Keep the format the same as last year (i.e. 3 SV Bo1 + 1 SV Bo3):
Just don't, 6-7 SV teams a week, same amount of games, the tier is awful currently, many players would agree with me on this, the tier is not fun enough to justify having
6 TO 7 teams and games a week, SS or SM would only have 2 games and teams a week, more than 50% of the games in the week would be SV. 3 SV BO1 + no SV in multi is the best option for SV imo.
2nd SM AG:
This one is interesting, AGWL had enough players to make it very nice, enjoyed it a LOT, that's my favorite option.
SS NDAG (DLC 1):
People doesn't dislike it because the tier is bad but because "it shouldn't be there", GUYS I PREFER THIS RATHER THAN DPP OR 7 SV A WEEK. I don't play this but everyone say it's fun, the other natdex tournament with it had great signups, great potential to make strong player returns in AGPL and potentially support other old gen slots, sounds good.
2nd SS AG:
As much as I love SS AG I don't think that can work, not with enough quality for it to be nice. AGWL had nice SS overall though I believe, so not against it, SM is way more popular though and I think most people would prefer to watch 2 SM rather than 2 SS.
Wildcard:
That's a very good one imo (If it's SS/SM/ORAS, complete trash if SV), same than
oldgen bo3 but only 1 game, oldgen bo3 is my fav tier in PL, 2 oldgen bo3 would be too much but 1 old gen bo3 + 1 wildcard is very interesting, I highly support it.
Digression:
Probably by now you get that I support old gens a lot, that was AG peak era and most enjoyed AG gens, sure format rules is necessary but mons is a game before everything and the point of a game is to be fun, I prefer to see a tier that is fun rather than an unfun tier because "yes but it's the current gen". Not only referring to SV slots or SS NDAG, just as a whole, new generation people say they don't know much/at all about old gens, are we gonna forget those tiers from the past that were enjoyed so much to play current gen instead? Can't we just offer newer player who didn't know oldgen a chance to watch old gens games, or even play those? The overall playerbase decreased a lot in the last few years, overall level or hype, we were close to have USUM AG in SMPL, have you ever seen SV AG being
Accepted as a tournament tier in a PL? SMPL said USUM AG would be part of the tournament, even though it got cut off it was choosen in the first place, to me it just confirm USUM AG is a very enjoyed and popular tier, way more than SV is. It's not our fault if SV is less fun than USUM, but forcing to have so much SV like the 7 games a week idea feels wrong for such reasons, we don't know who voted in the poll but anyone is allowed to vote, and that's including people who are obviously gonna be undrafted but vote SV because more SV slots = more chance for them to be drafted, since that's the only gen they know. I'm part of the ppl who would support getting an USUM AG ladder in 2025 as it's by far the most enjoyed AG gen overall, mons is a game and I'm looking at fun before everything else, old gens are more enjoyed, and waaaaay less clowned on, I don't care about "we need to have current gen > rest", I care about the people who'd play in the tour, what they want, if they want SV let it be SV, but allow old gens if that is what people want, a public poll can't show us what
players want since anyone can vote, looking at what people said in this thread/disc SV isn't very supported, i'd like to see more discussions about this, or a poll sent to last year players, something like that.
DPP AG:
The reason why I made such a huge post about old gen before the final tier, DPP is an exception, no real playerbase, we have a DPP tour every year, look at 2024 one, the number of signup was so low, almost all of them were people with less than 10 posts, very few games were played, and the ones played I can safely say they weren't has high level as what SM or SS or even SV slot are. What's the point in a slot where players are people that will probably make a lot of mistakes? that's not fun to watch. And yes a few players like
JK or
Bread Sandwich like this tier and play it, is this enough to make a playerbase? A metagame? clearly not, the thing is, even if we can get a player for each team, that'll just be the 3k slot end auctions, literally the slot managers don't care about as there isn't even enough people who play this on a common basis to have 1 slot/team, even DPP Ubers players don't want to signup to play DPP AG, so what do you think will happen in the auctions? Managers will draft whatever DPP OU/lower tiers player sign up and will tell them to do something, or they will draft whatever else they can for 3k, There is no chance managers spend more than 4k on their DPP slot, this tier would just make AGPL worse imo, it's a
team tournament, players are supposed to work in team, not a slot being left completely alone because no one know DPP.
Final Point:
First of all, I've been told poll alone won't decide what the final tier is, it's just to consider what people like, so don't feel forced to vote for x option because you prefer it over x, like vote ndag because you just don't want SV and other options have no chance, that's not the point, vote for your favorite option, if it's less popular than like the top 1 you should really make a support post for it, that's what will matter the most when host make the final decision, if you bring strong arguments to your tier it could be selected, if you don't don't complain the selected tier is one you don't like. Also I'd like to point out that we have a
WINTER LEAGUE, this tournament is a smaller one, and is the perfect occasion to try things (we tried 2 SS + 2 SM this year) like DPP, don't try new things in the biggest AG teamtour of the year. Also don't make multigen but oldgen plz, way funnier, or allow ppl to start with whatever tier they want, forced SV g1 is terrible. Finally, here is a few format options I'd like:
- SV AG
- SV AG
- SV AG
- SS AG
- USUM AG
- USUM AG
- ORAS AG
- Multigen Bo3 (SS / SM / ORAS)
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- SV AG
- SV AG
- SV AG
- SS AG
- SS NDAG DLC 1
- USUM AG
- ORAS AG
- Multigen Bo3 (SS / SM / ORAS)
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- SV AG
- SV AG
- SV AG
- SS AG
- USUM AG
- ORAS AG
- Wildcard (SS / SM / ORAS)
- Multigen Bo3 (SS / SM / ORAS)
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Thanks to the few people who read it all, remember to fight against 7 SV games/week, and have a good day or night!
), SSNDAG will be considered as a possible tier for the remaining slot.
