An honest attempt at an original VGC team.

Blooroo22

This team is meant to NOT be your average Kyogre rain dance, Abomasnow hail, t-tar sandstorm, etc. I wanted something original, effective, and fun to use at the same time. This is my first time i will be going to the VGC, and also my first time using ubers. So all help is appreciated.

This is the third(and hopefully last haha) time creating a VGC team in the past week. Thanks in advance for your help



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Gengar@ Expert Belt
Ability: Levitate
Nature:Timid
EVs: 6 hp/252 Sp.Atk/252 Speed
~Shadow Ball
~Sludge Bomb
~Thunder
~Protect

Gengar is chosen because he is very versatile and can damage a lot of the enemy pokemon for good damage such as kyogre, giratina, lugia, ho-oh, abomasnow, latios. His EV's are extremely obvious as to why they were chosen. Shadow Ball is a move meant for Giratina, Lugia, Latios, Latias. Sludge Bomb is his most powerful stab which i will use when all options are neutral. It is also super effective against the ever-so-common abomasnow. T-Bolt/Thunder is for kyogre but is also effective against other flying types. Protect is for protection. The only poke that i can think of atm that totally walls this is Dialga, but my next poke helps with that.




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Swampert@ Lefties
Ability: Torrent
Nature: Adamant
EV's: 252hp/252atk/6def
~EQ
~Waterfall
~Ice Punch
~Protect


I don't know if starting off w/out any of my ubers is a bit odd, but this seems to make the most sense to me. He's meant to be able to work really well with Gengar, and also do lots of damage. There isn't any point in putting any speed on him, so he has max attack and max hp. EQ is to help with the things, such as dialga, that wall gengar, plus its an AWESOME stab move. It works well with gengar cuz of levitate. Waterfall is also another good stab, useful against mon like ho-oh and others. Now the last two slots are where i could use some help. I really don't know if Protect is necessary, if its not, then i would probably go with Low Kick and Rock Slide. Please help me on this.


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Ho-Oh@ Charti Berry
Ability:Pressure
Nature:Jolly
EV's: 252 atk/252speed/6hp
~Sacred Fire
~Brave Bird
~EQ
~Roost

Ho-Oh is surprisingly underused. I understand the weariness of Rock type moves, but its not like its that hard to avoid. The EV's are meant to create him into a physical sweeper. Sacred Fire is a sweet stab move with a 50% chance to burn! Brave Bird is his strongest move, but I have to be careful with the recoil. EQ is for use against people like T-Tar and the others who resist his primary two moves. I chose roost over Protect because i think its more useful on him because it heals you, and also drops the flying type for that turn. Please help me decide on his nature.



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Rayquaza @ yache berry
Ability: Air Lock
Nature:Jolly
~Dragon Claw
~Earthquake
~Extreme Speed
~Protect

This is most likely my replacement for Giratina unless you all find it completely horrible. Dragon claw is his stab move, good for use against dragons. EQ works extremely well on my team so its almost a given. Extreme Speed is a must on Ray. Now for the last slot i chose protect after much deliberation. Jolly nature for the speed boost.


Well anyway thanks in advance for all of your help and revisions to me team.

Feel free to comment on ANY aspect of the team, for i can use any help.
 
It appears to me that a fighting move would be happily teched somewhere as it's an effective counter to both metagross and T-tar, which are both expected to be heavily abused.
Also, i think you're slightly overestimating how long your Arcanine will stick around with so little defensive EV investment.
 
Ur right, i couldn't decide on the moveset for Groudon. i almost gave it hammer arm, but i ended up deciding on the set i have now. And from what i have seen of this Arcanine set so far, it is really bulky and can take a lot of hits due to intimidate. I am a bit worried about this team though, as it is REALLY unconventional. Its won about 15 straight now on PBR and is undefeated, but how much does that really count?

Plus i just realized i haven't even taken Smeargle into consideration! Do you think i should switch Arcanine's lefties for a lum?

I think i'm going to start trying to test it against actual VGC people on skarmbliss or something.

Can you think of any more drastic changes to the team besides adding a fighting move?
 
(Having never played VGC take my advice with a grain of salt)
You mentioned Groudon making your team into a sun team of sorts (which would also be good at countering the hail, rain and sand teams by removing their weather) so why not change your Sceptile into something to take advantage of the weather. Maybe a chlorophyll Exeggutor?

Uber Exeggutor
Life Orb
Modest
~ Grass Knot
~ Sleep Powder
~ Explosion
~ Hidden Power Ice

Shiftry is another viable option for that slot.
 
I noticed that your Groudon has ALL physical moves but no Atk evs. This may be a typo but if it is not I recommend taking your Spa. Atk and changing to Atk so those moves will actually do damage. I also forsee Arcanine taking more physical hits than special so maybe throw in some Def evs in there so he can live and take advantage of Groudon's sun.
 
Okay, I think i might consider Exeggutor and Shiftry. The only problem i see with shiftry is another one of my pokes that would be weak to giratina. Shiftry sounds good as well but his stats are pretty lackluster...And why wouldn't i use SolarBeam instead of grass knot? And do you know the IV's required to have hp ice?

And yes Groudon had a typo, thanx for pointing it out :heart:


And with the Arcanine, I don't know how to change his EV's without losing any sp.atk and still be effective. Some suggestions would be nice. And would you say lum over lefties?

Thanx :)
 
Your team has a lot of weaknesses.First off, even though groundon has yache berry, your team is not resistant to ice besides arcanine. Most teams have an uber and abomasnow that know blizzard. So if you have arcanine out, then a pokemon with an ice weakness is out to. That pokemon will be hit by blizzard because most teams set up hail so blizzard will be at 100% accuracy.

I put your team on marriland team buldier. I couldn't paste the results the graph.
Here's the link to the website.
http://pokemon.marriland.com/diamond_pearl/team_builder/

When you look at that I would suggest changing up your team. Arcanine is the weakest member on your team. It's biggest problem's are bulky water pokemon which is what half of the vgc teams constist of. I would suggest jolteon if you still want helping hand. It takes care of bulky water pokemon like vaporeon.

Jolteon:
Expert Belt
Timid/Modest
Moves:
Thunder
Helping hand/Light screen
Discharge
Protect

Light Screen is to fix your probelm with ev for defense. If you still want helping hand jolteon can do it.

Lugia is not good without calm mind boost when it is a sweeper. If you decide to keep your lugia set, you should probably have helping hand. If you decide light screen, you should probably give lugia calm mind. It's up to you. Also plates aren't good hold items. Leftovers would be better because of lugia's great hp base, it will heal more from leftovers.



Lastly, solarbeam is not as good as grass knot. People can change the weather. Also grass knots power depends on weight so the heavier the opponent is the harder it falls. That doesn't depend on weather.

31, 30, 30, 31, 31, 31 for Ice hidden power

From Marriland team builder. Your team had a lot of weaknesses.

"Are you trying to build a team for Pokemon Diamond and Pearl but are unsure about what your team's weaknesses are? This tool here will help you calculate your whole team's strengths and weaknesses against each type, making it easy to spot a large weakness to a certain type."
 
I don't get it, you wanna use Thunder AND Groudon? That just doesn't work since Thunder is lowered to 40% accuracy in the sun. I suggest switching Lugia's Thunder to something else.
 
I agree with Kharozz on Thunder. It just doesn't mix well with a Sunny Day team at all. Also, is there a particular reason you are carrying three pokes with Protect? I get it on Arcanine, but why not replace Protect on Groundon with Rock Polish or Swords Dance? On Lugia, I would suggest changing Thunder/Protect out for Calm Mind/Ice Beam.
 
Alright, here's what I recommend:

Arcanine is good as is

Lugia, change Sky Plate to Lum Berry and lose Thunder for Calm Mind.

Groudon is also good as is.

Exeggutor, lose Solar Beam for Grass Knot.

I'd also recommend adding:

Machamp
@Flame Orb
Adamant
Guts
252 Atk/144 HP/114 Spe or Def
-Low Kick
-Payback
-Stone Edge
-Facade/Some other Filler move

EDIT: I remembered something...Machamp doesn't learn Fake Out! *facepalm
 
gahhh i just can't seem to create a good team. I didn't know about the thunder + sunny day thing so yea.

So let's see...I really just want my team to be a goodstuffs team, so ima restart.
 
In vgc calm mind lugia is usually a supporter , staller, or wall. Meaning it can fit well on almost any any team. If you want to have a good stuff team I would suggest metagross with lugia. Earthquake won't affect it and it has a lot of moves that hit more than one pokemon besides earthquake like explosion.(Though you might want to put protect on lugia if you have that move.)
 
So let's see...I really just want my team to be a goodstuffs team, so i think i will keep CM lugia and scrap the rest of them. The only reason i chose groudon is because i realized Arcanine would benefit from sun.
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The problem with that and your current team is that Arcanine won't benefit from sun until Groudon is out, and you have Arcanine leading with Lugia. One of the most common leads pretty much counters your leads (ludicolo + Kyogre) in that Ludicolo will fake out Lugia while Kyogre water spouts and then your lugia is pretty much done if you don't switch to a bulky alternative.

I highly recommend switching your team around so that you get your weather up first instead of leaving it waiting in the wings. Groudon could potentially be used with Arcanine as a new lead, and if you give Groudon no speed EVs and iron ball then you are almost certainly going to get sun up, though Abomasnow might be slower and get in hail.

I see Lugia as more of a backup should Sun not be set up.

And everything is expected to have explosion/self destruct in VGC, so you'll only be surprising inexperienced players.

If you were willing to nix the Sunny Day theory, I could see Arcanine being replaced by a common Zapdos to be paired with Groudon... but that's up to you.
 
Have you considered Mewtwo over lugia? It's not as bulky but it is significantly faster and much stronger, it also has an awesome movepool.
 
So far, in no particular order, i have:


Machamp@Burn Orb
Ability:Guts
Nature:Adamant
144hp/252atk/114def
~Bullet Punch
~Low Kick
~Rock Slide
~Protect?

and:

Ho-Oh@Lum Berry/Leftovers/Passho Berry/Charti Berry
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Att / 252 Spd
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
-Sacred Fire
-Brave Bird
-Roost
-Earthquake


Some others i am considering but haven't got a set for are: Blissey, Smeargle, Scizor.

And also i don't know what other Uber to use. Do you think Giratina-o would fit well?

So please, once again haha, let me know your initial thoughts and let me know which of the pokemon listed above sound like they would have the most synergy.

Thanks
 
A few Pointers:

- More Fake Out

- Bring some Steel-type

- Despite what they say, unless you intend to gimmick on some Substitute-activating-berry Ho-oh, please skip it for love of the rocks.

- Is there a reason Ludia wields Earth Power, or is that just for giggles?

- Something to concern yourself with Waterspout/Surf in the rain & Selfdestruct/Explosion.
 
Adar-Dono said:
A few Pointers:

- Bring some Steel-type

- Despite what they say, unless you intend to gimmick on some Substitute-activating-berry Ho-oh, please skip it for love of the rocks.

- Is there a reason Ludia wields Earth Power, or is that just for giggles?

- Something to concern yourself with Waterspout/Surf in the rain & Selfdestruct/Explosion.
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So you would suggest scizor over blissey or smeargle?

And i thought nobody even uses entry hazards in vgc?

And Lugia is gone now soo
 
In the youtube videos of the vgc you don't see any scizor. I'm not sure, but that might be because of heat wave and that vgc is double battle. I am sure that entry hazards aren't used in vgc because the battles are so fast and there are less pokemon switching in to be hit by spikes or stealth rock. Smeargle is used on a lot of teams because of sketch. It usually has dark void and follow me. I do agree that steel types are useful, but not scizor. Some steel types in vgc are metagross, dialga, bronzong. I've seen blissey in some videos so blissey is a possibility.
 
It is really annyoing creating vgc teams over and over again. For this year I have done at least 6. But I finally got one. Anyway, You could put life orb on gengar if you don't mind the hp loss. If you do, you can give it an expert belt. Focus Sash might be useful because of the mewtwo that know psychic.
I would definitly give swampert ice punch for any dragons.
 
haha yea its pretty brutal. okay i'll ad ice punch and expert belt on gar. I don't know why i didn't think of expert belt haha.

but what would you say about the natures and ev's of my pokes?
 
I would go for a timid gengar. Even though gengar is fast, there are still many pokemon that outspeed it. I would rather get an attack in than have gengar OHKO before it could move even with more sp. attack power.
Since kyogre occurs in about half of vgc teams thunder would be preferable over tunder bolt.
Since you have two pokemon with levitate you can give ho-oh earthquake. I'm not sure if you knew this, but when ho-oh uses roost earthquake becomes supper effective on it.
 
Wildfire said:
I would go for a timid gengar. Even though gengar is fast, there are still many pokemon that outspeed it. I would rather get an attack in than have gengar OHKO before it could move even with more sp. attack power.
Since kyogre occurs in about half of vgc teams thunder would be preferable over tunder bolt.
Since you have two pokemon with levitate you can give ho-oh earthquake. I'm not sure if you knew this, but when ho-oh uses roost earthquake becomes supper effective on it.
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alright thanx. I'm going to go jolly on Ho-Oh as well. And Ho-Oh already has earthquake, i just abbreviated it. And yes I know that EQ is super effective against ho-oh when using roost.

Now it seems my only other question would be on the final slot for pert. Protect or Low Kick?


Otherwise, after i make this decisions, would you call this a good team?
 
I would go for protect on swapert. Earthquake already covers dialga while ice punch covers the dragons and groundon. The problem with swampert is that it has a problem with grass knot. Ludicolo and mewtwo have that move mostly. So swapert can protect while gengar uses shadow ball or you switch to ho-oh or giratina depending on the situation.
This team is good. It works well regardless of the weather. It might have a problem with trick room, but most teams do.
 
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