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Kingdra in rain is pretty much Palkia on steroids rofl. Kingdra outspeeds a shit ton of stuff, and is very hard to wall due to Rain-boosted Hydro Pumps and Draco Meteor, plus it can it Physically with Waterfall or Outrage. I'd use ChestoRest Kyogre to preserve it's survivability on the field and to be able to call rain at any time. I picked ChestoRest and not the mono-attacker because of coverage, but the mono-attacker should work as well. Just stay wary for Ferrothorn!
Kyogre @ Chesto Berry
Bold Nature
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Speed
• Rest
• Calm Mind
• Scald / Surf
• Ice Beam / Thunder
Kingdra @ Life Orb
Mild / Rash Nature
4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
• Hydro Pump
• Draco Meteor
• Outrage
• Waterfall
On Kyogre, just pick the moves depending on your team's needs.
GL
Kyogre @ Chesto Berry
Bold Nature
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Speed
• Rest
• Calm Mind
• Scald / Surf
• Ice Beam / Thunder
Kingdra @ Life Orb
Mild / Rash Nature
4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
• Hydro Pump
• Draco Meteor
• Outrage
• Waterfall
GL
Kingdra in rain is pretty much Palkia on steroids rofl. Kingdra outspeeds a shit ton of stuff, and is very hard to wall due to Rain-boosted Hydro Pumps and Draco Meteor, plus it can it Physically with Waterfall or Outrage. I'd use ChestoRest Kyogre to preserve it's survivability on the field and to be able to call rain at any time. I picked ChestoRest and not the mono-attacker because of coverage, but the mono-attacker should work as well. Just stay wary for Ferrothorn!
On Kyogre, just pick the moves depending on your team's needs.
Kyogre @ Chesto Berry
Bold Nature
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Speed
• Rest
• Calm Mind
• Scald / Surf
• Ice Beam / Thunder
Kingdra @ Life Orb
Mild / Rash Nature
4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
• Hydro Pump
• DrWaterfall
GL
Yeah, Kingdra is rain is just as good as he said it was. But just watch out for stuff like Rayquaza since it will destroy Kingdra thanks to Air Lock. Also if you want to lure and kill Ferrothorn, nothing does it better than this baby
Kyogre @ Choice Specs
Modest Nature
252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Speed
• Water Spout
• Surf
• Thunder
• Ice Beam
Really bulky and Surf will 2HKO Ferrothorn most of the time with a layer of Spikes. Also Palkia > Kingdra anyday, thanks to Fire Blast !
While Kingdra isn't bad with Kyogre, I find Choice Scarf Palkia (any set really, rain boosted Surf wrecks shit, and Hydro Pump wrecks even more) to be more effective. While Kingdra is faster thanks to Swift Swim, its measly (by Ubers standards) 95 base Sp. Atk is pretty much the reason I don't use it.
Sure, Kingdra doesn't have the oomph of 150 base SpA like Palkia and other Ubers do nor the movepool (Fire Blast, Thunder...), but it is just as viable if one can play to its strengths. It has the speed to easily bypass Terrakion, one of the fastest Scarfers in the tier, with a neutral nature. It also isn't hindered by a Scarf in the Rain and Groudon doesn't like switching into Hydro Pumps or Draco Meteors, Sun or not. Rayquaza presents problems but it can't just simply switch in due to fear of getting slammed by Draco Meteor. Get a layer of SR and Spikes up (easy with Ferrothorn) and go to town.
Choice Specs Kyogre doesn't have the survivability as ChestoRest but it'll lure in and easily drown shit like Ferrothorn or Chansey with Water Spout, 2HKOing both easily.
Choice Specs Kyogre doesn't have the survivability as ChestoRest but it'll lure in and easily drown shit like Ferrothorn or Chansey with Water Spout, 2HKOing both easily.
Yeah, Kingdra is rain is just as good as he said it was. But just watch out for stuff like Rayquaza since it will destroy Kingdra thanks to Air Lock. Also if you want to lure and kill Ferrothorn, nothing does it better than this baby
Kyogre @ Chesto Berry
Bold Nature
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Speed
• Rest
• Calm Mind
• Scald / Surf
• Ice Beam / Thunder
Doesn't Power Whip 2HKOs? Not to mention Leech Seed. That's more like a blob lure
Yeah, Kingdra is rain is just as good as he said it was. But just watch out for stuff like Rayquaza since it will destroy Kingdra thanks to Air Lock. Also if you want to lure and kill Ferrothorn, nothing does it better than this baby
Kyogre @ Chesto Berry
Bold Nature
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Speed
• Rest
• Calm Mind
• Scald / Surf
• Ice Beam / Thunder
Yeah, I really can't see how this is beating Ferrothorn unless you get a Scald burn. Power Whip 2HKOs you after Stealth Rock damage. Unless you burn Ferrothorn with Scald, you're losing pretty badly.
That was a typo, a FUCKING typo. If you see that ChestoResto set, it is exactly the same as the one Furai posted. I meant to post fucking SpecsOgre but I messed up while C/P'ing FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU
EDIT: Oh i just realised i c/p'ed the specs ogre INSIDE the hide tags and in the quote and put Furai's set outside in my post.......(facepalm)
Ferro switches in as you CM. You Hydro Pump, Ferro Leech Seeds you. Ferro protects and stalls you out. Hydro Pump does more than Ice Beam btw
Or, if you really want to kill Ferrothorn with Kyogre:
YOU DON'T, GET OVER YOURSELF. You're never going to OHKO it, and Go10, 90% of Ferro's I see have Toxic/Leech Seed/ Protect/ hazard or something like that. I don't know what you're taking about. Ferro will be able to stall a Kyogre out. Just run something else for it.
YOU DON'T, GET OVER YOURSELF. You're never going to OHKO it, and Go10, 90% of Ferro's I see have Toxic/Leech Seed/ Protect/ hazard or something like that. I don't know what you're taking about. Ferro will be able to stall a Kyogre out. Just run something else for it.
Ferro've never toxic, never (and dont talk about Arceus please, he'll never stay if he cant kill you right now). Maybe you're against some bad player. TW is a staple for not letting Mewtwo/Rayquaza/Terrakion/Arceus and some mons like that to setup quickly. Hazards obviously (SR or Spikes), Leech Seed, and an offensive move on the last slot (Power Whip in most case). Protect isnt really useful right now, you waste a slot. However, its a staple on the DW where he need to recover his health since he doesnt have Leftovers (yeah chandelure).
That is actually untrue. Toxic is an incrediblely useful move to have on Ferrothorn. Its been around for sometime and Trickroom, me, shrang have all used it. Sure, you have to give up on Protect, but the ability to screw up Grass Arceus( who WILL ALWAYS stay in on Ferrothorn since its just set up bait for him) can be invaluable on a Rain and Toxic is just a useful move overall. TBH, I've barely ever seen Thunder Wave Ferrothorn used in Ubers.
Toxic's really just for GrassCeus who can be checked by your own Arceus (who win the mind war thanks to TW), this isnt even an option IMO. TW let you paralyse some serious threat which can be instant win in most case. Also, its not like GrassCeus like being para; when you add the spikes, SR, and in most defensive rain, Dialga+Lugia, this isnt a problem at all. In the offensive rain, its far better to use TW since you have a ton of mons who can kill him, the main threat with Arceus's his speed, being para' can be a checkmate.
ScarfChomp is an actual threat in this tier. While yes, ExtremeKiller Arceus is better, Chomp is a great revenge killer in this tier, plus he has Outrage, which destroys a good amount of the tier outright.
He's decent, but not as good as you're saying. If I want a physical Scarf, i'd rather go for Zekrom who can RK some Arceus Minder.