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Balanced Hackmons Viability Rankings

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Problem with Aboma as a Fridge user is it faces stiff competition from Kyurem-B/W, who have better overall offenses (the ~10 point drop on one side is totally worth the ~40 increase on the other), has slightly better bulk (higher HP makes up for the loss 10 point loss on one of the defenses), more speed, and fewer weaknesses (Kyu's 5 vs Aboma's 7, which includes Aerilate). Aboma wins in having one more resistance and lack of a Fairy weakness, but it still has that awful 4x Fire weakness, and the ability to become Trick immune. But, IMO, that doesn't make up for it doing everything else pretty much worse in terms of Fridging. And Aboma being able to bypass Kyogre isn't that special since Kyu-B routinely does it with Bolt Strike as is.

Aboma's only real niche in the current meta would probably be Trick Room. But however, due to all the rampant priority abuse, speed control strategies like Trick Room are very weak right now since -ates don't give a crap when they're Extreme Speeding all over your team.
 
*AANNNDDD Rumors took care of everything while my computer lagged yay me!*

An underrated set to be sure. Before the server went down i got my pants surprised off when a MegaSnow did some work on my team. I'll bring it up.

Neverman said:
I think Steelceus should be included too since it has the best defensive type of the game, and resists all -ates (while Rock resists only Aerilate). Oh, and it is the fastest Steel mon if that serves as a niche, like for an example Steelceus can Parting Shot on Aerilate M-Ray before being hit by some coverage (like Close Combat, Magma Storm, Thousand Arrows or V-Create), and he doesn't need Prankster to do it. The fact that he is also immune to trick and skill swap in a plus over any other Prankster Steel (of course Prankster still has advantage against faster things like Mega Mewtwos, like Destiny Bond in a desperate situation against a +2/+2 atk/spatk + speed Sweeper).

And i think Abomasnow-Mega should be listed as D or even C rank due to:

-STABed Refrigerate;
-Better offensive base stats than Xerneas (it's just 1 point better lol, but it is still better);
-Better base defenses but less HP than the Deer Uber, overall their bulkies are similar;
-Speed is crap, but with ExtremeSpeed + FakeOut you're not gonna need it, and Boomburst is to wallbreak, so generally you won't be facing something capable of doing a lot of damage when you use Boomburst;
-STABed Grass Knot or Wood Hammer to get past Primal-Ogre (and even M-Slowbro, but i guess you would need Seed Flare in this case);
-Grass type gives you a resist to switch in Thousand Arrows, which is a common coverage in this meta;
-Immunity to Spore without needing a Safety Googles;
-Possibility to hold Icicle Plate or Life Orb to boost damage, or to hold its megastone if you don't wanna get Tricked;

Well, i made my points, now is up to you guys to decide.
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Turns out MegaSnow is pretty well outclassed by KyuB. only 7% less special attack with better bulk and typing, and bolt strike takes care of ogre and mBro.
 
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I think Registeel should be promoted to A because it Tanks the "-Ate" abilities well, and u can also stall with it and u can also baton pass cosmic powers wich is also cool, and, you can also use it to set hazzards and more functions xD I can provide evidence later
 
Eevee General said:
We're sorting it out soon.
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Okay, thanks.

By the way, Hoopa-Unbound needs to move from Unlisted to C Rank. Its ability to use Hyperspace Fury as an anti-Imposter measure is unique, it isn't weak to much, and it has really good attacking stats on both sides. However, it's extremely frail and its dual STABs are walled by any Dark-type.
 
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By the way, Hoopa-Unbound needs to move from Unlisted to C Rank. Its ability to use Hyperspace Fury as an anti-Imposter measure is unique, it isn't weak to much, and it has really good attacking stats on both sides. However, it's extremely frail and its dual STABs are walled by any Dark-type.
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Since I haven't been on Serebii/any pokemon news site, I'm taking this to mean that no pokemon apart from itself can use Hysperspace Fury? Because I though that imposter mons could use it, but as Uselesscrab is a whole load more experienced than me, i'm taking that it doesn't work when used by anything apart from it's Unbound form. If other thing's could, I would see it as a D Rank mon, but if others couldn't use that move (including imposters), then it is a pretty clear C rank mon.
 
Xmas121 said:
Since I haven't been on Serebii/any pokemon news site, I'm taking this to mean that no pokemon apart from itself can use Hysperspace Fury? Because I though that imposter mons could use it, but as Uselesscrab is a whole load more experienced than me, i'm taking that it doesn't work when used by anything apart from it's Unbound form. If other thing's could, I would see it as a D Rank mon, but if others couldn't use that move (including imposters), then it is a pretty clear C rank mon.
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Yeah, Hyperspace Fury is hardcoded to work only for Hoopa-Unbound. On PS!, this means that Imposter Chansey cannot use it, though I'm not sure if transformed Pokemon are able to use it in-game. One of the researchers should test with Ditto.
 
Only theorymoning here:

Hoopa-Unbound with Mold Breaker (for Sturdinja) or Adaptability (or Simple) for more power.
-Stored Power
-Hyperspace Fury
-Shell Smash
-King's Shield

This of course if hacked in-game mechanics do not allow any Imposter to replicate Hyperspace Fury.
 
[Yeah, Hyperspace Fury is hardcoded to work only for Hoopa-Unbound. On PS!, this means that Imposter Chansey cannot use it, though I'm not sure if transformed Pokemon are able to use it in-game. One of the researchers should test with Ditto./QUOTE]

This will improve it's usage drastically. BTW, another hit for Imposter Chansey!

Only theorymoning here:

Hoopa-Unbound with Mold Breaker (for Sturdinja) or Adaptability (or Simple) for more power.
-Stored Power
-Hyperspace Fury
-Shell Smash
-King's Shield

This of course if hacked in-game mechanics do not allow any Imposter to replicate Hyperspace Fury.
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Just saying, but everyone seems to be forgetting that Hoopa-Unbound has higher SpAtk than Atk. Although I love this set for the fact that it's more imposter proof than Mega Gengar (opponent can run spooky plate). Sets like this could be very interesting in the future with all the hype over sturdinja laying off a bit. I'd watch out for either sturdinjas when not using mold breaker or thing's like registeel with prankster support.

Can we actually use it yet (Hoopa-Unbound I mean)?

Also hype over first pokemon banned from Ubers! all hail mega-rayquaza god
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Neverman said:
Only theorymoning here:

Hoopa-Unbound with Mold Breaker (for Sturdinja) or Adaptability (or Simple) for more power.
-Stored Power
-Hyperspace Fury
-Shell Smash
-King's Shield

This of course if hacked in-game mechanics do not allow any Imposter to replicate Hyperspace Fury.
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This is almost the exact set I use apart from KS > Sleep Talk.
As an end game sweeper, hoopa-unbound is insane. If foe has ran out of priority users, it's gona give them hard time.
It definatly needs to be atleast C-rank.
 
CactusCacti said:
This is almost the exact set I use apart from KS > Sleep Talk.
As an end game sweeper, hoopa-unbound is insane. If foe has ran out of priority users, it's gona give them hard time.
It definatly needs to be atleast C-rank.
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Since it is likely to Clause Vote resulting in 1 -ate user per team this will be easier to happen.
 
Uselesscrab said:
Can we please do something about this thread? It's dying and I feel like it's a really valuable resource that needs to stay current.
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Sorry about that guys. With Heisenberg gone, most of us are too busy to pick up the reigns fully. However, it's still not out-dated per se, the primals (particularly groudon) and mRay are still as dangerous as ever.
 
Nominating Regirock for C Rank

I was kinda surprised to see him not being here. Regirock's main use is walling Mega Ray, but he has a few decent matchups against other Pokemon. I believe the typical set is Av Regen and his great physical bulk coupled with the Assault Vest lets him tank some hits. However Regirock has a few notable flaws, Its 100 Attack isn't impressive by BH standards at all, and its typing leaves it open to Fighting, Ground, and Water coverage which are all fairly common. Overall its a useful pokemon but has some limiting flaws.
 
I'm hoping to revive this with some discussion.

Nominations:

First of all, Regirock has become one of the most obnoxious, and most commonly used, walls in high-ladder BH (thanks Flint). For that reason I suggest it be moved to B Rank (or C if that's too high).

Hoopa-Unbound is still unlisted for some reason. It deserves a spot in C Rank.

B Rank needs to be clarified to include both Latios-Mega and Latias-Mega. Right now only the former is listed.

Mega Steelix is unlisted and should be placed in C Rank.

Heatran and Ferrothorn's defensive typings mean that they should be moved from D Rank to C Rank, in my opinion.

More radical suggestions:

If we're thinking of expanding S Rank, not that we necessarily should, I would consider maybe adding Primal Groudon and Mega Rayquaza.

Also, we should add recommended abilities for each Pokemon. I'd be very willing to help, or even compile a list on my own if no one else is willing to do so.

I think the ratings should probably be removed. They've served as little more than a source of confusion so far, and no one is really educated enough about them to make suggestions for rating changes.
 
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I am currently in the process of making a new thread, I have it drafted up and everything and Eevee has already approved it, I'll post it when I return from vacation.

For now, you may continue discussion in this thread. We will consider comments on ranking changes, but don't expect too much major changes until after the new thread is posted.

As for the new thread, we switched back to the more traditional ranking system. Seems like the points system caused more confusion than help and people didn't like it anyways. Sub tiers have also been added, and there have been a few rank movements.

More details when the thread is actually posted! :)
 
Anything whose rank suffered from merely -ate weakness or frail enough to be vulnerable to high-powered priority could definitely use another look now. I mean, the weakness still sucks, but the limit one-per-team makes them much more usable now with proper support.
 
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