Animal Cruelty (Part 2?)

That video was terrible! If someone is going to that shit, at least put the animal out of its misery instead of torturing it before doing so. That is just... cruel.

I'm not one of those extreme animal lovers, but that is messed up.

The people who do this must be heartless or just don't give a shit about living creatures.

Why do they need to kill the animals so brutally and inhumanly? I wouldn't find it as bad if the animals were dead when skinned.

I'm interested to see what kind of person would do this for a living.
 
That shit is just fucking wrong. There no other words that I can express myself with, it's just fucking wrong.

Edit: Yeah, this video is fucked up, I honestly want this people to get the same Consequences as the killing of a Human being, this death is so cruel.
 
Justin8649 said:
WARNING: This is a very very disturbing video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6tA18bkmsg

What are your views on this? What are your views on the people doing this? And how would you compare this to other crimes? I'm just interested in your thoughts on what is going on. I don't have much to say right now.
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Fur is not an essential commodity, but let's assume that you just need to have fur. You then don't skin the thing alive! It's like performing an organ transplant...from a living person! I have no idea what kind of crime this can be besides animal cruelty, as calling it at the level of murder is false. However, I do know that this should be stopped.
 
That was disgusting. Those people are so heartless. They didn't even kill the animals before skinning them.... I can't even begin to imagine what it would be like for the animals there....
 
No animal product is an essential commodity. Any one that thinks this form of animal treatment is wrong and wears swade or leather is a sack of fuck.

Anyway, this kind of stuff goes on all over the world, heres a good example.

Harp Seal Clubbing in Canada
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2dYNLwtRkc&feature=related

Animal cruelty has not been going on as long for as long as you think on a major scale, only really since the industrial revolution. It is preventable and we can stop it. If 10% of America went vegetarian or vegan today, the industry would have make drastic changes over night and try to market to new vegetarians and vegans. If you want this to stop just stop eating meat. Its that fucking simple. American food company's will no longer demand fur products form China because they will see a change in the American public.
 
Who cares, they're animals. Cruelty is nature, deal with it. Would I do this to animals? No, I'm not a sadist, but don't get all butthurt because some fancy giant rat is getting skinned alive. What about the hundreds of insects and arachnids I'm willing to bet all of you crush every year, what about the vermin you poison? What about the millions upon millions of microbes you kill when showering? What about the millions of animals killed under the blades of combines? What about the cows, pigs, and other animals who die for your meat, leather, glue, and gelatin? Is it just the cute and harmless animals who feel pain now?

Humans can only sustain our lives through the deaths of other living organisms. All things live to die and through death they bring us life. Also, the argument about the fur industry dieing if nobody ate meat is hilarious. Nobody eats baby harp seals, they wear them. Who cares if people go vegan, it's likely that they're people who don't wear fur in the first place. Fur is expensive and hippies are poor.
 
Ambitions said:
No animal product is an essential commodity. Any one that thinks this form of animal treatment is wrong and wears swade or leather is a sack of fuck.
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Really? Last time I checked the leather people most commonly bought here is not from cows skinned alive. If the cow is dead it cannot feel any longer. So because we wear an animal product we cannot feel bad when watching an animal getting skinned alive?
 
They aren't dead they are knocked unconscious, and they method that most slaughter houses use only works 50-50 at best.

I mean its like the whole cancer AIDS thing, person A has AIDS and is going to die, 50 people care, Person B has cancer, 5000 people give a shit.

The point is boy cot suede, leather, meat , whatever you fancy and this shit will stop. My life is to short to condone making another's shorter, and if anyone feels they are that high above another species, go fucking kill your self.
 
Ambitions said:
They aren't dead they are knocked unconscious, and they method that most slaughter houses use only works 50-50 at best.

I mean its like the whole cancer AIDS thing, person A has AIDS and is going to die, 50 people care, Person B has cancer, 5000 people give a shit.

The point is boy cot suede, leather, meat , whatever you fancy and this shit will stop. My life is to short to condone making another's shorter, and if anyone feels they are that high above another species, go fucking kill your self.
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I feel that I am above certain animals... in fact I accidentally squashed an ant yesterday. Since according to you we shouldn't treat them any lesser than humans I should receive a sentence for manslaughter... do you truly think that an
ants life is = to that of a human being?

"Sorry Bobby, but you squashed an ant yesterday so we have to send you to Juvie for 6 years... bye bye now!"
 
They won't kill it first because the blood would ruin the animal's coat. The people who skin animals aren't good at anything else and it pays. Blame the fur companies.
 
If an animal is unconscious then it isnt conscious of the pain. It is no different to if it were dead.

I cant watch the video though..

Have a nice day.
 
Ambitions said:
No animal product is an essential commodity.
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In very cold conditions animal furs are far better and can be produced in largier amounts for places like russia. Nature is still out doing humans, we depend on plants for medicine mostly and some bateria is the most sucessful living thing on the plant.


Ambitions said:
If 10% of America went vegetarian or vegan today
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If everybody went vegan or vegaterian you would get a mass slaughter of cows, pigs and chickens etc. They don't raise these animals for fun you know. Just because some animals are killied badly doesn't mean it is bad in prensible to eat meat, their are free range and more ethical ways of doing it.


Ambitions said:
I mean its like the whole cancer AIDS thing, person A has AIDS and is going to die, 50 people care, Person B has cancer, 5000 people give a shit.
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yes this one is rather saddening. I think it more comes down to ingonace though. People while more people die of AID those are mostly in africa. And humans have a tendency to put it out of mind to be happier. And cancer is more likely to effect your "bliss" as it can happen to anybody.
 
I didn't watch the video, because I'm very weak-stomached, but it sounds horrible and twisted.

Kietharr said:
What about the hundreds of insects and arachnids I'm willing to bet all of you crush every year, what about the vermin you poison?
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I guess I'm an exception to the rule, because I always avoid killing bugs if I can avoid it (mosquitoes are an exception -- Minnesota: Land of 10,000 Lakes, Land of 10,000 Billion Mosquitoes), and I don't condone the use of pesticides and not just because they are bad for the environment.
 
Ambitions said:
My life is to short to condone making another's shorter, and if anyone feels they are that high above another species, go fucking kill your self.
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News flash: we ARE above all other species. Next time I read an article about the giraffes of the world uniting and inventing their own internet, I'll concede that we might not run this planet anymore.

Looking at this from a completely objective standpoint, I'd say it's a terrible thing and that those animals are certainly suffering. Subjectively, do I care? Not too much. Humans are much more cruel to each other than we are to animals. Besides, that culture is completely different from ours. I imagine this is commonplace wherever that is, and is probably relied upon by many, many people for a source of income. I don't blame that man with the knife for feeding himself and his family the only way he probably knows how.

I agree with Hip, in that if they took the steps to render the animal unconscious then they could "safely" remove the fur, and then put the animal down before it wakes up. I doubt it's financially viable for those people though, I wouldn't think they've ever even heard of chloroform.

I also think that Keitharr makes an excellent point: why do some animal rights activists put so many species on a pedestal... and ignore the rest? Is there nothing sacred about the life of a mosquito, or a poisonous spider? All life forms should be equally sacred, but anyone with a brain knows that isn't the case.

Finally, I agree with Ambitions that a lot of abuses like this could be avoided if Americans and Europeans weren't such rich greedy fucks. I personally think veganism is a terrible idea, but I see absolutely no reason to own a real fur coat outside of pure, selfish vanity.
 
I don't have much to contribute but I agree with Keitharr's sentiments 100%.

From a purely objective point of view, I see killing any living thing no more or less wrong than killing a human being, as sociopathic as it sounds. The difference is when a person dies you feel guilter or whatever and there are more severe legal implications than say doing the same to a dog or a fly.
 
They won't kill it first because the blood would ruin the animal's coat.
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Poison? Venom? Something like that would hurt less than being skinned alive, I'm sure.

And that raccoon was concious. It was moving.
 
I didn't watch it and wont but there shouldn't be a problem in killing some animals. However, I think it would be fair to at least killing it before skinning the animal, bash its head with a rock or something.. anything but skinning it alive.
 
News flash: we ARE above all other species. Next time I read an article about the giraffes of the world uniting and inventing their own internet, I'll concede that we might not run this planet anymore.
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I don't see giraffes running around skinning other species alive as a commodity, organizing a mass genocide of other animals, waging war on each other, burning or our natural resources at an alarming rate, or contributing to the fucking up of our planet. All species on earth are essential to life....except for humans, they just fuck shit up.
 
Kietharr said:
Who cares, they're animals. Cruelty is nature, deal with it. Would I do this to animals? No, I'm not a sadist, but don't get all butthurt because some fancy giant rat is getting skinned alive. What about the hundreds of insects and arachnids I'm willing to bet all of you crush every year, what about the vermin you poison? What about the millions upon millions of microbes you kill when showering? What about the millions of animals killed under the blades of combines? What about the cows, pigs, and other animals who die for your meat, leather, glue, and gelatin? Is it just the cute and harmless animals who feel pain now?

Humans can only sustain our lives through the deaths of other living organisms. All things live to die and through death they bring us life. Also, the argument about the fur industry dieing if nobody ate meat is hilarious. Nobody eats baby harp seals, they wear them. Who cares if people go vegan, it's likely that they're people who don't wear fur in the first place. Fur is expensive and hippies are poor.
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Ok, there is a difference between walking on bugs in your backyard and what that man did when he used both hands to rip the rest of that raccoons skin off. I don't know enough about vermin poision to go into that but after he skined it He didn't even put it out of its misery. Nothing should be tortured to death like that.

Kira said:
Really? Last time I checked the leather people most commonly bought here is not from cows skinned alive. If the cow is dead it cannot feel any longer. So because we wear an animal product we cannot feel bad when watching an animal getting skinned alive?
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Fine we do it too, its still horrible and we shouldn't. Just because we're doing it doesn't mean it shouldn't be stopped. Watching that raccoon move after it had been skinned made me feel awful and i can't believe some one would kill them that way.
 
Ambitions said:
I don't see giraffes running around skinning other species alive as a commodity, organizing a mass genocide of other animals, waging war on each other, burning or our natural resources at an alarming rate, or contributing to the fucking up of our planet. All species on earth are essential to life....except for humans, they just fuck shit up.
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yes, because every single human in the world is skinning animals alive and killing off countless animals, engaging in war, and using up the precious natural resources we have.
also, you dont see giraffes out there creating medicines to save lives, placing animals on the endangered list, creating alternate fuel sources, or contributing to the un-fucking up of our planet.all species on earth are essential to life... yeah, all of them.
 
Humans are trying to correct problems they have made though, that doesn't make us any less shitty of a race. And if you live in America, yes you are engaged in war because you pay taxes. If you eat meat or drive often, your guilty of rapidly depleting our natural resources. And how is placing animals on the endangered species list a good thing, its our fault they are endangered, and those lists are hardly enforced.

Me! said:
Harp Seal Clubbing in Canada
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2dYN...eature=related
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Ambitions said:
I don't see giraffes running around skinning other species alive as a commodity, organizing a mass genocide of other animals, waging war on each other, burning or our natural resources at an alarming rate, or contributing to the fucking up of our planet. All species on earth are essential to life....except for humans, they just fuck shit up.
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Yeah, they don't do that stuff because their brains are about as evolved as a peanut. They don't have the capacity. The fact that we're talking about giraffes in this light automatically makes us superior.
 
Ambitions said:
No animal product is an essential commodity. Any one that thinks this form of animal treatment is wrong and wears swade or leather is a sack of fuck.

Anyway, this kind of stuff goes on all over the world, heres a good example.

Harp Seal Clubbing in Canada
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2dYNLwtRkc&feature=related

Animal cruelty has not been going on as long for as long as you think on a major scale, only really since the industrial revolution. It is preventable and we can stop it. If 10% of America went vegetarian or vegan today, the industry would have make drastic changes over night and try to market to new vegetarians and vegans. If you want this to stop just stop eating meat. Its that fucking simple. American food company's will no longer demand fur products form China because they will see a change in the American public.
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What would realistically happen in such an instance (assuming that consuming meat has any measurable correlation with buying fur to begin with) is that fur companies would simply jack up the price and add "luxury" to any marketing campaign they haven't already. When you're rich, the more you spend on clothes the trendier and more stylish you appear to be.

My family has never bought a fur anything bar our shelter dog, who is quite comfortable wearing it still. We probably do have a few leather products laying around though. Leather is a component in a lot of things. In fact, I'm certain my wallet and belt are made of leather

As to humans being a shitty species, we're the only ones even capable of caring about other species on a macro level. There may be some humans who believe chickens should be able to roam free, but I guarentee you 100% of coyotes and wolves see 100% of chickens as dinner.

Oh, and the creepy skinner guy should have just used a gun. If you're really after the fur, its easier to get more of it in good shape if the animal is dead first. You'd have to be an idiot to risk rabies or infection or all sorts of other things trying to skin a live wild animal.
 
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