A Blast from the PAST.

[Red.Rebellion]

Yo Smogon!


To be honest this team was made in Gen IV, so it is not really built for Gen V OU, but using some of the new toys granted in Black and White, it has won me alot of victories on "Pokemon Online"
The Team is offensive in nature and can rip som major holes in the oposing line-up but does find itself to easely sweept sometimes due to som lack in defences.
The biggest issu on the threat list has been to topple Sand abusers like Exadrill and Scarf/Sub Garchomp, but since Chomp is now Uber the later wont prove to be a problem, however Exadrill is a major pain to deal whit.
I have been playing this team since Black and white was released, and i feel something has to be done to make it into a more competive team for this new genaration.

The Team at first glance:

Lets start whit the "Lead":

Kairyu (Dragonite) (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Multiscale
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Outrage
- Roost
- Fire Punch
- Dragon Dance

Good ol Dragonite, This pokemon makes the world go round,
Using Multiscale as a shield Dragonite is often able to get +2 and even +3 depending on the other leading poke. It deals wonderful against Nattorei, Skarmory, and Forretrss leads, granting me a +2/+3 as they set up rocks or spikes, i take them out whit fire punch and then star sweeping the enemy team whit the perfect neatural cover granted by Fire and Dragon attacks.
Outrage is pretty much given, while it locks me into it, Dragon Claw just cant offer the same punch Outrage does.
Fire Punch as stated before gives perfect neutral cover whit Outrage and deals easely whit steeltypes trying to ruin the fun.
Roost gives me a chanse to comeback late game, preferably Dragonite can Roost up under an substitute baton passed by Jolteon, to once again grab the cover from Multiscale.
I chose Lum Berry over Leftover or Life Orb to prevent status effects crippling his sweep, and if they are not present it makes Outrage al the more scary.
The Ev´s are invested to give it enough power to hit and not to be hit back after Multiscale is broken, i used to have a Jolly Nature but after a +2 boost Adamant gives me a bigger edge against walls.

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The "Backup":

Gaiagiras (Tyranitar) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EV´s: 170 HP / 88 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Crunch
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance
While Dragonite takes the lead (and suicide) sweeper role, Tyranitar is my "backup" sweeper. Whit the sandstorm and 170 Ev´s in Hp setting up Dragon Dances is not an hard task, and after Dragonites rampage not much stands to stop Tyranitar to clean up.
The Infinit Sandstorm is always nice to have against other wheater teams (exluding ofc Sandteams) and the damage it racks up on the opponet can turn 2hko´s into 1hko, and it makes stalling harder when leftovers does not heal but pause the extra damage.
However it makes dealing whit Exadrill into a nightmare since i dont carry rock resistence, therfore it is essential to deal whit Exadrill before summoning Tyranitar.
Another stepback whit the sandstorm is that it brakes Dragonites Multiscale which is why i need Dragonite under a Sub if i want him back out.
Crunch is the safest move in the set, whit its STAB boost and ability to couse random flinches, Stone Edge is also for a powerful stab to take down Gyarados, Thundurus, and other flyers.
i chose Earthquake as a third move since dragonite dosent carry it and to deal whit other tyranitars.
The Ev spread is for making DD setup easier and i find the Hp investment good to have when tyranitar does not go dow when he would be expexted to. the rest is put to maximize his speed, and some in atk for simple power.
Ive been thinking og giving him an Life Orb but as for now Leftovers to help him survive longer.

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The Revenge killer:

Nova (Scizor) (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Technician
EV´s: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn
- Pursuit
- Superpower
Supporting the sweep of a dragon, Scizor can really clean up.
Being able to take ice and/or dragon attacks to the face and still fight back is the very reason i love Scizor, and the revengekill/scouting abbilities of the Choice Band setgives me al i can ask for.
If Dragonite fears for its life i can switch into Scizor take the hit and then be ready for anything:
Bullet Punch a weaker or damaged attacker, U-turn for damage and to counter, Pursuit a fleeing foe, or Superpower walls. and choice band gives her the muscle to really hurt the unprepeard.
There is not much else i can say Scizor worked wonders in Gen Iv and does it again in Gen V, i would have a hard time finding a better partner for Dragonite.

Switch synergi:

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The Baton
passer:

Voltaro (Jolteon) (M) @ Air Balloon/Leftovers
Trait: Volt Absorb
EV´s: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Substitute
- Baton Pass
- Hidden Power [Ice]
Whit three Dragon Dancers on the team i need a fast and safe way to protect them as they power up, thats what Jolteon is for being a really fast batonpasser whitout having to sacrifice attacking prowess like Ninjask.
Jolteon want to avoid being switched into since it will want to come in on something that scares it to switch away, giving Jolteon the chance to use substitute, which it then can pass away to either Tyranitar, Gyarados, or Dragonite. (preferbly Nite and Gyara to avoid breaking the sub on an incoming ground attack)
But passing subs is not the only thing Jolteon can accoplish whit its amazing Spd and grat SAtk and the boltbeam combination, it can deal som real damage as well.
Air Ballon is for safe substitutes against ground types.
Been using Leftovers before and its a nice thing to have som im not sure which to carry.

Switch synergi:

The Sacrifice:

Akumetsu (Gengar) (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Levitate
EV´s: 6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Thundebolt/Focus Blast
- Trick
- Destiny Bond
This little devil have saved my ass more times then Team rocket gets owned by Pikachu.
As you might have guessed this fella´s job is to shut down walls or to simply make a scarf boosted sacrifice to take down sweepers that would othervise be impossible whitout an real "spunge"
Once again this is a poke that shines in late game, when he can come in hit whit a powerful SAtk, cripple walls whit Trick, or go for the win whit Destiny Bond.
Shadow Ball takes the main attack spot whit ease since Gengars high SAtk and STAB gives it power to chip away whats left of the enemy line. Thunderbolt is another great move that hits hard on bulky waters after they are subjected to Trick, however Focus Blast would be a good choice to hit those Dark types that recist Shadow Ball, but locking yourself into a low acc move can be devastating when using no real line of defence.

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The Ending:

Ragnarok (Gyarados) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EV´s: 156 HP / 72 Atk / 96 Def / 184 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Taunt
- Waterfall
- Stone Edge
- Dragon Dance
For the last spot i knew that i really need som bulk since the closest thing ive got to "defences" are Scizor and Tyranitar, And Gyarados give me that whitout backing down in power, Bulky enought to Dragon Dance whitout bigger threat, and after some of them scary enought to sweep, coming in intimidating, forcing som switches powering up ad taunting other stat boosters or walls, we all know the story that made BulkyGyara one of the greatest threats in Gen IV, and using him today, nothing much have changed.
Taunt gives Gyarados the chance to power up while the opponent cant, or is forced to switch inable to use any move.
Waterfall whit STAB and the boost from Dragondance hits like a steamroller, and whit Stone Edge to round up flyers and other Gyarados gives not great but good enought cover. Bounce was a choice a while but Stone Edge has proven superior in most of my matches.
The EV´s is smogons own and a diamond if you want defence and offence.
Leftovers again gives healing to prolong the active duty of this powerful snake.

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[Cow guru7]

A few suggestions:
If Excadrill is a problem I would give Tyranitar it's DW ability (unnerve).
For Jolteon I would suggest giving it an air balloon, so it can switch in and then use substitute on ground types

 

[Red.Rebellion]

Yeah that would probobly work. i know i slashed Air Ballon for that purpus and i think its the most solid choice

 

[Nastyjungle]

This team looks pretty solid and has good synergy, but there are a few problems I can see immediately.

• Rock Weakness: Two of your team members take Super Effective damage from rock moves, which are common, but you have nothing to absorb these moves.
• Tyranitar seems out of place: Having a Sand Steamer on this team seems a little strange, as your Pokemon are hindered by it rather than helped by it. Not to mention one of the things you say you want to do is stop sand abusers, so having a sand starter is counter productive.
• Too Many Dragon Dancers: While dancing is a good strategy, having 3 on a team seems slightly unnecessary, especially when there are better sets they could run.

First, I'd like to address the problem with having Tyranitar on your team. As I said before, permanent Sandstorm can really hurt this team, as only Scizor is immune, and Dragonite's potential as a Multiscale abuser is severely dampened. Replacing it with something that can take Rock type attacks as well as deal with Excadrill would be ideal, which is why I would suggest Gliscor. If Excadrill gets a chance to Swords Dance, it will essentially rip apart most of your team with Rock Slide. A good set to consider would be:

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb | Poison Heal
Impish | 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 Spe
Earthquake / Ice Fang / Toxic / Protect

The physically defensive Gliscor cares little about anything Excadrill can throw at it, and can KO it with Earthquake (if it doesn't have it's Air Balloon/it already popped). Gliscor can also absorb just about any Rock attack with ease, giving Gyarados and Dragonite a little more room to breathe.

Lastly, I think Gyarados should have a standard defensive RestTalk set. Having more bulk on this team would be good with its frail teammates such as Gengar and Jolteon, as well as help absorb Ice attacks for Dragonite and Gliscor.

Gyarados @ Leftovers | Intimidate
Impish | 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Rest / Sleep Talk / Waterfall / Dragon Tail

With this, Gyarados will be very difficult to take down, and can absorb status and shuffle around your opponent's team. Being able to take hits for the team and recover the damage later will help with keeping everybody alive longer.

In short:

• Replace Tyranitar with defensive Gliscor
• Give Gyarados a bulky set

 

[Lord Wallace]

i would hate to have to face this team,but give Ttar unnerve and maybe get another supporter instead of Gyarados,you look like youre in desperate need of a dual screener. Honestly Umbreon ismuch better at passing than Jolteon because not only can he pass Subs but can also use Mean Look to prevent youre opponent from switching while you setup Tyranitar (classic strategy in GSC)

 

[Red.Rebellion]

This team looks pretty solid and has good synergy, but there are a few problems I can see immediately.

• Rock Weakness: Two of your team members take Super Effective damage from rock moves, which are common, but you have nothing to absorb these moves.
• Tyranitar seems out of place: Having a Sand Steamer on this team seems a little strange, as your Pokemon are hindered by it rather than helped by it. Not to mention one of the things you say you want to do is stop sand abusers, so having a sand starter is counter productive.
• Too Many Dragon Dancers: While dancing is a good strategy, having 3 on a team seems slightly unnecessary, especially when there are better sets they could run.

First, I'd like to address the problem with having Tyranitar on your team. As I said before, permanent Sandstorm can really hurt this team, as only Scizor is immune, and Dragonite's potential as a Multiscale abuser is severely dampened. Replacing it with something that can take Rock type attacks as well as deal with Excadrill would be ideal, which is why I would suggest Gliscor. If Excadrill gets a chance to Swords Dance, it will essentially rip apart most of your team with Rock Slide. A good set to consider would be:

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb | Poison Heal
Impish | 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 Spe
Earthquake / Ice Fang / Toxic / Protect

The physically defensive Gliscor cares little about anything Excadrill can throw at it, and can KO it with Earthquake (if it doesn't have it's Air Balloon/it already popped). Gliscor can also absorb just about any Rock attack with ease, giving Gyarados and Dragonite a little more room to breathe.

Lastly, I think Gyarados should have a standard defensive RestTalk set. Having more bulk on this team would be good with its frail teammates such as Gengar and Jolteon, as well as help absorb Ice attacks for Dragonite and Gliscor.

Gyarados @ Leftovers | Intimidate
Impish | 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Rest / Sleep Talk / Waterfall / Dragon Tail

With this, Gyarados will be very difficult to take down, and can absorb status and shuffle around your opponent's team. Being able to take hits for the team and recover the damage later will help with keeping everybody alive longer.

In short:

• Replace Tyranitar with defensive Gliscor
• Give Gyarados a bulky set

Great help. Just some questions? using Gliscor will leav me whit another x4 Ice weakness and while Scizor can take ice hits well to many might kill it before it can fight back really, and since Gyarados is a Water flying type it will also taka neutral damage from ice beam. but i might be overthinking things?

Gyarados seems nice, il try it and come back to you^^

 

[Red.Rebellion]

i would hate to have to face this team,but give Ttar unnerve and maybe get another supporter instead of Gyarados,you look like youre in desperate need of a dual screener. Honestly Umbreon ismuch better at passing than Jolteon because not only can he pass Subs but can also use Mean Look to prevent youre opponent from switching while you setup Tyranitar (classic strategy in GSC)

Will Try unnerve on Ttar. but Umbreon however will ruin the synergy and doesn not have the speed for baton passing effectivly :/

 

[Ninjadolphin]

Tyranitars banded stone edge 1hkos your entire team, I would recommend replacing gyarados with excadrill so you have a sand abuser and a 4x rock resist

Edit: for the last two posts, mean look is not baton passable in gen5

 

[Red.Rebellion]

Been thinking about Tyranitar: this version would take away the sand problem not mess up the synergy and give som more bulk:

Gaiagira (Tyranitar) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Unnerve

EVs: 252 HP / 180 SAtk / 76 SDef

Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)

- Stealth Rock

- Crunch

- Fire Blast

- Ice Beam​

How about it?

 

[Ninjadolphin]

Been thinking about Tyranitar: this version would take away the sand problem not mess up the synergy and give som more bulk:

Gaiagira (Tyranitar) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Unnerve

EVs: 252 HP / 180 SAtk / 76 SDef

Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)

- Stealth Rock

- Crunch

- Fire Blast

- Ice Beam​

How about it?

Well, it can't be quite as good a special tank outside of sand, so you might want to have it be more physically defensive.

 

[Red.Rebellion]

Bump, check the new Tyranitar set down just up.

Bump, check the new Tyranitar set on the page up.

 

[Red.Rebellion]

Acording to pokemon online Tyranitars Dream World trait is not legal to use yet, so cant test it.

 

[Razza]

hey nice team :)

Dragonite, i like the set, however you could consider extremspeed over roost maybe to pick off weakened threats,
also dragon and fire would be unresisted coverage, but heatran has flash fire and kinda walls your set,

Tyranitar, to be honest the team has a bit of an excadrill weakness and tyranitar does nothing to help this out, no one on your team really benefits from the sandstorm, and it only serves to counteract leftovers recovery and to break dragonites multiscale which is bad for his survivability,

I think maybe a scarf toed would patch up the excadrill weakness, and add some momentum against weather teams whilst also revenging a few things.

Politoed (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Perish Song
- Hydro Pump
- Scald
- Ice Beam

Ill try to think of other replacements as well and edit them in

Scizor seems fine,

Jolteon, interesting set, however i think that maybe rotom w could do well in this slot as well, possible a choice scarf set, as he and scizor have great synergy and can put a lot of pressure on the enemy with constant volt switching and u-turns, which could also force switches and rack up damah=ge with some entry hazards which your team lacks and could really use

Gengar, Seems alright, might want to put in focus blast over thunderbolt just for tyranitar who can pursuit you once they realise you are scarfed

Gyarados, dont have a lot of experience with gyarados, but he seems good enough

Good luck with the team :)

 

[min min]

A wise man once told me, those Def EVs for Gyarados are for the nonexistant SD Quick Attack Scizor. Maybe sort them into attack or HP instead?

 

[AB2]

Hey, this seems like a solid team, but it just needs a little it updating to be useful in the early B/W metagame. First of all Ferrothorn spikes on quite a few of your team members. Tyranitar, Scizor, Jolteon, and Gengar can all have layers set up on them. Specs Latios gives this team lots of problems too, because it can 2HKO this entire team with Specs Surf or Draco Meteor very easily. Bulking up your Tyranitar spread so that you can have a chance against Specs Latios would be the best option right now. The EV spread of 252 HP | 48 SpA | 200 SpD | 8 Spe with a Sassy nature would allow you to take Specs Latios' hits much more easily while still 2HKOing Ferrothorn with Fire blast. A moveset of Stealth Rocks | Crunch | Pursuit | Fire Blast would be most optimal, especially with a Chople Berry. You also have some excadrill problems so it would be best to replace Jolteon with Skarmory. Skarmory can also switch into most forms of Landorus which is why it should be used here. Skarmory can use a moveset of Spikes | Roost | Whirlwind | Brave Bird with an Impish nature to perform its best. An EV spread of 252 HP | 240 Def | 16 Spe with Leftovers of Shed Shell would also make sure that Skarmory can beat Excadrill and Landorus easily.

Next, I would try and use Excadrill over your Scizor. For one, you have no rock resists and when adding Excadrill you now have a good check to Tyranitar and many other threats under the sand. Also, if you pair Excadrill with Dragonite, they remove each other's counters quite efficiently. Although if you try to use Banded Dragonite then you can soften up Excadrill's most common switchins such as Skarmory and Gliscor with banded Outrage. Between banded Dragonite and Excadrill you will be able to break down most defensive cores. If you decide to use Dragonite, a set of Outrage | Fire punch | Extremespeed | Waterfall would provide you with the best possible coverage. An Adamant nature with the EV spread of 4 HP | 252 Atk | 252 Spe would also be the best.

Excadrill @ Air Balloon
Adamant 4 HP | 252 Atk | 252 Spe Sand Rush
Swords Dance | Earthquake | Rock Slide | Return

Just some things to consider. Good Luck!

 

[Red.Rebellion]

hey nice team :)

Dragonite, i like the set, however you could consider extremspeed over roost maybe to pick off weakened threats,
also dragon and fire would be unresisted coverage, but heatran has flash fire and kinda walls your set,

Tyranitar, to be honest the team has a bit of an excadrill weakness and tyranitar does nothing to help this out, no one on your team really benefits from the sandstorm, and it only serves to counteract leftovers recovery and to break dragonites multiscale which is bad for his survivability,

I think maybe a scarf toed would patch up the excadrill weakness, and add some momentum against weather teams whilst also revenging a few things.

Politoed (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Perish Song
- Hydro Pump
- Scald
- Ice Beam

Ill try to think of other replacements as well and edit them in

Scizor seems fine,

Jolteon, interesting set, however i think that maybe rotom w could do well in this slot as well, possible a choice scarf set, as he and scizor have great synergy and can put a lot of pressure on the enemy with constant volt switching and u-turns, which could also force switches and rack up damah=ge with some entry hazards which your team lacks and could really use

Gengar, Seems alright, might want to put in focus blast over thunderbolt just for tyranitar who can pursuit you once they realise you are scarfed

Gyarados, dont have a lot of experience with gyarados, but he seems good enough

Good luck with the team :)

Hey thanks^^ well i tryed using extremspeed whit him for a while but it never really paid of, and having roost to abuse Multisclae has worked wonders.

i have been thinking about dropping Tyranitar, (or changing his set) so al the help there is needed, i will try the toad out and hopefully it will go well whit the rest of the team. Synergi has always been the key.

Hmm, nah id rather stick whit jolteon for the Subpassing. and i never really have seen the greatness in Rotom. but il try it just to be sure.

as stated above, i dont want to risk the game by locking myself into an low acc move, and Tyranitar has never been an issu. and ones they now im scarfed i can as easely end it whit Destiny bond.

But thx for the help. i will try it out an maybe it will bring my team closer to an real competive lelvel. ;D

 

[Red.Rebellion]

Hey, this seems like a solid team, but it just needs a little it updating to be useful in the early B/W metagame. First of all Ferrothorn spikes on quite a few of your team members. Tyranitar, Scizor, Jolteon, and Gengar can all have layers set up on them. Specs Latios gives this team lots of problems too, because it can 2HKO this entire team with Specs Surf or Draco Meteor very easily. Bulking up your Tyranitar spread so that you can have a chance against Specs Latios would be the best option right now. The EV spread of 252 HP | 48 SpA | 200 SpA | 8 Spe with a Sassy nature would allow you to take Specs Latios' hits much more easily while still 2HKOing Ferrothorn with Fire blast. A moveset of Stealth Rocks | Crunch | Pursuit | Fire Blast would be most optimal, especially with a Chople Berry. You also have some excadrill problems so it would be best to replace Jolteon with Skarmory. Skarmory can also switch into most forms of Landorus which is why it should be used here. Skarmory can use a moveset of Spikes | Roost | Whirlwind | Brave Bird with an Impish nature to perform its best. An EV spread of 252 HP | 240 Def | 16 Spe with Leftovers of Shed Shell would also make sure that Skarmory can beat Excadrill and Landorus easily.

Next, I would try and use Excadrill over your Scizor. For one, you have no rock resists and when adding Excadrill you now have a good check to Tyranitar and many other threats under the sand. Also, if you pair Excadrill with Dragonite, they remove each other's counters quite efficiently. Although if you try to use Banded Dragonite then you can soften up Excadrill's most common switchins such as Skarmory and Gliscor with banded Outrage. Between banded Dragonite and Excadrill you will be able to break down most defensive cores. If you decide to use Dragonite, a set of Outrage | Fire punch | Extremespeed | Waterfall would provide you with the best possible coverage. An Adamant nature with the EV spread of 4 HP | 252 Atk | 252 Spe would also be the best.

Excadrill @ Air Balloon
Adamant 4 HP | 252 Atk | 252 Spe Sand Rush
Swords Dance | Earthquake | Rock Slide | Return

Just some things to consider. Good Luck!

Wow that was some huge changes xD

Ferrethorn has never been a problem, but that can be becouse i always have met it in the lead position. the same can be said for Latios, since i can bring jolteon in and scare it away (fearing Shadowball wich is most common) use Sub and pass away to dragonite which can boost up and Latios is a problem no more.

Tyranitar seems nice but i think il make it more Sp.Def heavy.

i dont know about skarmory, another steel type and electic weakness by trading away subpassing and electic healing,

Exadrill will probably work over scizor if i band nite, but well banding nite makes Multiscale only work once but hey maybe i dont need more.

I will try the changes you want to make but im not sure.

 

[Red.Rebellion]

A wise man once told me, those Def EVs for Gyarados are for the nonexistant SD Quick Attack Scizor. Maybe sort them into attack or HP instead?

Been thinking about making it into a sleeptalker, but i will try invetting more into hp to se if i like it ^^