Gen 3 ADV NU Discussion

[Rabia]

where's the stall I may need it for future purposes.

 

[Django]

where's the stall I may need it for future purposes.

It’s your shuckle stall

 

[Rabia]

It’s your shuckle stall

ah django you see that was the joke I simply wanted you to let everyone know my team was a winner HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

 

[Bughouse]

ALTPL was a lot of fun, going 5-2 and winning the tour. built a few new teams with Stox which I wanna share:

W2 vs Larry
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We didn't think Larry was very familiar with this tier, and so wouldn't bring anything too crazy. We wanted to do the same and bring a pretty standard double water + para team. Octillery is an awesome double water lead, and starts para off. Sub Wail is something gaining popularity which can claim multiple kills once the opps grass is weakened / para'd (which Octillery should ensure). Bellossom + Metang as a defensive core covers most major stuff, and CM Chime + BU Chan are both insane wincons especially with some para around. Game plays out p much as expected with Octillery breaking Rose + Wail, then cleaning up later.

Semis vs Mint Yerb
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The scout for this game was lacking grounds and made Plusle look insanely good. I wanted to tun Plusle + Magnet Haunter as these two would be able to break through the spdef walls used to check electrics rather than ground types. The scout was more Roselia heavy than Bellossom, but in game ended up facing Bello which was harder to break. SubToxic Haunter with Leftovers would have been a good option to break this mon and I would probably run that > Magnet. Torkoal also looked really nice into their scout with several key targets like Flareon, and Toxic paired well with Protect Chimecho. Metang was feeling almost mandatory at this point and ended up being really important this game vs CB Pidge and Golbat. Wanted Dewgong as a faster water with no para on this team and no priority either, and fast Encore (along with Plusle Encore) slowing down opposing Chimecho

Finals vs Oathkeeper
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Having stalled Oath W1 I knew I couldn't bring it again (as tempting as it was) since DDJoe would be prepping well enough against it. Looking at my own scout we hadn't touched a single bird all tournament, so it felt like this was a good time to go for it. I went through a few versions of this, and CB Murk + Lickitung is another option here over Pidge and Kecleon. The basic approach was to start with CB Pidge + Curse Golbat + Spikes Cac, as the pressure from these three should overwhelm Metang / Sableye. From there we needed to handle Electrics and Haunter, as well as checking waters and opposing birds / rat. Metang + Kecleon covers most of this while also giving a good Sleep absorber. Waters are still a little scary, especially Octillery, so I wanted to lead bulky Plusle to not give up any room to them. SubPass into Cacturne or Golbat is also powerful early game to either get Spikes or just start breaking. Team plays pretty simply - get spikes, break with golbat, win with Pidgeot. The game played out pretty much as expected as well.

Other stuff were just small edits to existing teams so not gonna post and claim as our own.

I enjoyed ADV NU a lot this tour, and definitely found building more interesting now post-Glalie. The spikers are all kind of bad, so you have to make an actual tradeoff to use Spikes which is good since they are crazy broken. Using Cacturne or Roselia means you can't run Bellossom which just checks so much by itself, and Pineco / Omanyte are really really underwhelming. This makes building a lot more interesting and also makes Spikes weaks mons much more reliable. SpDef walls can switch into Haunter much more easily and Metang / Sab can more consistently handle the normals / birds. It's nice to see the tier developing further and looking forward to ADVPL!

PSA to anyone who comes to threads like these to steal teams. do not use the finals team unless you enjoy being 6-0ed by pupitar if you ever kill anything with 4/6 of the team (Plusle, Golbat, Pidgeot, Kecleon).

I think if I was going to attempt to fix this while still keeping the spirit of the team (double bird, plusle, spikes is what seems to be the idea, with metang and kecleon as glue), I think I would probably have to do a phys def whiscash + spdef roselia over kecleon and cacturne? I'm not even sure if that works, but if you swap out kecleon you probably do need to enhance the special tankiness on the spiker to not get rolled even worse by waters. Otherwise, while keeping the double bird, you could abandon either spikes or Plusle. If abandoning spikes, you could go for a mix def bellossom over cacturne. Alternatively, if plusle is being swapped, whiscash or a mach hitmonchan over plusle could work. I would not stack bellossom and cacturne. Another more niche option that checks pupitar well is Kingler so maybe could swap that over plusle too, but not sure it really fits here without much to support it. Also, I personally wouldn't want to rely on my primary/sole pupitar check being on lead on a team this weak to it though so if Plusle is being swapped out for something else, I'd also probably move pidgeot to lead in that case.

Out of all these options the one that seems most appealing to me is probably just doing the mix def Bello over Cacturne and giving up spikes. Spikes really is the only thing Cacturne is contributing to this team. What little defensive utility Cacturne provides for Haunter or whatever, Kecleon is already providing (and Bellossom would too). Yes, having spikes to help break things down is good, but Bello can do that with status or leech seed too. Being double bird and having Kecleon to absorb status also means that using Bello and giving Roselia free entry just wouldn't be a problem for this team.

to the other 2 teams though. they seem pretty usable. Some good matchups, some bad matchups, but nothing glaring that 6-0s ;)