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Arceus
- Thread starter obi
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By this logic, Jibaku is a coward and will lose to everyone, as evident by this:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23153
Hacked events are legit as long as the pokemon that is caught is legit.
And by "banned," you mean "restricted to Ubers." Which is exactly where Arceus resides.
lol I find it funny that nearly every post is here saying that semi-legit pokemon count as hacked but in the last thread we had discussing it the majority was all for it. I think it has to do with the fact that Obi, a player who we all look up to and respect, has stated his opinion so everyone seems to be going along with it or has chosen to stay silent this time. People are such sheep.
Since the game sees an event-triggered Darkrai/Arceus as legit, so do I, there is nothing wrong with anything on it, no illegal IV's, hex code is still normal, etc, and people still have to put in the hard work SR'ing to get a good one.
The pokemon was not hacked. An event was hacked to allow you to get to a pokemon that is obtainable anyway (or will be in the case of Arceus). What if I hacked myself the TM for surf because I couldn't be bothered finding it or trading for it and all I wanted to do was go catch a Tentacruel? Would that count as hacked? Nope. And it is the exact same process. Of course I will feel better about Arceus once it actually comes out through Nintendo, but there will be no difference between one event triggered and one legal event Arceus/Darkrai.
Since the game sees an event-triggered Darkrai/Arceus as legit, so do I, there is nothing wrong with anything on it, no illegal IV's, hex code is still normal, etc, and people still have to put in the hard work SR'ing to get a good one.
The pokemon was not hacked. An event was hacked to allow you to get to a pokemon that is obtainable anyway (or will be in the case of Arceus). What if I hacked myself the TM for surf because I couldn't be bothered finding it or trading for it and all I wanted to do was go catch a Tentacruel? Would that count as hacked? Nope. And it is the exact same process. Of course I will feel better about Arceus once it actually comes out through Nintendo, but there will be no difference between one event triggered and one legal event Arceus/Darkrai.
Read that and please tell me it makes sense.
I'm on Obi's side on this argument simply because there isn't a way to get the pokemon "legally" in the game. Unless it's revealed in one of Nintendo's events or give-aways, I'd vouche for it to be banned. Just like Dragontamer said, it appears to have been removed from the game or just not intended to be released yet.
Personally, I use an AR to find things like Arceus for my own benefits, but that's also the reason (along with others) why I don't bother playing wifi.
The D/P metagame doesn't need to wait for nintendo to release a stupid item when it doesn't have to. I don't think it's wrong to hack the item to get the poke legitimately. Hacking the item does not make the poke illegitimate, it's still 100% normal, wouldn't make a difference if the item was obtained through an event or hacked.
I agree, if you don't people to use Arceus on Wifi, fine, but there's nothing wrong with using Arceus on Shoddy.
You posted this inside of my quote. I could call you a hypocrite or I could take the logical route and say that I don't think anyone's going to think you said something quite obviously different than something you said, especially after I added in the word "fix'd".Obi said:
The difference is that the Arcues you're hacking an event to get to exists in your game. Mewtwo with Nasty Plot doesn't exist in your game. If you run the Arceus someone hacks an event to get through a hack checker, guess what's going to happen? It's going to say it's legitimate. Guess what happens when you do that with the Mewtwo? It won't be. That's sort of the difference between fake and real.Obi said:
On that same token, banning things from a tier where no one cares about its balance also seems a bit nonsensical.
The difference is that both of them will be disallowed anyway because anyone hack checking for a tournament is going to know that the only way to get Arceus is through hacking whether or not it tests out?
I thought we were discussing online battles over wifi, not tournaments.
By that logic, who's to say there aren't tournaments that allow Pokemon the be caught through hacked event tickets? The answer to that question is no one, because we're not talking about that.
The issue here is legality of a Pokemon, not banning.
You think that you guys can take it to PMs, or if you really want to make it a public discussion, make a thread elsewhere? This really has no relevance to the current topic.
The problem is that everyone here somehow assumes that the event will come. I for one believe that while it is possible for Nintendo to release the Event, Nintendo really is going to open up a Pandora's Box here, and there is reason to not release Arceus.
Base 120 stats across the board is going to make Arceus the first pokemon to ever have a higher base stat total than Mewtwo. For all we know, Nintendo won't release him.
I want to reiterate that even IF Arceus is released as an event Pokemon by Nintendo in the future, there are no guarantees that we would be able to catch it in the game ourselves. Are people still going to consider current Arceuses legit if Arceus is released only as a downloadable Pokemon? Perhaps more importantly, will Nintendo?
Was the Faraway Island ticket ever given away (in Japan)? I know for a fact Mew was download only in the U.S.
Personally, I don't care if poeple hack their games. I care when they actually use those Hacked Mons.
Why do people use Arceus?
Because its fucking awesome. Thats all the reason a lot of people need to use specific pokes.
Because its fucking awesome. Thats all the reason a lot of people need to use specific pokes.
And who uses Arceus? Noobs..
They should make a new Tier for Arceus
Meh, he has 16 or so forms. At least one of those forms completely dickrapes every pokemon in the game.
I demand a god tier!
No, I'm not arguing along those lines. I'm saying since it's technically a thread where no one's supposed to give a damn-- why should I give a damn?
