This topic needs more Slowbro. Great Tank stats + Slack off. This thing is reverse Snorlax, but with a better move for HP recovery.
I can partly agree with this, however, most of the Ground pokemon you listed are meant to be physical walls (Hippowdon, Rhyperior, Donphan), while Suicune and Milotic tend to deal with special hits better.I also think that heavy grounds are more practical in DP theorycraft than heavy waters. By the way, Swampert is in the middle of that so don't use him to prop up any heavy water arguments. Hippowdon, Rhyperior, Claydol, and Donphan are looking more practical to me than Suicune, Milotic, and Slowbro.
With an Adamant Torterra, you can never be completely sure that CB Crunch from max Atk Adamant Tyranitar 3HKO's you.Torterra isn't a bad counter, if Tyranitar does not have Ice Beam. It can be EVed so that a CBCrunch from T-Tar is a 3HKO. I know that since I was considering Torterra in my team.
Saying 'but Tyranitar learns Ice Beam' does not make Torterra a bad counter.
I doubt that things like Donphan, Rhyperior and Claydol can stand the immense attacking force that physical Infernape (with Flare Blitz and Close Combat) and the standard Garchomp possess either. One Swords Dance is enough to break through their defenses, just like one Nasty Plot from Azelf is enough to scare of any Milotic by using Thunderbolt. It doesn't take away that Milotic can still function well, as it has access to Hypnosis and it can pull of some nice tricks with ResTalking by utilizing it's Marvel Scale trait.Suicune and Milotic can't really do much to the big special threats like Azelf, Raikou or Alakazam. Not even Salamence, they'll still be taking major hits from Draco Meteor.
In my opinion, Choice Band Torterra makes one of it's best options, and therefore I mentioned that an Adamant nature can surely be useful on him.You should, like, ALWAYS use an Impish Torterra outside of CB, which I don't condone in any way.
EDIT:I'm trying to come up with a good EV spread for the guy, I want him to survive a max+ Atk CB Rhyperior's Megahorn or not-attacked Avalanche (both have the same effective BP on Torterra IIRC).
True, it can help with support as well by laying down Stealth Rock, and a team can greatly benefit from this.torterra doesnt need to be loading up on attack evs to be usefull to a team..............it still has a support movepool that will make it usefull outside of countering tyranitar...........and as ADH said........the quakeslide resist it has will probaly benefit you every game as those moves are very common...........heck it even beats the crap outta non ice fang gyrados......so as u can see it doesnt have to pump Atk evs to be useful to a team
Not necessary, Choice Band is ATK*1.5, right?A Max Atk Adamant, Choice Band Rhyperior's Megahorn does approximately 81 - 95% damage on a Torterra with an Impish nature and maxed out Def and HP.
According to my calculations, if you're going for 212 HP EVs, you only need 224 EVs in Def to guaranteedly survive a hit like that. That puts you at 332 Def, which is, according to Marriland's Damage Calculator, enough to receive "only" 383 damage from a CB'd Megahorn at max.Any +DEF natured Torterra with 212 HP and 238 DEF EV's will guarantee you survival, and put you at a magic 384 HPs, with 50 leftover to play around with.
your contradicting yourself here............you stated before that if torterra is adamant it cant withstand CBtars crunches .........you calacs above show its as a 2hko therefore meaning adamant torterra cant switch in and as for barrier and acid armour they still wont be used except for BP teams as to effectively counter a pkmn you have to be able to switch into it and to do this and then use sommething like barrier is asking for a free hit or a set up or something..........imo those moves arent worth it outside of BP teamsTherefore my point, that if you're going for an Impish nature with Leftovers and an EV spread based on countering T-Tar, the overall effectiviness of that Torterra on your team might not be as good as when you're going with an Adamant nature and Choice Band. It can then take down a wider variety of pokemon and it can still be able to counter Tyranitar effectively.