OU Banning Policy Issues

[FoxWIrisesofBlue]

Okay so... seeing how tiering policies work and being in the discord (name is s1ren_kitsune there), something I've noticed about how the policies of DPP vs other generations go is weird in my eyes that's how bans are done. For example, in SV, Last Respects was seen as problematic but since only 1 Pokémon learned the move, Houndstone, they banned it but left the possibility to unbanning it and banning Last Respects if another mon ever learned it and one did, Basculegion. Even banning only Last Respects from its toolkit, it would be too much still, so they banned the move and banned Basculegion to Ubers, letting Houndstone come back to OU, where it was fine. Now compare this to DPP, where they don't even ban 1 move (like DPunch was agreed to be the problem with Machamp), they just ban the Pokémon outright. This feels concerning to me because Jirachi is agreed to be the glue that holds DPP OU together but it's Paraflinching sets are too much. Here, it would be obvious to just ban Jirachi from using flinching moves. It still holds the metagame together and players can even feel free to actually experiment with its other moves, like drain punch sets and such. I feel like the policy "ban the mons, never the toolkits" is very contradictory considering Latias was allowed back but had to have its own item banned in order to do it. If it's just one or 2 moves that make the Pokémon too much and not the whole thing, just ban it from using said move, like Jirachi using flinching moves. You could also ban certain things like allow Jirachi to run flinching moves but not Paralyzing moves or vice versa.
But these are my thoughts on the matter, idk what all of you guys thoughts are on it.

 

[Eeveeto]

Jirachi holds the Tier together and without it being able to use Iron Head, this metagame would be unplayable and incredibly unfun. There is enough counterplay to the flinches, Steel is a terrible offensive typing. Complex Ban in this scenario is not necessary at all.

 

[FoxWIrisesofBlue]

Jirachi holds the Tier together and without it being able to use Iron Head, this metagame would be unplayable and incredibly unfun. There is enough counterplay to the flinches, Steel is a terrible offensive typing. Complex Ban in this scenario is not necessary at all.

Paraflinching is the cause of too many frustrations and whatnot though. Too much hax for one Pokémon and not being able to move is what turns people to the lower tiers of DPP instead of OU. You could still allow it to run Iron Head, but it not running TWave or Body Slam could lead to people doing interesting team building or more interesting Jirachi sets

 

[Eeveeto]

I don,t like DPP OU at all, but Jirachi being dominant is one of the redeeming qualities of the Tier.

The RNG thing I don,t actually like at all is Breloom existing. At this point this isn,t even a controversial take, given that Sleep has been banned in multiple gens. Other Sleep Mons are more or less fine, but Breloom happens to have an insane offensive potential + a passive healing ability, no other Mon has both. 90% of its checks are pursuited by Tar in one way or another (either Tar or Rotom would be the second thing I would Ban, but for an entirely different reason).

Therefore, if there is only one thing that in my opinion should be banned in DPP, its either Breloom or Sleep as a whole. I prefer just Breloom, given that I like experimenting with things like Roserade, Smeargle or Jynx, but would accept them nerfed too if it means nerfing Loom. Unlike Jirachi not being able to use flinch moves, this is not a complex Ban.

In any case, I don,t know if this thread will be allowed to exist much longer, we might be prevented from discussing this very soon...

 

[16bit]

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