDmence and a second check to DDgyara. Nothing else comes to mind atm, so hope this helps and good luck!

PS. I think I battled you and beat you lol, though I have to admit SpecsLuke did catch me off guard.

lol yeah you probably did battle me I played a lot today and yesterday :)


Yeah I'll replace tentacruel with the suicune you have suggested... how does this sound?

Suicune @ Leftovers
Timid
252 sp. attack, 252 speed, 4 HP
-calm mind
-ice beam
-surf
-hp electric

On the other hand... a bulky one may be able to stand up to pokemon like salamence and gyarados better. I was thinking maybe something like the calm mind shuffle set in the analysis with ice beam for the last move

 

[ENZ0]

About the calm mind shuffle I recommend keeping the offensive since it primarily serves as a one time check and gives you the offense your team needs. Also, the calm mind shuffle serves as a reliable phazer that functions at its fullest in stall-oriented teams. Hope that clears your doubt.

 

[MurrMurr]

A good first RMT, nicely balanced. Although I have a couple comments. First, if you don't really want to use Taunt on Azelf in conjunction with SR, I recommend switching it out for a Jirachi lead, as it can cripple stuff with Trick and doesn't have to worry about Ghosts and Exploding (plus, it gets some really nice flinch hax if it survives the first few rounds).

Also, for SpecsLuke, I have some calculations:

-Both Modest and Timid Luke OHKO Salamence with HP Ice
-Both Modest and Timid Luke OHKO Gliscor with HP Ice
-Modest Luke 3-4HKOs Gyarados with Shadow Ball, Timid 4-5HKOs (these become much easier if Stealth Rock is in play)
-Both Modest and Timid Luke 2HKO defensive Rotom formes with Shadow Ball
-Modest Luke will always OHKO ResTalk Heatran with Aura Sphere if SR is in play (min damage is 90%), Timid Luke does 83.1-98.2%

So really, from my brief studies, the only real threat you miss the KO on with Timid is Heatran, and I don't expect you to be staying in on him long. Timid is probably better. Good team, and SpecsLuke FTW!

 

[Shnoogle]

A good first RMT, nicely balanced. Although I have a couple comments. First, if you don't really want to use Taunt on Azelf in conjunction with SR, I recommend switching it out for a Jirachi lead, as it can cripple stuff with Trick and doesn't have to worry about Ghosts and Exploding (plus, it gets some really nice flinch hax if it survives the first few rounds).

Also, for SpecsLuke, I have some calculations:

-Both Modest and Timid Luke OHKO Salamence with HP Ice
-Both Modest and Timid Luke OHKO Gliscor with HP Ice
-Modest Luke 3-4HKOs Gyarados with Shadow Ball, Timid 4-5HKOs (these become much easier if Stealth Rock is in play)
-Both Modest and Timid Luke 2HKO defensive Rotom formes with Shadow Ball
-Modest Luke will always OHKO ResTalk Heatran with Aura Sphere if SR is in play (min damage is 90%), Timid Luke does 83.1-98.2%

So really, from my brief studies, the only real threat you miss the KO on with Timid is Heatran, and I don't expect you to be staying in on him long. Timid is probably better. Good team, and SpecsLuke FTW!

wow thanks dude :) and i'll outrun him anyways if he switches in on luke, so if I know he isn't scarfed he is dead 3:)

And thanks for the compliment :) The lucario pic is way to big, I really don't know how to make it smaller. I tried resizong it in an edit and then saving it but it didn't work for some reason...

I have also noticed that I lack a good fire move (I have had trouble with scizor) and a reliable way to take out special walls since flygon's attacking power still leaves alot to be desired.

 

[MurrMurr]

If you have issues with both Scizor and special walls, a quick fix would be to switch out your Scarfgon for a standard Special LO Flygon (Draco Meteor/Fire Blast/Earthquake/Roost or U-Turn). Fire Blast away Scizor, then Earthquake the Blissey that switches in afterwards. Plus, if you're in a sticky situation, you can either Roost off Orb recoil and damage, or U-Turn to escape.

 

[Shnoogle]

If you have issues with both Scizor and special walls, a quick fix would be to switch out your Scarfgon for a standard Special LO Flygon (Draco Meteor/Fire Blast/Earthquake/Roost or U-Turn). Fire Blast away Scizor, then Earthquake the Blissey that switches in afterwards. Plus, if you're in a sticky situation, you can either Roost off Orb recoil and damage, or U-Turn to escape.

Ok maybe I'll try that I'm making some changes now :)

 

[MurrMurr]

With the new additions to the team, let's look through the threat list:

-Azelf: Handled by Shadow Balls from Rotom and Luke.
-Breloom: Handled by Fire Punch from Snorlax, Ice Beam from Cune and HP from Luke (and Fire Blast from Ape if he lives beyond leading)
-Celebi: See Breloom, although she's more likely to carry Grass STAB to repel Cune
-Dugtrio: Utterly wrecked by Suicune, and can be revenged with Flygon should the need arise.
-Electivire: Flygon!
-Empoleon: Doesn't like being met with Discharge from Rotom or Aura Sphere/Vacuum Wave from Luke
-Flygon: If it's not Scarfed, is destroyed by Flygon and Luke. If it is, it's a little harder to beat, but Suicune is your best shot
-Gengar: Non-scarfed are beaten down by Flygon, Scarfgar with HP Ice can basically revenge any one of your pokes
-Gliscor: Suicune destroys it.
-Gyarados: Eats Discharges, but BulkyDD variants can sweep your team if Rotom is dead.
-Heatran: Is a tough cookie in general simply because of its variety, but generally Flygon and Suicune can come in and kill it. Variations with Substitute may pose a bit of a problem, though.
-Heracross: Extremely similar to Gengar (your team has issues with high-Atk scarfers), Flygon if it's not scarfed.
-Infernape: Mirror match for the lead (I recommend Fake Out and hope), otherwise Suicune it
-Jirachi: No one prepares for Scarfrachi, it just flinches you to death >_< No, but barring epic amounts of Serene Grace hax, Flygon, Lax, and Luke all counter it to various degrees.
-Kingdra: Flygon Outrages, and Rotom Discharges.
-Latias: Specs and Scarf variants hurt its two main counter, Suicune and Flygon, respectively. You have to kinda play around it until you know what set it's carrying.

[I'll edit the rest in later]

So, based off of this alone, your team has a few issues with powerful scarfers. Possibly switch out one of your pokes for a Bullet Punching Scizor, or mix up your Luke and give it CC, Extremespeed, Shadow Ball, and HP Ice. That would deal with revenge killing and ease prediction.

But all in all, you replaced the dead weight in Cruel and made an overall improvement to the team. Congrats!

 

[Shnoogle]

With the new additions to the team, let's look through the threat list:

-Azelf: Handled by Shadow Balls from Rotom and Luke.
-Breloom: Handled by Fire Punch from Snorlax, Ice Beam from Cune and HP from Luke (and Fire Blast from Ape if he lives beyond leading)
-Celebi: See Breloom, although she's more likely to carry Grass STAB to repel Cune
-Dugtrio: Utterly wrecked by Suicune, and can be revenged with Flygon should the need arise.
-Electivire: Flygon!
-Empoleon: Doesn't like being met with Discharge from Rotom or Aura Sphere/Vacuum Wave from Luke
-Flygon: If it's not Scarfed, is destroyed by Flygon and Luke. If it is, it's a little harder to beat, but Suicune is your best shot
-Gengar: Non-scarfed are beaten down by Flygon, Scarfgar with HP Ice can basically revenge any one of your pokes
-Gliscor: Suicune destroys it.
-Gyarados: Eats Discharges, but BulkyDD variants can sweep your team if Rotom is dead.
-Heatran: Is a tough cookie in general simply because of its variety, but generally Flygon and Suicune can come in and kill it. Variations with Substitute may pose a bit of a problem, though.
-Heracross: Extremely similar to Gengar (your team has issues with high-Atk scarfers), Flygon if it's not scarfed.
-Infernape: Mirror match for the lead (I recommend Fake Out and hope), otherwise Suicune it
-Jirachi: No one prepares for Scarfrachi, it just flinches you to death >_< No, but barring epic amounts of Serene Grace hax, Flygon, Lax, and Luke all counter it to various degrees.
-Kingdra: Flygon Outrages, and Rotom Discharges.
-Latias: Specs and Scarf variants hurt its two main counter, Suicune and Flygon, respectively. You have to kinda play around it until you know what set it's carrying.

[I'll edit the rest in later]

So, based off of this alone, your team has a few issues with powerful scarfers. Possibly switch out one of your pokes for a Bullet Punching Scizor, or mix up your Luke and give it CC, Extremespeed, Shadow Ball, and HP Ice. That would deal with revenge killing and ease prediction.

But all in all, you replaced the dead weight in Cruel and made an overall improvement to the team. Congrats!

Yeah, I have had issues with some powerful scarfers... T-Tar in particular since Rotom is sometimes pursuit bait, but usually I can play around it.
It seems the team's main problems are as follows...

opposing cureslax and suicune, swampert, and to some extent zapdos

Bulky pokemon in general since this team has a lack of good offensive power

I was thinking of testing something like this... Switching lucario to a mix scarf set so it can be the revenge killer and giving flygon a band to bluff a scarf and deal great damage... thoughts?

 

[MurrMurr]

Flygon is very fun to bluff with, I used to run Screechgon and would bluff Scarf by switching into things like Metagross. Then, as they switched to a faster Scarfer, I would Screech and then either U-Turn or switch (depending on what switches at me) to Luke, who'd own with Extremespeed or SD up to sweep. Then, Flygon would come back in later and clean up. Very fun, but leads to problems if you mispredict and wind up with Ice Beams shooting at you. If your team has few prediction issues, it would be OK for the switch to Band. If your team has trouble with mis-switching, stick with scarf to outspeed more people.

 

[Shnoogle]

Flygon is very fun to bluff with, I used to run Screechgon and would bluff Scarf by switching into things like Metagross. Then, as they switched to a faster Scarfer, I would Screech and then either U-Turn or switch (depending on what switches at me) to Luke, who'd own with Extremespeed or SD up to sweep. Then, Flygon would come back in later and clean up. Very fun, but leads to problems if you mispredict and wind up with Ice Beams shooting at you. If your team has few prediction issues, it would be OK for the switch to Band. If your team has trouble with mis-switching, stick with scarf to outspeed more people.

The main problem right now is flygon's lack of power when locked into outrage just leaves set up time for other pokemon like suicune (who is a pain right now) and is an easy revenge kill for swampert.
I'm going to test the band now and the scarf on luke too :)

Oh I was playing shoddy just now and i switched in lucario in on a scarf T-Tar's crunch (scarf tar is EVERYWHERE NOW) and i used HP ice and he switched a gliscor in! But it Freakin MISSED!!! i was like *Facepalm* lol it was horrible.

EDIT: OK the band on flygon is pretty decent... I OHKO things I otherwise would have missed out on like EQ on jirachi and metagross, as well as a 2HKO on vaporeon. However, scarf luke just plain isn't that good. It is very underpowered and is tough to get into play. It doesn't even KO D-Nite at full health with ice punch or salamence (after and intimidate) and starmie only takes like 78% from crunch, so I may go back to the specs set or find a suitable replacement for him. Any suggestions that might help are certainly welcome :)

Oh, and one more thing... recently, my snorlax has actually been the MVP of most of my battles and is just a great pokemon to have on the team in general. Rotom probably comes next, and then flygon/Suicune. I would like to fit in rest somewhere on suicune but I really cannot find anywhere for it as roar and ice beam have been proven to be very useful to me and calm mind/surf are staples on any Suicune set.

EDIT: Suicune now has rest over roar and it has made all the difference :) Many people rage quit on it now and it is a great pokemon to have on the team

 

[Shnoogle]

I believe I am entitled to a 24 Hour *Bump*

OK so Defensive and Offensive threat lists are still to come, so stay tune :)

Please continue to rate as this team still needs improvement.

 

[ginganinja]

Yeah I still think that a bulky offensive Cune (3 attacks) helps this team as it at least hits most of OU Neutrally. bulky Offensive suicune allows it to survive longer and makes it harder for temas to wear it down. It does not mind trick as now it can be a terror late game revenging pokemon with its nice coverage.
Here is the set

Suicune @ Leftovers
Pressure
Timid
160 HP 120 SpA 228 Spe
Surf
Ice Beam
HP electric
Calm Mind

 

[Shnoogle]

Yeah I still think that a bulky offensive Cune (3 attacks) helps this team as it at least hits most of OU Neutrally. bulky Offensive suicune allows it to survive longer and makes it harder for temas to wear it down. It does not mind trick as now it can be a terror late game revenging pokemon with its nice coverage.
Here is the set

Suicune @ Leftovers
Pressure
Timid
160 HP 120 SpA 228 Spe
Surf
Ice Beam
HP electric
Calm Mind

Thanks for the rate :)
But, to be honest, I have been sweeping many a teams with the Suicune I already have and I like the max defense as salamence is a major problem for this team. I have tried offensive Suicune in the past, but it just didn't live up to my expectations and they don't live very long w/out Rest.

I am thinking of replacing lucario with a mixed infernape to keep mence under control, but then I need to find a new lead and I love the lead I already have. Are there any pokemon that I can replace to help manage my Salamence problem? (And please don't say starmie because I've already tried it and it really isn't very effective on this team).

Can someone please tell me why everytime I search something it says "500 Internal Server Error"?

 

[ginganinja]

Ah well the smogon D/P site is being updated to googel the pokemon you are searching for and put smogon after it and then click cached.

Anyway swampet can help against salamence or even a Metagross in the lead spot authough scarf Latias/jirachi also stop salamence authough they should not be used in the lead spot.

Also may I ask why you are thinking of dropping Lucario as maybe we can help with that as well.

 

[Shnoogle]

Ah well the smogon D/P site is being updated to googel the pokemon you are searching for and put smogon after it and then click cached.

Anyway swampet can help against salamence or even a Metagross in the lead spot authough scarf Latias/jirachi also stop salamence authough they should not be used in the lead spot.

Also may I ask why you are thinking of dropping Lucario as maybe we can help with that as well.

No joke every time Luke is faced with a salamence with no speed boosts I am always outspeed and it is really annoying. Plus, he does the least for my team overall.

What about a scarf latias over flygon? And then I can try swampert out for the lead spot, I suppose.

Any ideas on what luke should be replaced with? Whatever it is it needs to have a fighting move to KO blissey with.

 

[ginganinja]

Well give swampert a go first but if he fails then give Meta a shot. Latias could be used over Flygon however, if it was used over Flygon I would have a pokemon that could set up on a pokemon locked into Pursuit eg SD Lucario, Infernape, Tyranitar Scizor etc.

Have you tried Agility and SD Lucario?
If you like swampert Metagoss can take Lucario's Position.

So, in conclusion
Flygon is swaped for Scarf Latias.
If you like swampert in the Lead position then Metagross, Infernape or Lucario can go in the last spot.
If you ldon't want swampert in the lead spot and would prefer metagross then Lucario, infernape and Tyranitar ca ngo in the last spot
Scizor can go in the last spot no matter what the lead.

Again I stress please test these suggestions and see if they fit with your team and then let us know.

Personally I think Infernape is your best bet in Lucarios spot (if you don't want Lucario) esp. the Nasty Plot set which can even KO gyarados with Grass know and 1 Nasty Plot boost if SR is up. It also has Close Combat for opposing Snorlax and Blissey.



Hope i helped

 

[Shnoogle]

OK I'll test everything you have mentioned

Thanks for all of your help ginganinja I really appreciate it :)

And yeah, I'll post the results when I test everything

 

[Shnoogle]

OK I'll test everything you have mentioned

Thanks for all of your help ginganinja I really appreciate it :)

And yeah, I'll post the results when I test everything

Aight, everything has been updated except for the threat list which I will most likely do tomorrow or the next day... With the changes you guys have mentioned, this team has only lost once out of about 6 battles so far... that isn't a lot of battles but I have not had much time for testing. Yeah, so that's it Rate Away please :)

 

[ENZ0]

Back to this team lol. As soon as I checked your changes over I noticed you're taking any random advice without further consideration, so I'm going to try to connect the random ties for this team. At first your team was centered around SpecsLuke which was changed to NP Infernape, so now you have to try to make his sweep happen which isn't being helped much atm.

I want to recommend changing Swampert into a lead Tyranitar straight from the analysis to get rid of Latias, Starmie, and Gengar that easily stop Infernape. If you don't like tar's performance as a lead I recommend leaving pert in and change cune for a Scarftar. Swampert and Suicune are doing the exact same purpose and their slow momentum without hazard support doesn't help you either. I also believe you can abuse Latias further as pursuit bait, but thats more of your decision. I feel I can make this team better, but I don't want to make huge changes that will throw it off from your original idea. Other than that hope this helps!

 

[Shnoogle]

Well, I did take it into consideration, and I don't just want to seem like I am trying to prove you wrong, but the first team was in no way centered around specs luke and he was usually the least valuable player every single match. I don't know if you understood the introduction, but the first version of this team was LITERALLY just random pokemon thrown together that I thought of at the top of my head, and it just so happened that the team preformed very well, which is why I wanted to perfect it.

Infernape is there to break walls such as blissey, skarm, and celebi... Snorlax handles all 3 of the pokemon you have mentioned although gengar can give me trouble if it has a life orb (Focus blast then 2HKOs snorlax)

Tbh, I really would like to keep testing the team as it is right now before I make any more changes because although it may not seem perfect on paper, or in this case on a screen, it preforms excellently.

And sometimes I do use Latias as pursuit bait for infernape to grab a boost, but with SOOO MANY scarftar running rampant (seriously there is one on 4/5 teams) I usually take the opportunity to attack with infernape after latias gets killed and not set up. I guess I should consider switching to an all out attacking set with both grass knot and HP ice to help my swampert and salamence problem

 

[ENZ0]

Well I didn't want to seen harsh just wanted to clear ideas out. I just want to point out that Snorlax in no way is ending Latias, Starmie, or Gengar but simply sponging since they can easily switch out to a more threatening poke on the physical end. Thats why I want to recommend something better than changing anything completely to Tyranitar, which is changing Snorlax into an offensive one with pursuit getting rid of the pokes mentioned above and giving ape an easier time. Finally, I want to point out you don't have pert or mence problem since your pokemon all hurt pert without getting hurt much back and you have three different ways to counter mence. Remember its just advice as a rater and you don't have to take it.

 

[Shnoogle]

Wow, I really never thought about using a pursuit snorlax lol I'll test one out... but I'm not going to make the change on the OP until I see which one works better

Well, I don't have much trouble w/ salamence ANYMORE, because I now have swampy and latias. Before, the weight was all on Suicune who takes a little under half from a life orb outrage, and barely escapes alive. So before my swampert and latias an untimely crit, or prior damage on Suicune let salamence sweep me, really.

Whenever I switch snorlax into a latias, they almost always are scarfed so they draco meteor or dragon pulse etc... and I take roughly 35% damage from draco meteor, thus giving me an opportunity to curse on the switch, or if I have seen their luke/scizor I just fire punch for heavy damage or a KO. Keep in mind after a curse my stats are... Max HP: 503, 294 Def, and 344 Sp. def... plenty of bulk to pull another curse and rest.

 

[ginganinja]

Well I think to team is looking good, minor nitpick, grass knot is not solely for swampert, it is also for water types and can even take care of Gyarados.