Research A Look at a Survey of the Most/Least Used Pokemon for in-game playthroughs historically

[PokeTrainer16]

Poor Seaking, I've used it a lot in my (failed) full series Nuzlocke without dupes attempts. It's not *that* awful.

 

[CynicalGiant]

That still doesn't explain the major discrepancy compared to Tyranitar. You'd have to have some deeper level of knowledge to even realize Larvitar is the pseudo and want to baby it, especially since it's found in the literal last location of the game. Alternatively, the HGSS Safari Zone, which is way more BS to deal with than a Friday encounter you can still manipulate lmao.

I really have a hard time believing the people who had Tyranitar in their playthru for Gen 2. Did people treat the survey like it's their dream team of Gen 2 mons and not what they actually used?

 

[Hugin]

Poor Seaking, I've used it a lot in my (failed) full series Nuzlocke without dupes attempts. It's not *that* awful.

It's not that Seaking is terrible. It's stats are rough, and mono-water isn't interesting, but Swift Swim turns Rain Dance into Dragon Dance, and it has pretty decent coverage in a lot of games.

But it's a fish. Which means that it's locked behind either Surf or the Good Rod. Surf almost requires already having a water-type, and both Surf and Good Rod tend to give access to a lot of water-types. You're never getting a Goldeen before the second gym and keeping it to the E4, which is the usual way people fall in love with mediocre-at-best mons, because the fact that it's a fish means you'll never see it that early. It's too bad, Seaking is one of the G1 mons that never got any love in updates, but I don't see that changing anytime soon.

 

[Punchshroom]

It's not that Seaking is terrible. It's stats are rough, and mono-water isn't interesting, but Swift Swim turns Rain Dance into Dragon Dance, and it has pretty decent coverage in a lot of games.

Seaking's combination of mediocre stats, inconvenient availability, evolution level, and most of all atrocious level-up movepool are all factors towards its inevitable bottom placing for in-game usage lists.

The earliest available Goldeen is in the Hoenn games, where you can Old Rod for one at either Route 102 or ideally Petalburg City. However, RSE Goldeen has an absolutely godawful level-up movepool, learning not a single Water-type move until you get Surf, and unlike Gyarados, it doesn't have the raw stats to carry itself with unSTAB moves and doesn't even have the decency to evolve early; you're stuck with Goldeen's pitiful stats all the way until level 33, and the best thing you have to show for it all that time is "unSTAB Horn Attack" which won't even OHKO the likes of Zubats and Poochyenas.

While ORAS Goldeen's movepool improved slightly (getting STAB Water Pulse at level 16), so does literally every other Water-type in the game, with all the pre-Surf Water options like Lotad, Wingull, Magikarp, Tentacool, and especially Marill all being vastly more appealing candidates. As the final nail in the coffin, Old Rod Goldeen also comes extremely underleveled at level 5; Old Rod Tentacool also is saddled with this issue but at least when it reaches its level 16 Water Pulse, it's not coming off a garbage 35 SpAtk stat like Goldeen's, on top of evolving earlier at level 30.