Another bulky offensive team...

[HellsHunter]

Intro:

Welcome to my second RMT. =] As the title says, this is a bulky offensive team, like most teams nowadays. I made this team because I wanted to test out Stallbreaker Gliscor. While I was building this team, I added SubBounce Gyarados and Choice Specs Lucario. They're both great, except Bounce's low 85% accuracy.

I'm posting this team for the following reasons:

I like this team, so I want it to become better
I've some issues with Gengar

Team at a glance:

Changes are bold.

Gliscor (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 204 HP/88 Atk/216 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Roost
- Taunt

Lead Gliscor, as you can see. Stealth Rock is self-explanatory, and the others are just standard moves for Stallbreaker Gliscor. This thing stops annoyances like Toxic Spikes Roserade (This team really dislikes Toxic Spikes), DDGyara, Spikers and grounded stall Pokémon such as Hippowdon.

Those Attack EVs nets me an almost guaranteed 2HKO on Metagross (49.5 minimum damage) and give Gliscor a little bit more power. I don't feel like I need more bulk.

Gyarados (M) @ Liechi Berry / Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Bounce
- Waterfall
- Substitute

This thing would be even more dangerous if Bounce had just 15% better accuracy. Bounce helps Gyara getting through a lot of its usual counters, like Vaporeon and Starmie. Liechi Berry gives me a little more oomph, and it really helps against a weakened Rotom or Suicune.

I usually use its 383 Attack Stab Waterfall in the early-game to damage it's counters not named vaporeon. If its counters are in the KO range of a +1 attack (or +2, if necessary), it's time to sweep. =D He softens my opponent's defenses, and thus making life easier for my Tyranitar and Lucario.

Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 188 HP/252 Def/68 Spd
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Wish
- Protect
- Ice Beam
- Surf

Wish is invaluable for this team. It makes my choiced sweepers -Tyranitar and Lucario- lives a lot longer, and helps with this team's surviability. Ice Beam helps with Dragons, since Celebi can counter Gyarados easily and Ice Beam has better overall coverage. I never felt like I needed Hidden Power [Electric].

Tyranitar (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP, 40 Attack, 216 Special Defense
Careful nature (+SpD, -SAtk)
- Pursuit
- Earthquake
- Crunch
- Stone Edge

This thing is a beast. In the early game he serves as a trapper for the likes of Rotom and Latias, while Vaporeon keeps him healthy. During mid-game, he's my main way of directly damaging the opponent. And in the late stages of the battle, he just picks off the specially defensive Pokémon.

Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 232 HP/36 Spd/240 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Thunder Wave
- Recover
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Leaf Storm

Defensive Celebi used to be in this slot, but I really needed something to counter Bulky waters like Vaporeon and Suicune. So I changed Celebi's moveset a little, by replacing Grass Knot for Leaf Storm and made its EV spread a lot more offensive. Usually is Life Orb the preffered item for Tinkerbell, but with it, he just dies too quickly. I don't want such a thing, because Celebi gives very, very important paralysis support to this relatively slow team.

When I changed Celebi's EV spread from 252 HP, 220 Def, 36 Speed to this one, I thought Celebi wouldn't keep enough of its bulk. Fortunalty, that wasn't the case, so its role on this team didn't really change.

Lucario (M) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Aura Sphere
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Shadow Ball
- Vacuum Wave

I don't understand why this set isn't used more. Aura Sphere OHKO's Skarmory without Special Defense EVs, leaves a very big dent in Hippowdon and even deals up to 45% to Gliscor. Hidden Power [Rock] covers Salamence and Gyarados in one move, and deals very hefty damage. It OHKO's the former with Stealth rock, and deals up to 70% to the latter. Shadow Ball is a nice surprise for Rotom-A and Celebi, and it hits them HARD. Vacuum Wave is my main method of revenge killing, ranging from other Lucario to a severly weakened Salamence.

Marriland's team builder:

I'm pretty short on Rock resists, but the only scary user of Rock attacks is Tyranitar, which is easily countered by Gliscor, Lucario or even Vaporeon.

Threat List:

Black is no problem
Orange is a problem, but I can play around it
Red is a major problem

Defensive Threats:

Blissey - Gliscor beats if she lacks Ice Beam, and usually forces her to switch out. Gyarados sets up without care, or attacks straight away with Waterfall. Tyranitar rapes it, Lucario can (with some luck) 2HKO with the aid of Stealth Rock.

Bronzong - The whole team handels him.

Celebi - Gliscor stops its attempts to use Leech Seed and such, Gyarados happily Bounces and Lucario 2HKO's with Shadow Ball. Tyranitar can serve as a counter in emergensies.

Cresselia - Tyranitar and Lucario can both hit him hard with their super-effective attacks. Gliscor stops him from using Thunder Wave and such.

Forretress - Gliscor beats it one-on-one, Vaporeon wears it down with Surf and Celebi OHKO's with HP [Fire]. Lucario deals hefty damage with Specs Aura Sphere.

Gliscor - Gyarados uses it's Waterfall, which already 2HKO's without a Dragon Dance. Vaporeon OHKO's with Ice Beam, or 2HKO's with Surf. Celebi severly damages it with Leaf Storm, especially when he's roosting.

Gyarados - Defensive Gyarados. I usually bring him down to ~65%, or Taunt him while he's sleeping with Gliscor. Celebi or Lucario will finish him off.

Hippowdon - Gliscor usually forces him out after using Taunt. Vaporeon 2HKO's with Surf, Celebi OHKO's with Leaf Storm. Lucario deals ~65% with Aura Sphere.

Jirachi - Celebi likes to paralyze, if it doesn't get flinched to death. Gliscor 2HKO's with Earhtquake, Vaporeon can wear it down if it's not a SubCMer. Lucario deals a fair amount of damage with Aura Sphere.

Rotom-A - Gliscor taunts it, so Tyranitar can safely pursuit it. Celebi does a lot of damage with Leaf Storm, same counts for Lucario.

Skarmory - Gliscor's Taunt prevents it from spiking, Lucario can OHKO a Skarmory without Special Defense EVs. Vaporeon and Celebi beat a taunted Skarmory.

Snorlax - Gliscor stops him from Cursing. Gyarados kills it when it doesn't have Curses. Lucario deals ~70% with Aura Sphere.

Suicune - Not much of a problem with Leaf Storm Celebi. If I get in before he has too much Calm Minds, I can beat it.

Swampert - Celebi owns it. Lucario beats a weakened one, if necessary.

Tyranitar - Defensive Tyranitar? That must be CurseTar. Gliscor beats Cursetar very easy, and Lucario a taunted one even easier.

Vaporeon - Celebi is a great counter since I changed Grass Knot to Leaf Storm. He's usually my best answer, though Lucario can beat it too.

Zapdos - Tyranitar beats it handily, and Celebi likes to paralyze.


Offensive Threats:

Azelf - If it's a lead, I'll switch to Tyranitar. If he sets up SR, I'll tank the Explosion and heal him with Vaporeon. If he uses Taunt, he's done for.

Breloom - Gliscor Taunts him if he didn't Spore yet. Otherwise I'll let Gliscor sleep, and beat it with Celebi.

Gengar - Here things get worse. If he is paralysed (so he has to switch in on Celebi) he's very easy to handle. Otherwise, I'm pretty much screwed. Vaporeon survives a Thunderbolt and hits it with Surf. Lucario prays for a Focus Blast miss. Tyranitar survives a Life Orb Focus Blast with full HP, but those situations are uncommon.

Gyarados - Celebi paralyses it, leaving him wide open for Tyranitar, Lucario and even Celebi itself.

Heatran - Gliscor beats non-scarf variants, and Sub/Torment tran. Vaporeon is my answer to scarfers, and Gyarados will do if I don't want Vaporeon damaged too much.

Infernape - Gyarados and Vaporeon beat him. Lucario revenges -1 SpDef Infernape with Vacuum Wave and a healthy Gliscor beats Infernape without HP [Ice].

Jolteon - Gliscor beats him if he doesn't have HP [Ice] (he usually doesn't), Tyranitar walls him regardless of what he uses.

Latias - Celebi likes to paralyse, again. Tyranitar traps with Pursuit, Lucario can survive a Life Orb Surf with ~25% to spare.

Kingdra - He's annoying behind a Sub, but otherwise not much of a threat. Gliscor prevents it from setting up, if he switches in. Celebi paralyses non-sub Kingdras, Lucario beats it without a Dragon Dance or revenges a weakened one with Vacuum Wave.

Lucario - Gliscor. Lucario revenges with Vacuum Wave if necessary.

Machamp - You're never safe against Machamp. Gliscor can usually manage him. Lucario kills him if he's not behind a sub.

Magnezone - Meh, no threat. Lucario survives anything from ScarfZone, and kills with Aura Sphere. Lucario is dead when I'm locked into Shadow Ball or Hidden Power. Tyranitar owns it with Earthquake, if he doesn't use Magnet Rise.

Mamoswine - Vaporeon beats it at full HP. Lucario can revenge with Vacuum Wave.

Metagross - Gliscor owns it with Earthquake, and Celebi paralyses an AgiliGross, if its health is high enough. Lucario revenges a weakened one. If the counters for Agiligross are severly weakened, I'm screwed. That's the sole reason why this one is orange.

Salamence - If I can paralyze him with Celebi, or Taunt him with Gliscor, it's OK. But, if he manages to get a DD, I've got to play around it. Gyarados will Intimidate him, at the cost of his life. Then Lucario or Vaporeon will be able to kill him. Celebi paralyses if Vaporeon and Lucario aren't that healthy.

Scizor - Easy. Gliscor, Vaporeon, Celebi and Lucario beat it. Gyarados worka fine too.

Starmie - Celebi survives an Ice Beam at full health, and KO's with Leaf Storm. Tyranitar beats it with his Special bulk.

Tyranitar - Gliscor is a good CB and DDtar counter. Boah can be handled by every member, depending on the moves.

Zapdos - Tyranitar wins easily.

 

[The SPrinkLer]

If a Latias predicts correctly, it can really fuck up your team. Also, Vaporeon isn't the best answer for Salamence, taking a hefty amount of damage from Outrage. I'd try a Scizor over Vaporeon, but not the CB set. A SD Scizor compliments the rest of your Pokemon so well, and beats Latias, that I'd try it out. Scizor also hurts bulky waters, which your team is kinda weak to without Celebi. Here's the set:

Scizor @ Iron Plate/ Life Orb
Adamant Nature
248 HP/252 Att/ 8 Spd
-Swords Dance
-Bullet Punch
-Roost
-Superpower/Bug Bite

Life Orb for the extra oomph all-around. Iron Plate if you hate recoil. Hell, Leftovers for added survivability. This set kicks ass. Another benefit to this set is Tyranitar beats Scizor's counters like Rotom-A and Zapdos, another reason to use this set. Good luck with the team!

 

[Delko]

Hello

I suggest Life Orb on Celebi instead of Leftovers. You already have Recover to make sure he don't dies to quickly.

Gyardos isn't going to beat Vaporeon with that moveset so if you have problems with Vaporeon if Celebi is out you could replace Substitute with Taunt.

You could also give Gliscor Toxic over Taunt if you give Gyarados Taunt.

Hope I helped!

 

[apologies]

If you're having trouble with Gengar, I'd change Tyranitar's EV spread to 216 SpD, 252 HP, and 40 Atk. With this you'll always survive Gengars Focus Blast, unless it's specs or something. This will also make Latias easier to handle.

Also, it says you have 3 ice weaknesses, and 2 rock weaknesses, which isn't true. You only have 2 ice weaknesses and 1 rock weakness.

EDIT: I don't see how taunt lets gyarados beat vaporeon. For example, say you sub as they switch to vaporeon. Then you taunt, as they break your sub with HP Electric. Now you bounce, and an unboosted bounce won't KO. They then kill you with HP Electric. If you DD you're in a similar predicament. If you taunt, they HP Electric you. This is assuming the vaporeon carries HP Electric, but most do.

 

[HellsHunter]

@Sprinkels: As I said in de RMT, Wish is invaluable for this team. It makes Tyranitar a lot more threatening, and raises my team's surviability.

@BlackScizor: I can't afford Celebi to lose 16% HP each turn. That would severely lower its bulk, and as I said in my RMT, I don't want my Celebi to die fast.

Oh, about Vaporeon. Gyarados won't beat Vaporeon unless he has +3 or so, Vaporeon is checked by Celebi.

@iBleedPink: I'll give that set a try. =] I don't really think it will help with my Gengar weakness, but it will make my T-Tar at least a lot less vulnerable to Latias and such.

Thanks for rating. =]

Edit: You're right about the weaknesses table. That one doesn't have Vaporeon in the team, but a different Wisher. I'll change it soon.

 

[Lucalibur]

@Sprinkels: As I said in de RMT, Wish is invaluable for this team. It makes Tyranitar a lot more threatening, and raises my team's surviability.

@BlackScizor: I can't afford Celebi to lose 16% HP each turn. That would severely lower its bulk, and as I said in my RMT, I don't want my Celebi to die fast.

Oh, about Vaporeon. Gyarados won't beat Vaporeon unless he has +3 or so, Vaporeon is checked by Celebi.

@iBleedPink: I'll give that set a try. =] I don't really think it will help with my Gengar weakness, but it will make my T-Tar at least a lot less vulnerable to Latias and such.

Thanks for rating. =]

Edit: You're right about the weaknesses table. That one doesn't have Vaporeon in the team, but a different Wisher. I'll change it soon.

if the t-tar run that set of evs with careful nature,gengar focus blast wont ohko(in sandstorm,and no specs) so you can count on that monster

 

[porygon-d]

So this is my first rate in a while so I'm gonna try to keep this simple and not overcomplicate things by making major changes.

You said that Tyranitar is the only person that really uses rock attacks while I disagree. Tyranitar may be one of the only ones with a STABed stone edge, many other pokemon use it, Gyarados and flygon just to name two. You also have rather a lack of dragon resists. This is probably why you are having trouble with Kingdra and Salamence.

I think that it is highly valuable to have something tor esist thse two types so I am going to suggest a Heatran. It resists Dragon and is neutral to rock however it can hit both for super effective damage. I would suggest using it as a revenge killer with this set:

Heatran - Naive @Choice Scarf
252SpAtk/252Speed/4Hp
- Fire Blast
- Earth power
- Dragon Pulse
- Hidden Power Electric/Grass/Ice

This allows you to revenge kill a lot of the metagame and also switch in on a predicted fire attack and kill off the opposing pokemon. Choose whatever hidden power. Electric scores a surprise KO on Gyarados, Hidden power grass hits any bulky waters andHidden power ice hits salamence even harder then dragon pulse. I would go for Electric but its your choice.

This then gives you the great combo with Celebi which means that any counter brought into Heatran after it has revenge killed is usually taken care of by celebi.

Heatran also attracts water attacks along with tyranitar and Gliscor which will allow you to heal up Vaporeon if predicted right.

I tried to keep it simple even if I was changing a whole pokemon and Heatran is fairly bulky so it goes with the rest of your team.

Also making changing Gyarados for Heatran allows Lucario to be changed to a mixed or SD one which is better. Although it has higher special attack, it is hard to refuse a STABed 120 power Close combat further boosted by SD. This is a good late game sweeper which you seem to be lacking of at the moment.

 

[HellsHunter]

@Crimson Leon: Yes, Focus Blast won't OHKO T-Tar, but he needs 100% HP to guarantee that. Those situations are really uncommon without a spinner.

@Porygon-D: If I'd change Gyarados, I'm losing a important psychical sweeper. Gyarados's role on this team is to soften up my opponent's defenses, and I don't think Heatran will do that as good as Gyarados.

I mentioned Tyranitar as the only scary user of Rock attacks. Those of Flygon and Gyarados aren't scary at all, and easily sponged.

Thanks for the rates =]

Changes so far:

I changed Tyranitar's EV spread to 252 HP, 40 Attack, 216 Special Defense with a Careful nature. I really helps me when trapping Latias and such, and it gives him a lot more survivability. I also changed the moveset a little, Aqua Tail is now replaced with Earthquake. Aqua Tail is an awesome move with max Attack, as it can 2HKO Hippowdon, but Earthquake is far better with this spread.