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NOC a nice basic game of actual mafia - game over - won by the Mafia
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I read up from all the way back to the first scum lynch we got on Tropius. Ever since then p much all of Twin's posts have been "oml ur bad" "why do you think that?" and "lynch person who is Bad At Mafia" while providing no reason as to why they're bad, no real alternatives, and essentially just disagreeing. Anybody who has scum read them me, aubisio have been scum read by twin, with the majority of the basis being "you're bad at this game and must be scum" when I'm p sure that's been the basis of all of our mislynches except for Tropius and Empoof, both of whom were "slam dunks" with Empoof resigning and Tropius being inspected as guilty
Fun fact I only pushed 1 mislynch on sandshrewz and that was because nobody believed in my tropius read and his play was too scummy to ignore
I'm pushing it because this is how I'm going to stop the town from mislynching me.
Essentially, a Josh, Abusio, FH mafia team wouldn't make sense. If this was the case, then there'd be just one reason for Abusio/Josh to try hard to lynch me. Mostly, to clear their own names and avoid suspicion. Even as it currently stands, they want me gone just so they have another night to lower towns numbers before one of them gets lynched off tomorrow.
So to dispute the theory now, regardless if Abusio flips mafia, continue to suspect me. If we then lynch Josh tomorrow and he flips mafia, keep suspecting me and try to find the 3rd member.
With that said, if we remove the possibility of Josh/Abusio being on my mafia, then the question comes up on who is my mafia partners. If we remove DLE and Twin (though Twin I'm not so sure about, their refusal to state why they think I'm guilty annoys me) for being town members and Shubaka for not being CC'd yet, the only possible people who would be my partners are:
pancake
Oddish
Whydon
That said, one of those three is probably mafia if none of the excluded people are...
Just in case, I'll also explain some of my earlier playing. - Essentially my mafia experience comprises of TOS and real life, of which TOS is really info based and real life mafia I tend to use body language as my main deducing ability. So my ability to read people just from text alone really needs improving (x.x), because of that my reads have been pretty weak just as I don't have a whole of of readings on people that weren't obvious. My real only read was on Whydon for making that same mistake twice and then in my head forming a whydon/sand conspiracy which proved false, making me doubt my read on Whydon and ultimately changing my opinion on him to probably town.
All that said, I would strongly advocate for lynching Josh/Abusio today and tomorrow and people looking closer into their teamwork this game.
Essentially, a Josh, Abusio, FH mafia team wouldn't make sense. If this was the case, then there'd be just one reason for Abusio/Josh to try hard to lynch me. Mostly, to clear their own names and avoid suspicion. Even as it currently stands, they want me gone just so they have another night to lower towns numbers before one of them gets lynched off tomorrow.
So to dispute the theory now, regardless if Abusio flips mafia, continue to suspect me. If we then lynch Josh tomorrow and he flips mafia, keep suspecting me and try to find the 3rd member.
With that said, if we remove the possibility of Josh/Abusio being on my mafia, then the question comes up on who is my mafia partners. If we remove DLE and Twin (though Twin I'm not so sure about, their refusal to state why they think I'm guilty annoys me) for being town members and Shubaka for not being CC'd yet, the only possible people who would be my partners are:
pancake
Oddish
Whydon
That said, one of those three is probably mafia if none of the excluded people are...
Just in case, I'll also explain some of my earlier playing. - Essentially my mafia experience comprises of TOS and real life, of which TOS is really info based and real life mafia I tend to use body language as my main deducing ability. So my ability to read people just from text alone really needs improving (x.x), because of that my reads have been pretty weak just as I don't have a whole of of readings on people that weren't obvious. My real only read was on Whydon for making that same mistake twice and then in my head forming a whydon/sand conspiracy which proved false, making me doubt my read on Whydon and ultimately changing my opinion on him to probably town.
All that said, I would strongly advocate for lynching Josh/Abusio today and tomorrow and people looking closer into their teamwork this game.
i am not working with aubisio, he is the number 2 on my suspicion list. right after you. its also cute how 2 of the 3 you listed are people i suspect (whydon and pancake). after reflecting ive decided the following:
-shubaka is confirmed town until someone ccs which it doesn't look like anyone is doing.
-oddish isnt confirmed but i have an extremely towny read on her and would be very surprised if she wasnt.
this leaves aubisio, dle, fh, pancake, ttm and whydon. i am feeling a maf team of fh/the more likely aubisio and whydon or the less likely pancake over one of them. i feel the strongest about fh by far but i trust shubaka and oddish so if they want to go with aubisio (or whydon/pancake but aubisio seems like the more popular option) i am fine with that. i don't really like ttm as maf but it could fit over one of them ig. same with dle although slightly less suspicious than ttm
also former hope what elo do you play tos at ooc
-shubaka is confirmed town until someone ccs which it doesn't look like anyone is doing.
-oddish isnt confirmed but i have an extremely towny read on her and would be very surprised if she wasnt.
this leaves aubisio, dle, fh, pancake, ttm and whydon. i am feeling a maf team of fh/the more likely aubisio and whydon or the less likely pancake over one of them. i feel the strongest about fh by far but i trust shubaka and oddish so if they want to go with aubisio (or whydon/pancake but aubisio seems like the more popular option) i am fine with that. i don't really like ttm as maf but it could fit over one of them ig. same with dle although slightly less suspicious than ttm
also former hope what elo do you play tos at ooc
Former's Hope behavior makes me sorta uncomfortable. I feel like they're trying to say anything that will get the suspicion off of them (or at least trying to get people to stop pressuring them). Plus the constant push on me all game (while understandable) seems just like a very convenient push considering the fact that their reason for suspecting me has been the same all game long.
Will read and post more later.
Will read and post more later.
because you asked nicely #sarcasm
Aubisio
-me
Da Letter El
Seems like a fairly townish behaviour. Led lynch on tropius (could be bus). They're either VT or Mastermind, for sure.
Former Hope
Probably my biggest scumread right now. Seems somewhat desperate to get suspicion off. i'm not really sure we should lynch them yet but if i HAD to vote somebody i would vote them. i suppose it's OMGUS but w/e :\
pancake
THE SUBS. THE SUBS. I don't actually think that all these subs actually have that much effect on the game. I'm not really swinging to either side for scum/town. If i had to say something it would be "innocent bystander". I don't really see why they're on some people's scumlists.
Josh
New sub. Harmon was acting kinda scummy and I'm not sure I really liked anything they did. Could be just playstyle, though. Josh seems pretty decent.
shubaka17
UnCCed, so basically clear.
SomewhatOddish
No opinion either. I feel like they're in the same boat as Pancake.
Thetwinmasters
Pretty pushy but a town sort of pushy. Shubaka claiming makes them seem townier as far as i can tell.
Whydon
See Oddish and Pancake. Townier after shrewz
Aubisio
-me
Da Letter El
Seems like a fairly townish behaviour. Led lynch on tropius (could be bus). They're either VT or Mastermind, for sure.
Former Hope
Probably my biggest scumread right now. Seems somewhat desperate to get suspicion off. i'm not really sure we should lynch them yet but if i HAD to vote somebody i would vote them. i suppose it's OMGUS but w/e :\
pancake
THE SUBS. THE SUBS. I don't actually think that all these subs actually have that much effect on the game. I'm not really swinging to either side for scum/town. If i had to say something it would be "innocent bystander". I don't really see why they're on some people's scumlists.
Josh
New sub. Harmon was acting kinda scummy and I'm not sure I really liked anything they did. Could be just playstyle, though. Josh seems pretty decent.
shubaka17
UnCCed, so basically clear.
SomewhatOddish
No opinion either. I feel like they're in the same boat as Pancake.
Thetwinmasters
Pretty pushy but a town sort of pushy. Shubaka claiming makes them seem townier as far as i can tell.
Whydon
See Oddish and Pancake. Townier after shrewz
I've actually gone through all of your posts in this thread and you have not stated specifics of why I am scum. Can you please explain in greater detail? I'm just pretty confused.
Aubisio's reads are actually not reads at all, they say basically nothing. This is definitely not aubisio's regular town behavior.
However, there is something important to note.
Aubisio's three "neutral innocent bystander reads" are also the three people former hope say are the only people who have the chance of being his partners. This kind of makes sense; perhaps they are avoiding teaming/obvious buddying but like Aubisio scumreads former so I'm pretty sure one of the two of them are scum, at least.
Lynch Aubisio
Nothing to quote, it's a gut read. Gut reading is a huge part of tos because of how fast paced it is so I'd like to think I'm pretty good at it. You having 3 subs doesnt help. But former hope and aubisio are far scummier so I'd definitely rather lynch those 2 first. Former hope is playing exactly like a scum would in tos, the game they play, which is why I'm pushing them so hard. I'm sorry if I'm wrong but I'd feel so stupid if I didn't try my hardest to get you lynched and you beat town because of it. If I was vig I'd shoot them, that's how confident I am.
I want to hear SomewhatOddish and shubaka17 have to say on the matter as well.
Also I have work from 5 edt and won't have time to check my computer after so let's get this discussion done in the next 6 hours if possible please
I want to hear SomewhatOddish and shubaka17 have to say on the matter as well.
Also I have work from 5 edt and won't have time to check my computer after so let's get this discussion done in the next 6 hours if possible please
On how I feel about pancake?
I don't think pancake has posted enough for me to get a good enough read on them. They've been subbed a lot, and out of all those subs, the only person who posted anything of substance is Mithril, who I read as town. I think we should hold off voting them for now.
Former Hope didn't start out scummy to me, but has gotten scummier as the days went on. I decided to look back at their day 1 play, and noticed that they hardly posted anything of substance. On page 15, post 359, they give scumreads but don't really go into specifics as to why. They were also incredibly inactive, but I gave them the benefit of the doubt since they gave a reason. However, their day 2 wasn't any better, as both Blazade and King pointed out, and this time, they had no excuse. It's interesting to note that the first person to see FH as scummy was Blazade, who conveniently died the next day. Here's the d2 vote count for reference:
Final Votecount
sandshrewz (5): Whydon, Thetwinmasters, Da Letter El, King_, SomewhatOddish
Aubisio (1): sandshrewz
Haruno (1): shubaka17
Former hope (1): Blazade
Whydon (1): Former Hope
Sure, King died before Blazade, but that's because King was most likely seen as more of a threat. Unless it's a coincidence, this play actually falls in line with DLE's theory that the mafia for this game is mostly comprised of less experienced people, which FH admitted to being both earlier on this page, and all the way back at the beginning of d1 in their conversation with DLE (well, at the very least FH isn't experienced with playing online). Of course, it is entirely possible though that mafia could be doing what they're doing on purpose to make us suspicious of newer payers, so that one might not matter as much. Could also be a coincidence. Still, I felt it might be something worthy of noting.
Their iso on page 30, post 743 once again isn't very detailed. In general, it's interesting that they've been pushing others for more detail, but haven't really gone into much themselves. The reasoning they gave for believing that me, pancake, and DLE could possibly be mafia on the next page is weird to me, but I let it slide. Though if FH ends up flipping mafia, it makes all of us look townier imo. As of now, FH is beginning to look desperate. Pancake also pointed this out:
While I still feel better about Aubisio, if FH gets lynched tonight, I won't mind.
Sorry this took so long, Josh. I had to go over the thread a few times.
Former Hope didn't start out scummy to me, but has gotten scummier as the days went on. I decided to look back at their day 1 play, and noticed that they hardly posted anything of substance. On page 15, post 359, they give scumreads but don't really go into specifics as to why. They were also incredibly inactive, but I gave them the benefit of the doubt since they gave a reason. However, their day 2 wasn't any better, as both Blazade and King pointed out, and this time, they had no excuse. It's interesting to note that the first person to see FH as scummy was Blazade, who conveniently died the next day. Here's the d2 vote count for reference:
Final Votecount
sandshrewz (5): Whydon, Thetwinmasters, Da Letter El, King_, SomewhatOddish
Aubisio (1): sandshrewz
Haruno (1): shubaka17
Former hope (1): Blazade
Whydon (1): Former Hope
Sure, King died before Blazade, but that's because King was most likely seen as more of a threat. Unless it's a coincidence, this play actually falls in line with DLE's theory that the mafia for this game is mostly comprised of less experienced people, which FH admitted to being both earlier on this page, and all the way back at the beginning of d1 in their conversation with DLE (well, at the very least FH isn't experienced with playing online). Of course, it is entirely possible though that mafia could be doing what they're doing on purpose to make us suspicious of newer payers, so that one might not matter as much. Could also be a coincidence. Still, I felt it might be something worthy of noting.
Their iso on page 30, post 743 once again isn't very detailed. In general, it's interesting that they've been pushing others for more detail, but haven't really gone into much themselves. The reasoning they gave for believing that me, pancake, and DLE could possibly be mafia on the next page is weird to me, but I let it slide. Though if FH ends up flipping mafia, it makes all of us look townier imo. As of now, FH is beginning to look desperate. Pancake also pointed this out:
which I also think is worth noting. Once again, could be coincidence, but it's food for thought.
While I still feel better about Aubisio, if FH gets lynched tonight, I won't mind.
Sorry this took so long, Josh. I had to go over the thread a few times.
I acknowledged the possibility that it was a coincidence/possibly someone more experienced trying to make newer players looks more suspicious. However, you just admitted to being not that inexperienced, so you're still not completely out of the woods yet.
Both Blazade and King noticed you were afk. King even confronted you. Just because you weren't asked doesn't mean you couldn't say anything. Also...
This was your excuse for not being around d1. While I'm not trying to say I don't believe it, the way you worded this post implied that you were back from said trip. This was posted Sept 11, which was a Sunday.
This is an important lesson everyone!!! Never lose your read on someone when someone subs in for them unless if their read was solely based on activity. This is important because of how much I've been subbed out, so consider your reads on mithril and coconut, whether they were scum OR town, before reading me. Josh does this too for some reason ?_____?
speaking of Josh, please explain this.
I really don't get why you slashed Aubisio and I. Do you feel as though if I am town, Aubisio is scum, and vice versa? If so, why are you lynching former hope? you should instead be lynching one of us for maximum info. Please explain this, because if you don't, your reads are invalid in my eyes.
Would like to point out some weird relationships among players in this game. Just some commentary:
Aubisio and Former Hope
pancake said:
Josh / Haruno and Da Letter El
Because DLE prevented a possible lynch on Haruno, if Josh/Haruno flips a certain faction, I find it extremely, extremely likely that DLE is the same faction. If DLE was scum and Haruno was town, then why would DLE prevent a mislynch just to make himself seem slightly more town? If he did this, that would be a terrible play. If Haruno flips scum, then it makes sense that DLE was trying to prevent a lynch on his partner.
Those are some of the relationships for now ;3 perhaps I'll post more later but for now continuing to lynch aubisio
I prefer a FH lynch but aubisio is also fine
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