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Mafia vs Village ALLCAPS INVITATIONAL Mafia - Game Over: ALMOSTS Win! Postgame P13
- Thread starter Yeti
- Start date
I am wary on who to trust this game. I voted along to pressure Zorbees, because we had no clear sense of direction and we needed a wagon to get things moving. I spoke to AG after voting, and he voted along to pressure Zorbees (after our chat).
Session Start: Fri Apr 15 19:04:46 2016
Session Ident: Aura_Guardian
[19:04] <Aura_Guardian> hi
[19:04] <Gale> So what do you think about the game?
[19:05] <Aura_Guardian> I think there's NO WAY UncleSam wouldn't be tryng to lead more than he really is
[19:05] <Aura_Guardian> something is up
[19:05] <Gale> Yeah I agree
[19:05] <Gale> He seems hesitant to lead, which is unlike him
[19:06] <Gale> I actually wanted to vote US to see whats up, but Zorbees could use some pressure now
[19:06] <Aura_Guardian> oh, I missed his post of 36 mins ago or so
[19:09] <Gale> Well based on Zorbees' reaction we would know if US is scum or not
[19:13] <Gale> Okay cool, lets see how things go. I will be on later. C ya.
[19:14] <Aura_Guardian> cya
Session Close: Fri Apr 15 19:14:17 2016
I nodded at Jalmont's post, that before we go into Role names, we need to talk about which roles are reliable to lead. But as he pointed out, it is too late to discuss about that already.
Imo, if a leader doesn't contribute himself and asks others to claim or contribute themselves. Then it would lead to suspicion as to what the leader is actually doing. Is he getting the information to lead, or is he actually role fishing?
I am not comfortable claiming to AG atm, I will claim when necessary or when I am comfortable, and not when I am threatened.
Session Start: Fri Apr 15 19:04:46 2016
Session Ident: Aura_Guardian
[19:04] <Aura_Guardian> hi
[19:04] <Gale> So what do you think about the game?
[19:05] <Aura_Guardian> I think there's NO WAY UncleSam wouldn't be tryng to lead more than he really is
[19:05] <Aura_Guardian> something is up
[19:05] <Gale> Yeah I agree
[19:05] <Gale> He seems hesitant to lead, which is unlike him
[19:06] <Gale> I actually wanted to vote US to see whats up, but Zorbees could use some pressure now
[19:06] <Aura_Guardian> oh, I missed his post of 36 mins ago or so
[19:09] <Gale> Well based on Zorbees' reaction we would know if US is scum or not
[19:13] <Gale> Okay cool, lets see how things go. I will be on later. C ya.
[19:14] <Aura_Guardian> cya
Session Close: Fri Apr 15 19:14:17 2016
I nodded at Jalmont's post, that before we go into Role names, we need to talk about which roles are reliable to lead. But as he pointed out, it is too late to discuss about that already.
Imo, if a leader doesn't contribute himself and asks others to claim or contribute themselves. Then it would lead to suspicion as to what the leader is actually doing. Is he getting the information to lead, or is he actually role fishing?
I am not comfortable claiming to AG atm, I will claim when necessary or when I am comfortable, and not when I am threatened.
Me and DLE mutually agreed not to lead this game because the best players leading every single game is killing activity, killing the playerbase, and destroying this forum.
Not to mention it just isn't fun to have that burden every game. Nor, apparently, is it fun for anyone else.
Outside of that I have no clue what Gale is trying to say (surprise) but I agree that I don't trust AG at this point, as I've said before.
Not to mention it just isn't fun to have that burden every game. Nor, apparently, is it fun for anyone else.
Outside of that I have no clue what Gale is trying to say (surprise) but I agree that I don't trust AG at this point, as I've said before.
VOTE TALLY
Correct if wrong or suffer a mislynch:
AG: Flyhn
sunny004: Flyhn
penguin344: sunny004
UncleSam: penguin344
Slim Guldo: unvoted
Gale: unvoted
jalmont: WMax
zorbees: no lynch
Walrein: DLE
Blazade: penguin344
Maleovex: unvoted
LightWolf: no lynch
shade: zorbees
DLE: LightWolf
billymills: zorbees
Flyhn: no vote
rssp1: no vote
At the current moment:
penguin344: 2 votes
Flyhn: 2 votes
zorbees: 2 votes
No Lynch: 2 votes
Are going to tie and result in a no lynch (barring vote manipulators).
Day One will end at 2PM PST 4/16. This is the FINAL extension. I have a school event at 3:30, so this day will end at 2. Get yourselves organized by then.
Correct if wrong or suffer a mislynch:
AG: Flyhn
sunny004: Flyhn
penguin344: sunny004
UncleSam: penguin344
Slim Guldo: unvoted
Gale: unvoted
jalmont: WMax
zorbees: no lynch
Walrein: DLE
Blazade: penguin344
Maleovex: unvoted
LightWolf: no lynch
shade: zorbees
DLE: LightWolf
billymills: zorbees
Flyhn: no vote
rssp1: no vote
At the current moment:
penguin344: 2 votes
Flyhn: 2 votes
zorbees: 2 votes
No Lynch: 2 votes
Are going to tie and result in a no lynch (barring vote manipulators).
Day One will end at 2PM PST 4/16. This is the FINAL extension. I have a school event at 3:30, so this day will end at 2. Get yourselves organized by then.
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Additionally, here are all (I believe) the game sheets. Note that they will NOT include the example PMs in the OP or, likely, notable fake claims that were used. Some of them may list safe claims given, depended on my mood for balancing that mafia. Note that the threads are prob actually better bc if a role doesn't have a Smogon name by it, it wasn't actually used... some of them got eleventh hour cut.
Or you can.... use the Game Listing thread like I have said all along and ctrl-F my name to find what I hosted.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fHjtYIp-4AE1xooS1M8mq9YaDLiyTnM-fYiSuEdCGfA/edit#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17_FJ_s1pk0VinB7mgjdIp5dF00B7Bwn_VlgsVMQINHQ/edit#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pzCxLnyCTVVrKb9BV55krQsQlSJxHhXgwQiIGIFIyVg/edit#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C0hT4Ee13IPkqOQ4Wt-8E0uabdoVTqA_x5CpkrtfAB4/edit#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16ID3-xW3ZxXtf6oBzTsF5LdpxGU_b4LTwMxB-ot95xw/edit#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ILbLP42cUUHm9G-vEOuAgHuO4xYZiD4I6MWGBm6CRx8/edit#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16izWf0AnFWSL30D4JxitsRR_2S1A1HKyLXkukFOpECU/edit#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RBzx7CZq0F9SeXocAMxfw8LGSsGGQ54fVsJlOcet-Dc/edit#gid=3 (use Team Info sheet, the first one was modified when the game began/unfinished)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19_1zrbycgS_qhSYxN1RxmzVsCo0mS63gOAPnQJ5Naas/edit#gid=0
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Or you can.... use the Game Listing thread like I have said all along and ctrl-F my name to find what I hosted.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fHjtYIp-4AE1xooS1M8mq9YaDLiyTnM-fYiSuEdCGfA/edit#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17_FJ_s1pk0VinB7mgjdIp5dF00B7Bwn_VlgsVMQINHQ/edit#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pzCxLnyCTVVrKb9BV55krQsQlSJxHhXgwQiIGIFIyVg/edit#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C0hT4Ee13IPkqOQ4Wt-8E0uabdoVTqA_x5CpkrtfAB4/edit#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16ID3-xW3ZxXtf6oBzTsF5LdpxGU_b4LTwMxB-ot95xw/edit#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ILbLP42cUUHm9G-vEOuAgHuO4xYZiD4I6MWGBm6CRx8/edit#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16izWf0AnFWSL30D4JxitsRR_2S1A1HKyLXkukFOpECU/edit#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RBzx7CZq0F9SeXocAMxfw8LGSsGGQ54fVsJlOcet-Dc/edit#gid=3 (use Team Info sheet, the first one was modified when the game began/unfinished)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19_1zrbycgS_qhSYxN1RxmzVsCo0mS63gOAPnQJ5Naas/edit#gid=0
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Oh god I don't check on this for a day and it did turn into NOC sized. Barely got time to skim it and my internet is so shit my alerts don't load. Either way no this and your other statement on me is idiotic, I made it p clear I'm BUSY, and plenty people including the host knows I can't play LoL bots on certain Thursdays and Fridays till Saturday evening. And what do I defend myself with, it's a joke random lynch, even if you try to make it real it won't make me claim to anyone but AG, stop pretending there is a defense on can make to day 1 random lynches lol. The best one can do is point at someone else, which I'm subtly doing right now(cough cough US is reaching here cough)
Other than that we are just going through the playerlist and lynching them till someone fucks up claiming? God dammit
Okay first off: I quit NOC. Guess now that I'm being wagonned I have to go back on that, and now i'm pissed
Also, I won't claim until someone is proven to be 100% clean, because i'm not willing to risk it.
And finally, something about Maleovex just isn't rubbing me the right way, specifically the whole 'scapegoat' thing from before and just jumping on my wagon with zero explanation for it. 2 votes is pressure enough. Although I will give him time to explain this
That's all for now, but you've managed to wake me up. If you want at least a role name i'll be on irc, but I really don't want to claim just yet with no clears
Also, I won't claim until someone is proven to be 100% clean, because i'm not willing to risk it.
And finally, something about Maleovex just isn't rubbing me the right way, specifically the whole 'scapegoat' thing from before and just jumping on my wagon with zero explanation for it. 2 votes is pressure enough. Although I will give him time to explain this
That's all for now, but you've managed to wake me up. If you want at least a role name i'll be on irc, but I really don't want to claim just yet with no clears
All votes unbolded by me.
In short, Maleovex is trying to remain out of our sight, and out of our mind. Also, someone ELSE also claimed a power comparable to his, so of the two... between one who I've talked to and doesn't seem like they have a mafia mentality, and this guy...
Unvote
Vote Maleovex
At worst, this is a 50-50 based on who has what power.
Here we see him wagoning using the term "scapegoat" which is very much a way the mafia would think about things.
After UncleSam calls out Maleovex, and based on some other reactions, Maleovex posts this:
Another post, which I'm not going to quote, asked him to post something more substantive around that time, which he hasn't.
And, wagoning again. Nothing substantive.
In short, Maleovex is trying to remain out of our sight, and out of our mind. Also, someone ELSE also claimed a power comparable to his, so of the two... between one who I've talked to and doesn't seem like they have a mafia mentality, and this guy...
Unvote
Vote Maleovex
At worst, this is a 50-50 based on who has what power.
Aura Guardian is it true that penguin is the other side of that 50/50? Or is jalmont trolling?
It is true.
Keeping vote on penguin344 for now
As I've already tried to put pressure on him and he's done nothing but bandwagon, I'm obviously ok with the Maleovex lynch as well.
That being said, I do want to throw it out there that we saw Haunted.Diamond do very similar things in the last NOC game, and he was a villager. In other words, inexperienced players playing erratically isn't necessarily as good evidence as when more experienced players do this. Based on what I know penguin was relatively AFK (which he does every single game as mafia in my experience) and only claimed after being called out in the thread. To me, that makes him a better candidate than someone whose behavior, while extremely scummy (hell, I was the one who called out that scumminess) might simply be due to not knowing how to play.
penguin344 tagging so that he can address my concerns; namely, why is your play this game significantly different from your play in recent games where you were mafia? Because they look awfully similar to me.
I'll be on before deadline so I will change my vote if my concerns are adequately answered. Aura Guardian might have something to say about this as well, tagging him as well.
Edit: To be clear, AG said he was convinced by what penguin said on IRC, and I would like to know why that is, given that there is now new evidence to suggest that penguin is a 50/50 for mafia.
As I've already tried to put pressure on him and he's done nothing but bandwagon, I'm obviously ok with the Maleovex lynch as well.
That being said, I do want to throw it out there that we saw Haunted.Diamond do very similar things in the last NOC game, and he was a villager. In other words, inexperienced players playing erratically isn't necessarily as good evidence as when more experienced players do this. Based on what I know penguin was relatively AFK (which he does every single game as mafia in my experience) and only claimed after being called out in the thread. To me, that makes him a better candidate than someone whose behavior, while extremely scummy (hell, I was the one who called out that scumminess) might simply be due to not knowing how to play.
penguin344 tagging so that he can address my concerns; namely, why is your play this game significantly different from your play in recent games where you were mafia? Because they look awfully similar to me.
I'll be on before deadline so I will change my vote if my concerns are adequately answered. Aura Guardian might have something to say about this as well, tagging him as well.
Edit: To be clear, AG said he was convinced by what penguin said on IRC, and I would like to know why that is, given that there is now new evidence to suggest that penguin is a 50/50 for mafia.
Since I have to leave to get my phone fixed I won't be around for a couple hours, so I figured I should write up why I am (seriously) voting for penguin and why you should consider following.
According to village leader AG - penguin has claimed a similar role to the one Maleovex has. Having talked to people, I know that at least three people claim to have rogue-like abilities. Obviously, something isn't holding up here. I am also more inclined to believe Maleovex because when I made the troll village leader post, he claimed his role then to me (so before any considerations of lynching him came up). We don't know anything about penguin and AG's convo regarding the claim. It seems pretty likely that with the pressure that penguin was under, he could've came up with rogue as a claim on the spot to get the heat off him.
AG's case on maleovex also doesn't make a lot of sense considering penguin has made one post that didn't say anything so don't think that should really be a factor.
I am still very wary about claiming to AG, especially considering the fact that he refuses to elaborate on the different between the two roles. That's pretty important information if we want to make a decision on who to lynch. Why are we going off him telling us what to do? Wouldn't it be better if he released all the info so we can collectively decide? Seems pretty suspect to me.
In any case, I want to know what exactly penguin and maleovex's abilities are.
According to village leader AG - penguin has claimed a similar role to the one Maleovex has. Having talked to people, I know that at least three people claim to have rogue-like abilities. Obviously, something isn't holding up here. I am also more inclined to believe Maleovex because when I made the troll village leader post, he claimed his role then to me (so before any considerations of lynching him came up). We don't know anything about penguin and AG's convo regarding the claim. It seems pretty likely that with the pressure that penguin was under, he could've came up with rogue as a claim on the spot to get the heat off him.
AG's case on maleovex also doesn't make a lot of sense considering penguin has made one post that didn't say anything so don't think that should really be a factor.
I am still very wary about claiming to AG, especially considering the fact that he refuses to elaborate on the different between the two roles. That's pretty important information if we want to make a decision on who to lynch. Why are we going off him telling us what to do? Wouldn't it be better if he released all the info so we can collectively decide? Seems pretty suspect to me.
In any case, I want to know what exactly penguin and maleovex's abilities are.
Hey, my sheep vote on penguin went full circle and now it's a serious one.
I'm in agreement with Jalmont about basically everything here.
That people are claiming roles to an untrusted leader worries me, however it's been a day without counterclaims and Walrein explicitly said it was volcano flavor when we now know that allstars and almosts aren't as likely to have something like that. I'm beginning to take the leadership more seriously.
I'm in agreement with Jalmont about basically everything here.
That people are claiming roles to an untrusted leader worries me, however it's been a day without counterclaims and Walrein explicitly said it was volcano flavor when we now know that allstars and almosts aren't as likely to have something like that. I'm beginning to take the leadership more seriously.
This is my main reason for accepting penguin's inactivity at this time:
what penguin said on IRC reeked of the promised not being active... and I think he'd at least make some more effort...
The case vs Maleovix was, as I said, because of his behavior being scummy. I agree that both are suspicious, but I feel that Maleovix is the one most likely to be mafia of the two claimants.
HOWEVER
...
wait
I just double-checked what penguin claimed. I was ABOUT to say you aren't going to get that sort of info from me because that's ALSO handing info to the mafia. HOWEVER...
<penguin344> i'm factional rogue
<penguin344> if i get killed the user i target has his vote set to 0
EDIT: removed the timestamps; can provide more logs and context on IRC or by PM request.
While Yeti told me some roles would be out there... THAT ONE isn't just a bit wild, it doesn't have too much logic to it.
Unvote.
Vote Penguin344
FoS STRONGLY on Maleovix unless Penguin is mafia.
And, the one post he made was at my request.
what penguin said on IRC reeked of the promised not being active... and I think he'd at least make some more effort...
The case vs Maleovix was, as I said, because of his behavior being scummy. I agree that both are suspicious, but I feel that Maleovix is the one most likely to be mafia of the two claimants.
HOWEVER
...
wait
I just double-checked what penguin claimed. I was ABOUT to say you aren't going to get that sort of info from me because that's ALSO handing info to the mafia. HOWEVER...
<penguin344> i'm factional rogue
<penguin344> if i get killed the user i target has his vote set to 0
EDIT: removed the timestamps; can provide more logs and context on IRC or by PM request.
While Yeti told me some roles would be out there... THAT ONE isn't just a bit wild, it doesn't have too much logic to it.
Unvote.
Vote Penguin344
FoS STRONGLY on Maleovix unless Penguin is mafia.
unvote
lynch penguin344
lynch penguin344
I spoke to Maleovex too, and didn't get any scum vibes from him. Also, since he claimed to Jalmont before he was a lynch target, I would believe him over Penguin.
Tbh, penguin's post in which he voted sunny seems fishy. It appears like a 'scum who has managed to convince the town leader', and is relieved that he is off the hook.
I would like to hear from AG about the difference between the two claims before voting though. If they are exactly the same roles, then my vote will be for Penguin. But if not, then its possible that Penguin is just inactive, which Imo is NAI.
Tbh, penguin's post in which he voted sunny seems fishy. It appears like a 'scum who has managed to convince the town leader', and is relieved that he is off the hook.
I would like to hear from AG about the difference between the two claims before voting though. If they are exactly the same roles, then my vote will be for Penguin. But if not, then its possible that Penguin is just inactive, which Imo is NAI.